1000 trees chopped down to make women feel safe at night

paddy147 · 21-09-2013 11:49PM #1

Thats the reason/excuse that Fingal County Council have come up with to justify chopping down 1000 trees around housing estates in North County Dublin.

http://www.herald.ie/news/fury-as-1000-trees-given-council-chop-29595531.html

"Fingal County Council has insisted the trees must be destroyed because they block street lights, making women anxious as they walk at night".

^^^^^^^^^
So do you believe Fingal CCs reason......or do you think its just another way of cost cutting and not looking after/maintaining the roadsides and estates??

Does anyone here live in any of the areas affected?

If so then whats its like there now with no trees?

Thanks.:)

PS-Pic of story in tonights Herald and pic of trees chopped down.

NuckingFacker · 21-09-2013 11:51PM

In other news, Fingal CC now can offer bags of firewood at greatly reduced prices, first come, first served.. €4 a bag...

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 21-09-2013 11:52PM

Would you believe me if I told ya there's a place in India called Cumbum???

paddy147 · 21-09-2013 11:53PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

In other news, Fingal CC now can offer bags of firewood at greatly reduced prices, first come, first served.. €4 a bag...

They actually chop it up and shred it for mulch for the various public parks.

Friend of ours works for the CC in the parks division and in Ardgillan Castle and its grounds

uch · 21-09-2013 11:54PM

Don't see how cost cutting can come into it

21-09-2013 11:54PM

Sounds to me like they wanted to reduce their tree trimming budget in the future!
No trees = no trimming = money saved!

paddy147 · 21-09-2013 11:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds to me like they wanted to reduce their tree trimming budget in the future!
No trees = no trimming = money saved!

And in the future (with the way things are going) we will possibly have fake trees and plants like in the kids film...The Lorax.

KyussBishop · 21-09-2013 11:57PM

"I contacted the council and they said the tree policy had been on display for months in the council buildings.

"But people don't just walk into the buildings to look at council policy," he said.
http://www.herald.ie/news/fury-as-1000-trees-given-council-chop-29595531.html

Reminds me of HHG2G, when the local council are about to knock down Arthur Dent's house:

"But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."

"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."

"But the plans were on display ..."

"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."

"That's the display department."

"With a flashlight."

"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."

"So had the stairs."

"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'."

allthedoyles · 21-09-2013 11:58PM

Its so easy for Fingal to give themselves planning permission to cut down trees .

Yet if I want to cut down a tree , I will be refused .

Fox_In_Socks · 21-09-2013 11:58PM

I like trees, especially those that are planted to add a bit of character to an area instead of the usual lego-land bare grey concrete wasteland that you see round some parts of cities and towns.

Rho b · 21-09-2013 11:59PM

They can hardly be classified as "mature" trees. From memory St. Andrews was built about 15 years ago. The trees are probably 12 years old at the most.

NuckingFacker · 22-09-2013 12:00AM

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its so easy for Fingal to give themselves planning permission to cut down trees .

Yet if I want to cut down a tree , I will be refused .

It's to protect their firewood business, they don't want competition. Understandable..

woodoo · 22-09-2013 12:01AM

This country needs much much much more trees. Trees really add character to towns and to the countryside.

22-09-2013 12:02AM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

It's to protect their firewood business, they don't want competition. Understandable..

I planted about 4000 willow a couple of years ago, I'll start coppicing it next year.

Toasty!

Boombastic · 22-09-2013 12:02AM

The 'Forest of Fingal' 2011 -2016 Action plan doesn't mention womens safety

woodoo · 22-09-2013 12:06AM

Boombastic wrote: »

The 'Forest of Fingal' 2011 -2016 Action plan doesn't mention womens safety

A couple of complaints and they cut down 1000 trees. Its outrageous. I wonder for every tree that they cut down within 5 meters of street lights did they plant more trees to replace them elsewhere. Who the hell makes these decisions.

loyatemu · 22-09-2013 12:06AM

in the estate where I used to live several of the streetlights were literally inside trees, due to poorly thought-out planting when the estate was built. There's not much point having streetlights that don't light the streets - half the roadsigns in this country are also obscured by foliage.

