Do most people not care that some humans are making whole species extinct?

lahalane · 20-09-2013 10:48PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

The stupidity of this post gave me brain cancer

It was meant to be stupid...it was never meant to give you cancer

Apologies.

20-09-2013 10:50PM

Thatdoesnt looksafe tome AHHHHHHH wrote: »

People care but the average joe and mary cant do anything when the endangered animals are on another continent and are being poached, mutilated etc,

This isnt true at all. If most people were as empathetic towards other living creatures as they are people, there would be huge international pressure on those countries without sufficient programs and policies in place to preserve the endangered species. The average joe doesnt care.

bizmark · 20-09-2013 10:51PM

19543261 wrote: »

Oh yes, good point, let's wipe every single animal off the face of the planet.

After all, unless they grow bulletproof skin or dont devlope guns sticking out of their forehead, they deserve to be lost to our greed and unnecessary slaughter!

Nice over the top reaction there champ

I wouldn't support or allow killing any animal for no reason which includes witch doctory nonsense or to provide for materials we have alternatives to however when it comes down to survival then they lose thats nature

_Redzer_ · 20-09-2013 10:54PM

bizmark wrote: »

Nice over the top reaction there champ

As i said i wouldn't support or allow killing any animal for no reason which includes witch doctory nonsense or to provide for materials we have alternatives to however when it comes down to survival then they lose thats nature

What happens when there's more humans than the planet can support and ecosystems collapse because we killed everything for ourselves, who loses then?

We are not above anything, that mentality will kill our species in the end, everything must be regulated, us and our behaviour included.

bizmark · 20-09-2013 10:59PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

What happens when there's more humans than the planet can support and ecosystems collapse because we killed everything for ourselves, who loses then?

We are not above anything, that mentality will kill our species in the end, everything must be regulated, us and our behaviour included.

Regulate yourself then get off the internet and stop using massive amounts of power to write out a few lines of text if you truly believe that .

Our species has survived doom mongers about over population and resource collapse since at the very lest the 1800s

Oh just fyi humans havent really relied on a natural egosystem for christ knows how long we have 7 billion people cause of our technology not the good earth apon which we are so mean to

shopaholic01 · 20-09-2013 11:01PM

lahalane wrote: »

I try not to care about things that I cannot change. The rhinos are going extinct because of evolution. If it's meant to be, then let it happen. We kill more cows and chickens than rhinos and they seem to survive. It's the rhinos own fault for not preparing for this. Lazy feckers.

They are bred for the meat and poultry industry, they don't have a superior evolutionary advantage that the rhinos are too stupid to copy.

_Redzer_ · 20-09-2013 11:06PM

bizmark wrote: »

Regulate yourself then get off the internet and stop using massive amounts of power to write out a few lines of text if you truly believe that .

Our species has survived doom mongers about over population and resource collapse since at the very lest the 1800s

How do you know where I get my energy? In my area it's wind energy that powers a fair amount of houses, not a massive amount, but at least it's a start.

Over population is a real growing problem not even comparable to the 1800s because we are far better at keep ourselves alive now, that's only going to continue at a faster rate.
Sticking your head in the sand thinking nothing is wrong and everything always will be is what causes nearly all our problems. Global warming being one on going example of that.

We can't just keep killing off species as we please. It'll only come back to bite us in the ass in the end.

20-09-2013 11:08PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there's a difference between natural extinction and extinction caused directly by humans and their activities. The former is inevitable, the latter is inexcusable.

You could probably argue that this form of extinction is as natural as any other really

Fr_Dougal · 20-09-2013 11:11PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

We can't just keep killing off species as we please. It'll only come back to bite us in the ass in the end.

How will they bite us if they're dead?

We should be more worried about the decline in bee population than rhinos going extinct.

lahalane · 20-09-2013 11:12PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

They are bred for the meat and poultry industry, they don't have a superior evolutionary advantage that the rhinos are too stupid to copy.

I was joking

I also don't think that rhino's being lazy is why they became extinct in case anyone feels the need to point that out.

woodoo · 20-09-2013 11:13PM

I find it quite depressing that such animals are becoming extinct due to a belief by the Chinese that ivory potions will help their virility etc.

20-09-2013 11:15PM

AdamD wrote: »

You could probably argue that this form of extinction is as natural as any other really

You could, but it would not be a very well thought out argument.

Ace Attorney · 20-09-2013 11:16PM

19543261 wrote: »

This isnt true at all. If most people were as empathetic towards other living creatures as they are people, there would be huge international pressure on those countries without sufficient programs and policies in place to preserve the endangered species. The average joe doesnt care.

I didnt say most people care or that the average everyday people walking the street care, I mean that the people that do care are on another continent away from the endangered species to do anything about it

bizmark · 20-09-2013 11:18PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

How do you know where I get my energy? In my area it's wind energy that powers a fair amount of houses, not a massive amount, but at least it's a start.

Over population is a real growing problem not even comparable to the 1800s because we are far better at keep ourselves alive now, that's only going to continue at a faster rate.
Sticking your head in the sand thinking nothing is wrong and everything always will be is what causes nearly all our problems. Global warming being one on going example of that.

We can't just keep killing off species as we please. It'll only come back to bite us in the ass in the end.

Yes but id say your wrong as Earths ablity to sustain us is inherently linked to our ability to build a society and advance apon it nearly every single famine or food shortage now and in the past was due to societal problems 7.2 billion people is not to much for earth even though in 1800 they thought 1 billion would be the tipping point and when it peaks out at 9-10b that wont be to much either once our technology continues to advance which it will most likely.

