Do girls think its ok to kick boys in the nuts?

tritium · 21-09-2013 10:02AM

wexie wrote: »

You don't read and understand well do you?

All I'm saying is that I think there are situations where a kick in the balls can easily be justified.

Hmm you hear a story that someone got kicked in the balls and your first reaction is what did he do to deserve it.

I think I read and understand pretty well thanks

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 10:06AM

tritium wrote: »

Bullsh1t! A massively disporportionate response by the child. There is a very real possibility the little boy could have suffered serious injury.

There's not really. Children don't have the same strength as adults, so a punch from a child isn't going to do any lasting damage.

I also fail to see how the girls response was massively disproportionate when she was being humiliated for the boys amusement. He waved his crotch in her face, she punched him in the nuts. He got exactly what he deserved.

While the boy should have received some punishment from the supervisors if he had done this (and we only have the word of what appears to a slightly militant blogger on this), what the girl learned from her mum us that assault is OK once the other party is male. I assume mum would have been just as proud if her daughter had jammed a pencil I'm his eye

I've already said the mother is an idiot, but I don't think what she's saying is assault is ok once the other party is male. If you read the article, you'll see the mother says that she didn't say that to her daughter, she thought it to herself-

Tonight I look at my privates-punching daughter, and I think, "Don't change. Don't ever EVER change. Punch that guy in the dick for all it's worth, sweetie."

Aside from the insipid and ridiculous sentiment, she's not saying anything to her daughter, she's also not saying punch every guy in the dick. The daughter will grow up with a mind of her own and it's hysterical to assume she'll go around punching every guy in the nuts who ever comes near her.

It's even more hysterical to assume anything about jamming pencils in eyes because that just didn't happen. Lets try and keep the discussion somewhat within the bounds of reality here without introducing some ridiculous "but but, what if this? what if that?" scenarios.

King Hearts · 21-09-2013 10:14AM

wexie wrote: »

Of course it's relevant, are you saying that a girl that's being assaulted wouldn't be justified kicking someone in the nuts?

Just to clarify (again) I don't think what happened in the article was sexual assault, nor did it justify a punch in the balls.

Very poor behaviour on both accounts but without a clarification of the ages involved it's hard to know whether or not this constitutes sexual assault. All I see in the article is references to playschool which to me indicates young kids. I don't know where the ten years old came from, I certainly don't see it in the article and quite frankly I don't really want to go trawling through more of this women's blog to find out.

All I see in this article is a little boy that needs to be taught it's not acceptable behaviour to wave your crotch in someones face and a girl that needs to be taught that punching someone in the balls can have very severe consequences. Unfortunately it would seem that the mother is not the one to teach her.

It's not relevant, it's quite obviously perfectly fine to kick your rapist in the balls. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

It's not fine to assault someone who hasn't assaulted you first or where it's not in self defense.

tritium · 21-09-2013 10:24AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

There's not really. Children don't have the same strength as adults, so a punch from a child isn't going to do any lasting damage.

If I had a penny for every time the law of unintended consequences came into play during an assault......

I also fail to see how the girls response was massively disproportionate when she was being humiliated for the boys amusement. He waved his crotch in her face, she punched him in the nuts. He got exactly what he deserved.

Excessive use of violence in response to no actual threat- if you disagree then I'll have to assume youre of the mindset that holds its OK to smack someone in the head for looking sideways at you - its not btw

I've already said the mother is an idiot,

this we agree on

but I don't think what she's saying is assault is ok once the other party is male. If you read the article, you'll see the mother says that she didn't say that to her daughter, she thought it to herself-

And did the my little girl is great " thing instead of applying discipline

Aside from the insipid and ridiculous sentiment, she's not saying anything to her daughter, she's also not saying punch every guy in the dick. The daughter will grow up with a mind of her own and it's hysterical to assume she'll go around punching every guy in the nuts who ever comes near her.

Not if she doesn't ever face consequence for doing it

It's even more hysterical to assume anything about jamming pencils in eyes because that just didn't happen. Lets try and keep the discussion somewhat within the bounds of reality here without introducing some ridiculous "but but, what if this? what if that?" scenarios.

Mother is ok with gender based violence once the attacker is female and meets her criteria. I don't feel its unreasonable to question how far she's willing to push that

rubadub · 21-09-2013 10:33AM

wexie wrote: »

I will teach both of my daughters (when the time comes)that a swift kick in the goolies can get them out of trouble quickly.

