the way the esb sub contractors leave

valtra8150 · 14-05-2012 07:09PM #1

the esb sub contractors were in a lot of my land over the last 2 weeks and they left it in an awufl state after them branches down on top of wire, wire and stake knocked after me fencing and branches through in the drain after me getting it cleaned, did they do that to any of ye out there, i wouldnt mind if they left all the branches and stuff in a pile in the middle of the field or the cornor, its just that there all over the place

14-05-2012 07:36PM

I'am not a fan of that lot either.
in fairness they do put the branches in piles here.

personally i would prefer to bring a hedgecutter in at my own expense to keep the branches away from the esb lines that have them around the place... but maybe i'am just a grumpy git:eek::pac::pac::pac::pac:

johngalway · 14-05-2012 07:49PM

Had them a few years ago putting up poles. The places they worked were left very rough, knocked a few gaps in walls which I was assured would be lifted. In fairness someone had a go, except they left open the biggest holes they made and closed up small gaps that had always been there - God knows how they worked out a track machine went through those.

moy83 · 14-05-2012 08:24PM

We are just after clearing about 200m of branches that they threw down on top of the fence along a main road . We had to tighten up the wire all along where it was loosened . They are a shower of lazy pr1cks sitting in the van for half the day looking out the window at the digger driver instead af getting off their arses and having abit of pride in the place they leave after them .
Dad was saying in the early eighties when they were clearing under the lines they piled up all the tops and cut the heavier stuff into lengths for him , not only that but they went down along the boundary and tidied that aswell even though there were no lines over it .So it seems worse their work ethic got as their wages were increased

pakalasa · 14-05-2012 08:56PM

They were down with us a while back. They cut up a lot of branches and left them in lengths for us. Handy firewood. Sad thing - a young guy working for them was killed in a tragic accident a few days after they left us. RIP.

milkprofit · 15-05-2012 09:11AM

I had similar problems
After a no of phone calls they were sent back and cut sticks in lengths and mulched branches picked stones and sowed hay seeds While i played the lazzeY ****** and sat in van
They are meant to leave everything wright
YOU GET WHAT YOU EXCEPT

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-05-2012 08:52PM

Just contact ESB Networks at 1850 372 757 and they'll soon get it sorted.

Victor · 15-05-2012 09:08PM

Feel free to take before and after photos and complain to the ESB.

You are entitled to keep the timber, but I don't think there is an obligation to - you might be able to sell it.

SoJoMo · 16-05-2012 12:01AM

They were with a neighbour on a friday and asked to get on his land. He told them to go on ahead no problem. So they drove their 4wd tractor with baldy tires and low-loader and hi-mac in, left 8 gates open (road yard and field gates).
20+ cows and calves got out on the road and it was not until much later that the farmer noticed and had to go searching for them and round them up him self.
When he approached the contractors about this, there was not a bit of an apology, they were even ignorant and arrogant. So he locked the gates on them and told them they would not be moving until he had their ESB boss on site. That made them worse but after much arguing they had to leave the machine there for the weekend.
The esb boss came monday and when he heard the story he said that they would not be considered for the tendering process next year.
Still these guys were allowed to go off down the road in their tractor with no tires pulling x(?) amount of tons after them.
dangerous feckers

Bizzum · 16-05-2012 10:36AM

I'm intrigued to read peoples experiences here. I've had dealings with these lads twice, on both occasions it was negative. Both occasions they caused harm. At the time I knew little or nothing about the way they work. The previous poster used the terms ignorant and arrogant. This is exactly how I found them. Now I know it's not just me!

16-05-2012 12:22PM

I just know that its alot easier to not give them a reason to come onto the land in the first place!... if that means doing the work yourself so be it.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 16-05-2012 12:31PM

49801 wrote: »

I just know that its alot easier to not give them a reason to come onto the land in the first place!... if that means doing the work yourself so be it.

Correct, They only come in if there are branches within 2 meters (i think) of a line. Can be very dangerous if you dont know what you are doing though.

16-05-2012 12:40PM

Katalina Young Snowfall wrote: »

Correct, They only come in if there are branches within 2 meters (i think) of a line. Can be very dangerous if you dont know what you are doing though.

I am thinking more on the line that after they have been around and messed the place up it is fairly easy to trim on a regualer basis, 1-2yrs, and keep the branches small/far away.
but if you leave branches get back the way they were you will have to put up with the sub-contractors again in 5-6yrs time when it would be too dangerous for a farmer to be trimming near power lines.

loremolis · 16-05-2012 06:22PM

Under the Electricity Supply Acts, a landowner is entitled to be paid by the ESB for cutting trees, shrubs or hedges themselves;

Section 98 (3) of the 1927 Act states;

(3) When an occupier of land cuts or lops any tree, shrub, or hedge under this section the expense incurred by him in so doing shall be paid to him on demand by the Board or such authorised undertaker (as the case may be) and the amount of such expenses shall in default of agreement be fixed, if payable by the Board, by an arbitrator appointed by the Minister or, if payable by such authorised undertaker, by the Board.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1927/en/act/pub/0027/sec0098.html

Also, when the ESB enter onto privately owned land they must give notice to the landowner of their intention to do so.