Is that the global warming that was going to have the artic ice free this year but got it spectacularly wrong and hasn't seen a rise in temperature since 1998 ? ...Daw people still blindly believe this stuff but thats a different discussion

20-09-2013 11:19PM

Thatdoesnt looksafe tome AHHHHHHH wrote: »

I didnt say most people care or that the average everyday people walking the street care, I mean that the people that do care are on another continent away from the endangered species to do anything about it

Fair enough!

Muise... · 20-09-2013 11:22PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

How will they bite us if they're dead?

We should be more worried about the decline in bee population than rhinos going extinct.

was you ever bit by a dead bee?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y

Vision of Disorder · 20-09-2013 11:26PM

bizmark wrote: »

proofs in the fact they are dead and we are not

Is that really your proof? Every murder victim deserved what they got too did they?

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Gotta nuke somethin'.

Well said Ms.Muntz!

_Redzer_ wrote: »

The stupidity of this post gave me brain cancer

I suppose that could be construed as you failing to adapt to our new world and making your own extinction inevitable!

SeaDaily · 20-09-2013 11:28PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Global warming being one on going example of that.

You need to get off the global warming bandwagon. We're all goin to be fine. Just relax.

bizmark · 20-09-2013 11:29PM

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

Is that really your proof? Every murder victim deserved what they got too did they?

Yup that is absolutely and clearly what i meant there and a completely fair comparison on your behalf

Vision of Disorder · 20-09-2013 11:33PM

bizmark wrote: »

Yup that is absolutely and clearly what i meant there and a completely fair comparison on your behalf

I figured.

_Redzer_ · 20-09-2013 11:34PM

bizmark wrote: »

Yes but id say your wrong as Earths ablity to sustain us is inherently linked to our ability to build a society and advance apon it nearly every single famine or food shortage now and in the past was due to societal problems 7.2 billion people is not to much for earth even though in 1800 they thought 1 billion would be the tipping point and when it peaks out at 9-10b that wont be to much either once our technology continues to advance which it will most likely.

Is that the global warming that was going to have the artic ice free this year but got it spectacularly wrong and hasn't seen a rise in temperature since 1998 ? ...Daw people still blindly believe this stuff but thats a different discussion

But look at the cost so far already. Deforestation, extinction all so we can survive. I don't doubt that we could get 50 billion people or far more on earth but that would mean turning it into a giant farm. Is that worth it though? I don't think so, I think a balance has to be struck at some point soon wiry good regulation to keep our planet going as smoothly as possible.

SeaDaily · 20-09-2013 11:38PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

But look at the cost so far already. Deforestation, extinction all so we can survive. I don't doubt that we could get 50 billion people or far more on earth but that would mean turning it into a giant farm. Is that worth it though? I don't think so, I think a balance has to be struck at some point soon wiry good regulation to keep our planet going as smoothly as possible.

Okay so, what do you suggest?

The Pheasant2 · 20-09-2013 11:38PM

The absolute arrogance of some people on this thread and the contempt they hold for the other inhabitants of our planet is despicable.

Oh and just FYI, Rhino horns are made of keratin (what your hair and fingernails are made of) not ivory

Gummy Panda · 20-09-2013 11:43PM

Never mind the rhinos. What about my forest get knocked down? :mad:

Wattle · 20-09-2013 11:47PM

We are above them. Have you ever seen a Rhino reading the news?

Vision of Disorder · 20-09-2013 11:49PM

Wattle wrote: »

We are above them. Have you ever seen a Rhino reading the news?

There's an Ann Doyle joke in there waiting to be made but I'm too tired to piece it together...

20-09-2013 11:49PM

Orangutans are almost extinct too

20-09-2013 11:52PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Stuff like this makes me cringe when I hear people say that humans are better than animals ect. How can we claim to be "above" other animals when this goes on. Sorry for the rant but this is really annoying. Why do people think they have the right to kill other intelligent creatures?

You seem quite sure of yourself.

Are you sure you're not contributing to the demise of these species yourself? Species go extinct for many reasons, and the responsibility for that falls on many more people than just the person with their finger on the trigger of a gun.

Why is it only intelligent life that's deemed important to you? You say you cringe when you hear people say that humans are better than animals, but you're committing a very similar ego-based mistake by judging the worth of a species by it's intelligence. What about plant, insect and micro-organism species? What is your definition of intelligence anyway?

_Redzer_ · 20-09-2013 11:54PM

SeaDaily wrote: »

Okay so, what do you suggest?

In an ideal world;

A huge push into GMOs to make products far more efficient so we can produce a huge amount of food and product in far smaller areas so we don't have to level ecosystems to make farms.

A massive, quick push into green energy and huge amounts of money put into nuclear fusion technology, which is basically near limitless renewable energy.

Sustainable resource management, like forests in Scandinavia where it is regulated and so is renewable for example.

Better education and prosperity leads to a lowering of population, that's seen here in the difference between Ireland now and 100 years ago. Apply that to emerging 3rd world economies.

By all means I'm not against our population growing, it just needs to become sustainable fast because it can't sustain us now without us turning the whole planet into a farm at the cost of every other animal. There's a good balance that can be struck. It's never going to happen with people not considering the future repercussions of our actions.

_Redzer_ · 20-09-2013 11:59PM

SeaDaily wrote: »

You need to get off the global warming bandwagon. We're all goin to be fine. Just relax.

Just like CFCs were fine until all of a sudden there was a massive problem, which is actually still happening even though we've stopped using them.

Burning green house gases on a massive scale and expecting everything to be fine is just short sighted. It's just going to be another case like the CFCs because people put everything off for future generations to worry about.

Do most people not care that some humans are making whole species extinct?

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