They'll also be taught that it's a very serious thing to do and should be used sparingly but nonetheless I think it's a valid part of a girls self defense arsenal.

Interesting, how do you teach your daughter to attack other girls to "get out of trouble"? Poke in the eyes perhaps? bite their ears or nose?

Do you have any boys? If not, if you did how you would teach them to attack girls, or boys in self defence? would there be any difference to the advice you give to the girls?

What other techniques do you daughters have in their arsenal?

Duckworth_Luas · 21-09-2013 10:55AM

Has anybody asked Mr Wiener for his side of the story?

Busted Flat. · 21-09-2013 11:01AM

Do girls think its ok to kick boys in the nuts?

Eve kicked the ball off, and they are doing it ever since.

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 11:20AM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Actually, I said the girl wasn't really to blame either. I think they both should have been told off a little, but likening it to assualt or be assualted is ridiculous. The last bit was aimed at a potential scenario.

Yep, they both absolutely should've been disciplined, but we only have the supermom's side of the story here (it's interesting because in another blog entry she advocates that shouting at someone is abuse, yet she thinks it's perfectly ok to be proud of her "privates punching daughter"),

Likening a child punching another child in the nuts as sexual assault is also just as ridiculous. If we were to go down that road, what the boy did was sexual harassment.

There's a good chance he did. Children don't really have boundaries and don't conceive such thoughts as "That's a little homo/hetero."

Ahh come on, I know what you mean in that they don't understand concepts like homo/hetero, but if he was able to verbalise "say hello to Mr. Wiener" while waving his crotch in a girls face, there's a fairly good chance there's a bit of "monkey see, monkey do" going on there, he got the idea from somewhere! (I'm thinking something like "Say hello to my little friend", could be wrong though).

I find this rather worrying. If a girl was showing off by following and hugging a boy, is that young man's appropriate response to punch her in the genital?

Another made up set scenario, but there's a hell of a difference between a child hugging another child, and a child waving his crotch in another child's face. If we're specifically going to reverse the genders and say is it ok for a guy to punch a girl waving her crotch in his face, then no, of course that's not ok either.

Call it a double standard, sexist, etc, but the threat just isn't on the same level at all at all.

Howard Juneau · 21-09-2013 11:25AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yep, they both absolutely should've been disciplined, but we only have the supermom's side of the story here (it's interesting because in another blog entry she advocates that shouting at someone is abuse, yet she thinks it's perfectly ok to be proud of her "privates punching daughter"),

Likening a child punching another child in the nuts as sexual assault is also just as ridiculous. If we were to go down that road, what the boy did was sexual harassment.

Ahh come on, I know what you mean in that they don't understand concepts like homo/hetero, but if he was able to verbalise "say hello to Mr. Wiener" while waving his crotch in a girls face, there's a fairly good chance there's a bit of "monkey see, monkey do" going on there, he got the idea from somewhere! (I'm thinking something like "Say hello to my little friend", could be wrong though).

Another made up set scenario, but there's a hell of a difference between a child hugging another child, and a child waving his crotch in another child's face. If we're specifically going to reverse the genders and say is it ok for a guy to punch a girl waving her crotch in his face, then no, of course that's not ok either.

Call it a double standard, sexist, etc, but the threat just isn't on the same level at all at all.

Threat?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qf6Sv3A9zs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5Qf6Sv3A9zs

GalwayGuy2 · 21-09-2013 11:30AM

Call it a double standard, sexist, etc, but the threat just isn't on the same level at all at all.

I'm not going to call you sexist. I actually think that's a fairly common mindset.

Thanks for the honesty.

tritium · 21-09-2013 11:35AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Call it a double standard, sexist, etc, but the threat just isn't on the same level at all

Level of threat? They're under ten! Who's being sensational now?

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 11:57AM

tritium wrote: »

If I had a penny for every time the law of unintended consequences came into play during an assault.

Indeed, the unintended consequences of the boys actions were that he ended up getting punched in the nuts. I would hope it teaches him to have respect for girls in the future. I certainly can't imagine he'll be scarred for life for getting a punch in the nuts as a child. If you're going to say the girl will grow up thinking it's ok to punch guys in the nuts, then by your own extrapolation, it'll be ok for the boy to say he has no respect for women because one punched him in the nuts as a child.