I doubt we're talking about mighty oaks that have stood for hundreds of years, most of the trees in question are probably fairly small.

woodoo · 22-09-2013 12:08AM

loyatemu wrote: »

I doubt we're talking about mighty oaks that have stood for hundreds of years, most of the trees in question are probably fairly small.

Housing estates in this country look gloomy enough without taking away the few trees that are there.

Boombastic · 22-09-2013 12:11AM

woodoo wrote: »

A couple of complaints and they cut down 1000 trees. Its outrageous. I wonder for every tree that they cut down within 5 meters of street lights did they plant more trees to replace them elsewhere. Who the hell makes these decisions.

This has been going on since 2008/2009. Staff who directly and indirectly work with trees have been trained and their mission is to increase the total number of trees

Seems they haven't quite got the hang of it yet, perhaps more training in 'international best practice' is needed.

crockholm · 22-09-2013 12:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I planted about 4000 willow a couple of years ago, I'll start coppicing it next year.

Toasty!

Good on you,sir!!

Ireland badly needs to start planting more native trees (and beech too)

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 12:13AM

"However, the council has defended the decision and said its tree strategy has been in place since 2010.
It said all trees within five metres of a street light would be removed over the next five years, based on international best practice."

"We had received a complaint on behalf of a couple of young women residents who work shift patterns and return to the estate very late at night and felt unsafe because the estate was so dark,"

So all because of a "supposed complaint" from "a few frightened women on shift work" walking along the housing estate streets at night??

What the fcuk like??:eek::rolleyes:

If thats the case,then we may aswell just chop down every tree in every residential area in Dublin.

Ah sure fcuk it......lets rid Ireland of trees alltogether.

So say goodbye to all the trees folks.

22-09-2013 12:15AM

loyatemu wrote: »

in the estate where I used to live several of the streetlights were literally inside trees, due to poorly thought-out planting when the estate was built. There's not much point having streetlights that don't light the streets - half the roadsigns in this country are also obscured by foliage.

I doubt we're talking about mighty oaks that have stood for hundreds of years, most of the trees in question are probably fairly small.

That's the crux of the matter, badly positioned trees as opposed to existing ones being overgrown. Most planners just stick in a few trees just to "tick the 'green' box" without any thought to how they'll grow with respect to the infrastructure surrounding them.

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 12:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the crux of the matter, badly positioned trees as opposed to existing ones being overgrown. Most planners just stick in a few trees just to "tick the 'green' box" without any thought to how they'll grow with respect to the infrastructure surrounding them.

Wait till the small-ish "chesnut trees" growing so close to the apartment blocks in Northwood (1 meter from wall) grow up to be uns...:pac:

I dont buy Fingal CCs excuse for 1 second.......me hole they cut down 1000 trees just to please a few shift work women.International Best Practice me hole.:rolleyes:

redtapestyl · 22-09-2013 12:18AM

Poor trees

22-09-2013 12:23AM

redtapestyl wrote: »

Poor trees

Don't worry, they woodn't feel a thing.

paddy147 · 22-09-2013 12:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't worry, they woodn't feel a thing.

Ah here,leaf it out.

NuckingFacker · 22-09-2013 12:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't worry, they woodn't feel a thing.

They feckin wood.

22-09-2013 12:35AM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

They feckin wood.

They'll get wood aright! :pac:

22-09-2013 12:40AM

Has the council planted new trees in better locations as replacements? If not, it's time to elect the toilet paper toddler onto the CC.

Soft, soft, soft.

returnNull · 22-09-2013 12:47AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Would you believe me if I told ya there's a place in India called Cumbum???

is that where it first happened to you?

22-09-2013 12:53AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Has the council planted new trees in better locations as replacements? If not, it's time to elect the toilet paper toddler onto the CC.

Soft, soft, soft.

Yes http://frozendesigns.co.uk/fdv8/photos/2012/12/100_2585-Edit-ps.jpg

1000 trees chopped down to make women feel safe at night

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