The landowner is entitled to claim compensation if the ESB damage the land, fences, crops etc. when they are carrying out work on existing lines.

Sections 53(5) and 53(9).

(9) Where the Board ... is authorised by or under this section to place or retain any electric line across any land or to attach or retain any fixture on any building the Board or such authorised undertaker (as the case may be) may at any time enter on such land or building for the purpose of placing, repairing, or altering such line or such fixture or any line or apparatus supported by such fixture.

“(5) If the owner or occupier of such land or building fails within the seven days aforesaid to give his consent in accordance with the foregoing subsection, the Board or the authorised undertaker with the consent of the Board but not otherwise may place such line across such land or attach such fixture to such building in the position and manner stated in the said notice, subject to the entitlement of such owner or occupier to be paid compensation in respect of the exercise by the Board or authorised undertaker of the powers conferred by this subsection and of the powers conferred by subsection (9) of this section, such compensation to be assessed in default of agreement under the provisions of the Acquisition of Land (Assessment of Compensation) Act, 1919, the Board for this purpose being deemed to be a public authority.”.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1985/en/act/pub/0006/sec0001.html

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1927/en/act/pub/0027/sec0053.html

If the claim isn't big money then they shouldn't argue, particularly if the landowner was reasonable enough to allow them onto the land without quibble.

milkprofit · 16-05-2012 09:00PM

They are not all that bad
The last guy was putting up poles for ESB with the corer
i needed 3 up which he did and would not take any money

Oldtree · 16-05-2012 09:21PM

4m to a double line. They have to ask to enter your property.

A few years back the lazy S**ts cut a tree in half rather than lop off a few branches. The next time, to a different crew, I made a fuss and articulated exactly what was to be done, they complied. This time, to another different crew (I think they had heard of me), I again made a fuss and articulated exactly what was to be done, they complied, and I filled up their saws with biodegradable chain lube oil.

I would not suggest that you do the work yourself under on of those lines, electricity can arc quite a distance.

Tell them what you want done in no uncertain terms and supervise them too if you feel its necessary.

1chippy · 17-05-2012 11:28PM

Had the board of works in on apiece of land a couple of weeks ago. they used our field for parking at the start. when they needed to work on a river through our ground they asked for our permission to enter. at this stage though they had decided it was easier push the gates open with their machines rather than open them. They left one lying on the ground in a heap. We refused entry.
What would happen if you were unfortunate enough to have a compliance check on the same day as those arses were in. would they be liable if you lost part of your payment.

BalingMad · 19-05-2012 08:26PM

Yep, had the in two years ago, broke stud fencing and chipped branches into the field and left them there. Not letting them in anymore

thehouses · 20-09-2013 12:41PM

Don't let ESB on your land if possible. They will not follow their code of conduct, cause damage and display negligence to your property.

If they must carry out work - take before and after photos, issue clear instructions on how they are to carry out their work, monitor them as much as possible and insist on written confirmation of everything.

They are known for damaging gates, ditches, leaving rubbish on people's land and for leaving work half completed, even dangerously at times. Avoid at all costs - switch to other energy suppliers too.

If you have to make a claim their tactic is to waste as much time as possible in the hopes you will not fight them. They will use heavy handed tactics and not accept any responsibility. The Commission for Energy Regulation (CER) works hand in hand with ESB and will side with them in most cases if an issue is pressed futher.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 20-09-2013 12:48PM

thehouses wrote: »

Don't let ESB on your land if possible. They will not follow their code of conduct, cause damage and display negligence to your property.

Im sure there are a few like that, but not all.

Dampintheattic · 20-09-2013 02:57PM

thehouses wrote: »

Don't let ESB on your land if possible. They will not follow their code of conduct, cause damage and display negligence to your property.

If they must carry out work - take before and after photos, issue clear instructions on how they are to carry out their work, monitor them as much as possible and insist on written confirmation of everything.

They are known for damaging gates, ditches, leaving rubbish on people's land and for leaving work half completed, even dangerously at times. Avoid at all costs - switch to other energy suppliers too.

If you have to make a claim their tactic is to waste as much time as possible in the hopes you will not fight them. They will use heavy handed tactics and not accept any responsibility. The Commission for Energy Regulation (CER) works hand in hand with ESB and will side with them in most cases if an issue is pressed futher.

Relax. Be nice. Boil the kettle for them.
Few quid in the hand and they will cut a bit of the timber into fire logs for you. Cut a dangerous tree down for you as we'll, even if its not near lines.
Lecturing them and offering biodegradable something or other, won't get you far!

D

loremolis · 20-09-2013 08:00PM

Dampintheattic wrote: »

Relax. Be nice. Boil the kettle for them.
Few quid in the hand and they will cut a bit of the timber into fire logs for you. Cut a dangerous tree down for you as we'll, even if its not near lines.
Lecturing them and offering biodegradable something or other, won't get you far!

D

Clearly never dealt with the ESB then.