Excessive use of violence in response to no actual threat- if you disagree then I'll have to assume youre of the mindset that holds its OK to smack someone in the head for looking sideways at you - its not btw

You're quite fond of extrapolating assumptions out of nothing, playing up one side of the argument while playing down the other. "Excessive use of violence in response to no actual threat", it was a swift punch in the nuts for a child waving his crotch in her face. She didn't stab him in the eye with any pencils or beat seven shades out of him. She felt that she was being threatened, she felt that he was attempting to humiliate her. She knew it was wrong. Her response was proportionate to the boys actions in the circumstances as they have been presented.

And did the my little girl is great " thing instead of applying discipline

She's an idiot looking for validation on the internet, I wouldn't expect much more from her tbh. Sure look in this forum alone there's a thread where the OP received plenty of validation for his actions in "splitting open" another guy -

Mugging gone wrong!

"Look at me being a hero on the internet" is all I can see there tbh.

Not if she doesn't ever face consequence for doing it

The very same thing could be said of the boy who would never have realised that HIS actions can have as you put it unintended consequences too. At least now he'll think twice before he does it again.

Mother is ok with gender based violence once the attacker is female and meets her criteria. I don't feel its unreasonable to question how far she's willing to push that

I think it's wholly unreasonable to question it seeing as there are potentially limitless answers to limitless possible scenarios and you could very easily end up saying things like "but what if the boy had tried to have anal sex with her while dressed in a gimp suit?", "ohh well in that case I'd run the little fcuker over with an army tank"...

Like I suggested earlier, lets try and keep the discussion somewhat within the bounds of reality.

Daveysil15 · 21-09-2013 12:00PM

Clandestine wrote: »

It is modern feminism. Modern feminism is a cult, it is a cult rooted in suppression of differing opinions and it is growing into the mainstream (no f***ing joke)

-If you are not a feminist you must "hate women"
-If you don't see an issue with trans people you "support gender roles and the patriarchy"
-but, if you don't say "women have vaginas and men have penises" you are called a "bigot" by a different group of feminists and hounded (PAX got into hassle for this)
-If you denounce incorrect claims (gender pay gap for example) you support the "patriarchy"

the list goes on. Feminism is a cancer and should not be tolerated. Men have problems, women have problems. Focusing on the problems of one gender will not solve anything

Can modern day feminism really be that neatly categorized though? What is it to be a modern day feminist and who decides? Feminism has multiple facets. I doubt all feminists purport that anyone who is not a feminist hates women.

constance tench · 21-09-2013 12:04PM

Clandestine wrote: »

It is modern feminism. Modern feminism is a cult, it is a cult rooted in suppression of differing opinions and it is growing into the mainstream (no f***ing joke)

-If you are not a feminist you must "hate women"
-If you don't see an issue with trans people you "support gender roles and the patriarchy"
-but, if you don't say "women have vaginas and men have penises" you are called a "bigot" by a different group of feminists and hounded (PAX got into hassle for this)
-If you denounce incorrect claims (gender pay gap for example) you support the "patriarchy"

the list goes on. Feminism is a cancer and should not be tolerated. Men have problems, women have problems. Focusing on the problems of one gender will not solve anything

Particularly nasty group here... 'ROKS' supported by Eva Lundgren... appointed chair of sociology at Uppsala University.Sweden 1993–2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMK21PY7wc

WallyGUFC · 21-09-2013 12:06PM

Gandhi wrote: »

Some guys at lunch were saying they saw a fight at a bar last night where a woman kicked a guy in the balls so he promptly punched her in the head. I was thinking for a second that ClaireFontaine must have been in the same bar.

Could see myself doing the exact same tbh. A scummy thing to do to any man.

21-09-2013 12:10PM

Am I allowed to open up a shop that sells cards saying nothing but, "Women are stupid", "it's OK, she's a woman, it doesn't matter"? I was in a woman's clothes shop with my girlfriend recently when I saw a rack of cards that pretty much said all of that about men.

Howard Juneau · 21-09-2013 12:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I allowed to open up a shop that sells cards saying nothing but, "Women are stupid", "it's OK, she's a woman, it doesn't matter"? I was in a woman's clothes shop with my girlfriend recently when I saw a rack of cards that pretty much said all of that about men.