Rho b · 20-09-2013 08:22PM

We have been dealing with them for years here at home (Dublin) and never had a problem. They have cut trees and replaced poles over the years. Offered us the old poles to use as gate posts. Really nice guys and never an issue. However I have a small farm in Longford that was left to me a few years ago. They came in to cut the hedges and left the place in a mess and never informed me before hand. Also some of the cattle got sick after eating the cuttings that were left strewn on the grass. Had to get the vet and he reckoned it was some sort of poisoning.
I phoned the local ESB office and complained. Was told that they did call to the house that morning but since no one was in the house they proceeded. Apparently the "wayleave" (I think its called) allows them to do so.

Zoo4m8 · 20-09-2013 08:44PM

Rho b wrote: »

We have been dealing with them for years here at home (Dublin) and never had a problem. They have cut trees and replaced poles over the years. Offered us the old poles to use as gate posts. Really nice guys and never an issue. However I have a small farm in Longford that was left to me a few years ago. They came in to cut the hedges and left the place in a mess and never informed me before hand. Also some of the cattle got sick after eating the cuttings that were left strewn on the grass. Had to get the vet and he reckoned it was some sort of poisoning.
I phoned the local ESB office and complained. Was told that they did call to the house that morning but since no one was in the house they proceeded. Apparently the "wayleave" (I think its called) allows them to do so.

A lock and chain sorts their version of wayleave..:mad:

Have a look at the thread ' ESB putting 3phase power through my land'..

loremolis · 20-09-2013 09:21PM

Rho b wrote: »

We have been dealing with them for years here at home (Dublin) and never had a problem. They have cut trees and replaced poles over the years. Offered us the old poles to use as gate posts. Really nice guys and never an issue. However I have a small farm in Longford that was left to me a few years ago. They came in to cut the hedges and left the place in a mess and never informed me before hand. Also some of the cattle got sick after eating the cuttings that were left strewn on the grass. Had to get the vet and he reckoned it was some sort of poisoning.
I phoned the local ESB office and complained. Was told that they did call to the house that morning but since no one was in the house they proceeded. Apparently the "wayleave" (I think its called) allows them to do so.

Ask them for a copy of their 'wayleave'.

I'll give you any money for a copy if you get it.

rancher · 20-09-2013 09:38PM

loremolis wrote: »

Ask them for a copy of their 'wayleave'.

I'll give you any money for a copy if you get it.

Might take you up on that......is this it
http://www.esb.ie/esbnetworks/en/commercial-downloads/code-of-practice-for-access-to-lands.pdf

Section 5 might be it

Never had a problem here with them and they always leave the poles

loremolis · 20-09-2013 10:12PM

rancher wrote: »

Might take you up on that......is this it
http://www.esb.ie/esbnetworks/en/commercial-downloads/code-of-practice-for-access-to-lands.pdf

Section 5 might be it

Never had a problem here with them and they always leave the poles

That's not a wayleave. That says they will wayleave but they never do.

Produce a copy of their wayleave and name your price.

Zoo4m8 · 21-09-2013 08:08AM

loremolis wrote: »

That's not a wayleave. That says they will wayleave but they never do.

Produce a copy of their wayleave and name your price.

Spoke to two men last night with lines through their land , both said they were never served with wayleave, one man said on a number of occasions when he looked for it he only got the run around...

As for leaving poles, the only reason they do is because they are no use to them.

rancher · 21-09-2013 09:06AM

loremolis wrote: »

That's not a wayleave. That says they will wayleave but they never do.

Produce a copy of their wayleave and name your price.

Didn't really understand what it meant, however it says on that document that they cannot come in until 7days after it's served but they can cut branches without one.
They probably won't bother because we're not keeping them out

loremolis · 21-09-2013 10:00AM

rancher wrote: »

Didn't really understand what it meant, however it says on that document that they cannot come in until 7days after it's served but they can cut branches without one.
They probably won't bother because we're not keeping them out

You're entitled to compensation for any entry onto your land by ESB. The amount depends on what they are doing and how long they are doing it for.

KwackerJack · 21-09-2013 10:26AM

Jasus lads you can't expect them to do the work and clean up........if we force them to do that they might go on strike and ask for more money!

Most of them are arrogant and don't give a bollox as long as they get there tea break. Any time they have been on friends land or at the auld lad's garage it's the same story, they take all day to do a little bit and leave a mess like no other.

When my father's garage was being built they sent out someone to look at the over head lines (3 phase) and he was told that they would be risen to accommodate the garage and also for safety which was kind of them considering they didn't have to.

So about 2 weeks later the lads came out and refused to rise the lines (even though their made the call) and also refused to give a reason why.

So we built the garage anyway

and the boss man came out and was asking why the line's were so close to the roof and after explaining what happened a different team came out and the line were risen up! The boss man himself said that dealing with the ground crews is a nightmare, if they don't like a job it is a whole load of ****e to get them to do it!!

In my opinion they have way to much say in the company, like every other worker they get paid to do a job and if they don't do it well there is plenty of lads who will! But it's typical of this country that the more you earn the less work you do?????

the way the esb sub contractors leave

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