If you do, I'll buy a few of them for my mother in law's upcoming b'day

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 12:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I allowed to open up a shop that sells cards saying nothing but, "Women are stupid", "it's OK, she's a woman, it doesn't matter"? I was in a woman's clothes shop with my girlfriend recently when I saw a rack of cards that pretty much said all of that about men.

By all means, but you'll tend to find those sort of shìte sentiments don't sell very well. I wouldn't put my house on it if I were you.

(That has nothing to do with the story here btw)

Owen_S · 21-09-2013 12:22PM

Opie dug up a story from 3 years ago to rustle jimmies and it's certainly working!

up for anything · 21-09-2013 12:23PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

So, and this question is open to anyone who feels this action is justified, if your son were sitting at a desk and some girl came over and wiggled her tits. Wthout touching and fully clothed iin his face you'd be proud of him if he punched or hurt her tits? Or at minimum think it was an appropriate reaction?

That's a fairly improbable scenario to me as never in my life have I ever seen a girl, barring strippers, who would do or did something like that. Young girls of that age tend to regard boys much the same way that boys of that age do girls, as anathema - basing this on the assumption that the children involved in the bloggers story were aged ten. I realise that things have changed and these days teenage girls tend to get so drunk that they possibly would do things like but that's a different discussion, but kids are still kids. However, I have seen little and young boys react to being hugged or touched by a girl and the reaction is usually a punch or a shove which would end up the the girl on the floor and of course it goes the other way. As I said the girl in this story reacted instinctively and her punch delivered to his testicles as they were what were being thrust towards her and what her arm was on a level with.

If a girl that age was to display the same type of behaviour as the boy in that story did, I would be telling her parents to stop her from watching so much MTV or wondering whether the girl being brought up in a safe environment. The same with a boy doing that.

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I find this rather worrying. If a girl was showing off by following and hugging a boy, is that young man's appropriate response to punch her in the genital?

As I said above the young man's response would probably be a punch or a shove. Where it reached on her body would be in relation to their heights and the position of the hug. If he was on the floor and she reached down to hug him the punch could well land in her pubic area.

strobe wrote: »

You're just giving them false security that they have some special defense mechanism... which more than likely won't have the desired effect.

Which is why in self-defence classes they teach how to knee in the balls. It is a special defense mechanism which usually has the desired effect.

tritium wrote: »

Bullsh1t! A massively disporportionate response by the child. There is a very real possibility the little boy could have suffered serious injury. While the boy should have received some punishment from the supervisors if he had done this (and we only have the word of what appears to a slightly militant blogger on this), what the girl learned from her mum us that assault is OK once the other party is male. I assume mum would have been just as proud if her daughter had jammed a pencil I'm his eye

Seriously? Massively disproportionate response? You're so cross with the slightly militant mother that you're letting it spill over into your attitude about what her daughter did. It is the blog story we are discussing and there's not much point in assuming that the mother is lying about what happened. What would it gain her to lie about it? If she felt her daughter was at fault would she have bothered writing it up?

There are two issues here - what happened with the children in the blog story and a wider issue of whether it is right for females to be violent towards males and males towards females.

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 12:33PM

tritium wrote: »

Level of threat? They're under ten! Who's being sensational now?

So what if they're under ten? I can remember back in primary school there was one child who at lunch time in front of the whole school yard, dropped his trousers and proceeded to mimic playing a rock guitarist by stretching his penis and strumming on it. The reactions of the other students were anything from aghast horror, to considerable mirth.

It's about perception really, you particularly don't see a child waving his crotch in another child's face while proclaiming "Say hello to Mr. Wiener" as threatening or intimidating behaviour, but you see a child giving him a swift punch in the nuts as excessive violence. Either one of us could be called sensationalist tbh.

I also remember I was at a party a couple of years back, a child's birthday party as it happens, on invitation of the child's parents. I was standing there minding my own business when behind me I heard someone say "Out of my way, gay boy!". I turned round and had to look down to see a 7 year old girl was the person who had been so foul mouthed, so I responded in kind, calmly telling her "Go fcuk yourself".

She immediately turned from bratty little bitch into sweet and innocent 7 year old again as she ran off crying to mummy and doddy. I figured if she were able to use language like "Out of my way, gay boy!", she'd be able to handle being told to go fcuk herself.

Of course the right thing to have done would've been to tell her parents, but given that the parents were a pair of foul mouths themselves, it wouldn't have been very effective.

Carlos Orange · 21-09-2013 12:36PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I also fail to see how the girls response was massively disproportionate when she was being humiliated for the boys amusement. He waved his crotch in her face, she punched him in the nuts. He got exactly what he deserved.

If a woman humiliates me today should I punch her?

up for anything · 21-09-2013 12:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I allowed to open up a shop that sells cards saying nothing but, "Women are stupid", "it's OK, she's a woman, it doesn't matter"? I was in a woman's clothes shop with my girlfriend recently when I saw a rack of cards that pretty much said all of that about men.

I'm surprised that you also didn't see the huge amount of cards out there with images, both real and caricatured, of big haired, big busted, tiny waisted and big assed women wanting nothing more than to dive onto the birthday boy. Naturally they wouldn't be in a women's clothes shop but they are in pretty much every other kind of outlet that sells greeting cards and they've been there for many more years than the type you write about. As for the postcards that were around when I grew up - if they weren't of the local sights they usually pictured the same kind of women being spied on by men on the beach or they showed older fat women as laughing stock.

Two rights don't make a wrong but there usually is a backlash to things and hopefully eventually equality either of respect or derision.

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 12:55PM

psinno wrote: »

If a woman humiliates me today should I punch her?

You don't sound like you give a shìte for my opinion either way so I'm just going to say yes, yes you should punch her, and punch her hard, and if she doesn't go down the first time, well, try as another poster suggested- one, two to the babymaker with a left hook to the head, and then, right, when she's down, the old sucker punch or two wouldn't go amiss, just to split her open like, yknow, wouldn't want anyone to think you went easy on her, your actions have to be appropriate like.

Then come on Boards and boast about it and you'll get all the validation you need that you did the right thing.

Bananatop · 21-09-2013 01:03PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I also remember I was at a party a couple of years back, a child's birthday party as it happens, on invitation of the child's parents. I was standing there minding my own business when behind me I heard someone say "Out of my way, gay boy!". I turned round and had to look down to see a 7 year old girl was the person who had been so foul mouthed, so I responded in kind, calmly telling her "Go fcuk yourself".

LOL!

Some children do need a reality check from time to time, but I'd say most of the time kids don't even know the meaning of what they're saying!

Carlos Orange · 21-09-2013 01:04PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I'm just going to say yes, yes you should punch her

At least you are consistent,no double standards here.

Irish Guitarist · 21-09-2013 01:13PM

Anyone who accuses a child who shakes his hips and refers to "Mr Wiener" of 'sexual harassment' is a moron. She should teach her child not to immediately resort to unnecessary violence at the first sign of confrontation.

chopper6 · 21-09-2013 01:16PM

I like when girls kick me in the nuts...I prefer when they sit in my face though.

rubadub · 21-09-2013 01:16PM

psinno wrote: »

If a woman humiliates me today should I punch her?

Some people have this puzzling rule of "you should never hit a woman", when questioned further it often turns out the rule they really mean is actually "you should never hit somebody weaker than you". So these people are being prejudiced/sexist in their presumption that women will be weaker than men.

A few months of weight training and you can increase your strength very significantly, as weight training for women is more popular these days there must a lot of women out there these days who are stronger than the average untrained male. So it seems weird that people still stick to this sexist notion, and why they do not say the rule they really mean.

The rule is very strange, as it is usually stated after a weak person hits a stronger person. Why did they hit them? on the presumption the victim will also follow this ridiculous rule and will not retaliate? Do unto others and all that.

How do you determine if the person is stronger that you, and therefore fair game for a beating, do they have an armwrestle or something? Do they take weapons into account, is it just a stronger person or one with the greater advantage at that time which you must not hit. If the hammer drops do you have to stop. If the weak woman/man hits you is it acceptable to put one hand behind your back to be on a level pegging, and then start a fair fight back? Can you hand the weak person a big stick and then beat the crap out of them.

Czarcasm · 21-09-2013 01:17PM

psinno wrote: »

At least you are consistent,no double standards here.

I'm also consistent in that the best way to answer a silly question is with an equally silly answer.

Do girls think its ok to kick boys in the nuts?

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