Ban Child Beauty Pageants

Doom · 19-09-2013 06:53PM

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Zen65 · 19-09-2013 06:57PM

heybaby wrote: »

The hypersexualization of children at beauty pageants is simply one strand of the disturbing sexualization of children / minors by society in general.

Agreed. I deplore the use of sexualised content now in TV adverts for kids. That ad for sweets with the line "she's tangfastic" makes me want to throw a stone through my telly. Why in the name of **** should kids be portrayed as having sexual fantasies about each other at that age? I doubt anyone can recall having such thoughts at that stage in our lives!

. . . . and as for afternoon TV shows portraying life in US schools . . . just utter horse____!

Ok, rant over!

19-09-2013 06:58PM

Zen65 wrote: »

That might sound all well and good, but for evolution to work, we have been judging each other on the basis of physical appearance for millennia. Why stop now?

It was never extended to babies, toddlers and small children until now. In an era where it's more important than ever that people are made to feel valued and appreciated even if they aren't beautiful or handsome, these pageants reinforce to tiny little children that the most important thing about them is how they look.

I hate them, and I question the motivation of a parent who spray tans and applies false eyelashes and lipstick to a toddler. It's very far removed from general modelling, where at least the child is allowed look like a child.

barone · 19-09-2013 07:15PM

those kids are not on stage acting as kids, they are pretending to be grown ups, grown up clothes,swimsuits,make up, poses models make,pouting..

its absolutley disgusting that they are made to perform like this for adult satisfaction.. i.e their parents.. and money.

exploitation it surely is .. and men judging the contests.. how is this allowed is beyond me.

they are kids ffs.

clairefontaine · 19-09-2013 07:15PM

Some of these kids are dressed up as 10th Avenue hookers.

Yes ban these stupid things.

I am pie · 19-09-2013 07:19PM

I would recommend social services having a word with the parents of any kids who is dressed up in a swimsuit and made to pout and pose for a prize

If you did it in your own home they certainly would be round knocking on your door.

Lando Griffin · 19-09-2013 07:34PM

I was at the local agriculturial show during the summer and they had a bonny baby competition.
There were sereral different classes : 0-1 year olds , 1-3 year olds and 3 and over for boys and girls.
I dont find anything wrong with it and as the MC said "Theres Lando now; champion in his day no doubt"

19-09-2013 07:35PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I was at the local agriculturial show during the summer and they had a bonny baby competition.
There were sereral different classes : 0-1 year olds , 1-3 year olds and 3 and over for boys and girls.

Were they plastered in makeup and dressed like hookers though?

19-09-2013 07:38PM

Creepy/weird thankfully isnt justification for a banning something. Mavbe we should complain about parents not being aware of proper nutrition, something which is an actual problem.

19-09-2013 07:42PM

19543261 wrote: »

Creepy/weird thankfully isnt justification for a banning something.

If the participants are adults, then I'd agree.

The child pageants feature children who not only can't really give informed consent, but judging by that awful TV show, are bullied and manipulated into taking part.

19-09-2013 07:45PM

Candie wrote: »

If the participants are adults, then I'd agree.

The child pageants feature children who not only can't really give informed consent, but judging by that awful TV show, are bullied and manipulated into taking part.

Informed consent for what? Having make-up on and stepping up on a stage?

19-09-2013 07:48PM

19543261 wrote: »

Informed consent for what? Having make-up on and stepping up on a stage?

It's not that simple. If you watch that show you'll see small children sexualised and objectified. It's nauseating, and the children don't seem to benefit in any real way.

Lando Griffin · 19-09-2013 07:57PM

Candie wrote: »

Were they plastered in makeup and dressed like hookers though?

God no. They had everyday farmer clothes.
I am against these pagents but at the end of the day if the parents are stupid enough to enter their children into these pagents that becomes the norm for said child much akin to a child born into a circus family and thinks clowns are the norm.They quickly grow up to understand its not the norm and become very good at judging people.

I am pie · 19-09-2013 08:03PM

Yeah, completely normal. Swimsuits...children, adults judging how kids look in swimsuits.

Sounds healthy.

Rho b · 19-09-2013 08:03PM

The hotel has withdrawn their services for the "competition"
http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-beauty-pageant-cancelled-balbriggan-hotel-1091809-Sep2013/?utm_source=facebook_short

wolfpawnat · 19-09-2013 08:05PM

If they were fully dressed and without the makeup it would be one thing, but they always are half naked or dressed in ways that would make "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding" look tame. Also the mothers give them red bull and other energy drinks and sugars, that's insane. I am sure there would be some proof that is not good for their hearts!

As a mom of a little girl, I would never parade her like that. I think a lot of those moms have unfulfilled lives and are very much trying to live through their daughters. And on a side note, many of the mum's on Toddlers and Tiara's appear to have faces like slapped arses! I never watched it but the ads scare me!

clairefontaine · 19-09-2013 08:06PM

19543261 wrote: »

Creepy/weird thankfully isnt justification for a banning something. Mavbe we should complain about parents not being aware of proper nutrition, something which is an actual problem.

No but child abuse is.

And creepy weird is a justification, hence prohibitions on flashing yourself when kids are around and prohibitions on child porn.

Femme_Fatale · 19-09-2013 08:52PM

I think the things are utterly messed up - can't stand them, but wouldn't a paedo be more interested in a child that looks like a child rather than a miniature adult?

AudreyHepburn · 19-09-2013 09:05PM

Ban them outright I say. They're disgusting.

I don't honestly see how anyone could be ok with dressing little girls up in ways even grown women wouldn't and having them sing/act/dance provocatively.

Anyone who thinks this is ok and just a bit of fun would seriously want to reevaluate their ideas imo.

GalwayGuy2 · 19-09-2013 09:25PM

Hmmm, I must admit, they do creep me out and I do think pedophilia.

But, I think that's just a cultural thing tbh.

Maybe the Americans don't see it as "sexualisation", but more a child wearing makeup, or pouting?

AudreyHepburn · 19-09-2013 09:48PM

19543261 wrote: »

Creepy/weird thankfully isnt justification for a banning something. .

It is when children are involved.

19-09-2013 10:26PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I think the things are utterly messed up - can't stand them, but wouldn't a paedo be more interested in a child that looks like a child rather than a miniature adult?

Yes I think this would be the case

clairefontaine · 19-09-2013 10:36PM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

Hmmm, I must admit, they do creep me out and I do think pedophilia.

But, I think that's just a cultural thing tbh.

Maybe the Americans don't see it as "sexualisation", but more a child wearing makeup, or pouting?

Attention and money.

20-09-2013 05:37AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It is when children are involved.

So our logic goes out the door when it comes to children. Right.

You miss the slight nuance between you being offended and children coming to harm.

gramar · 20-09-2013 09:03AM

Zen65 wrote: »

That might sound all well and good, but for evolution to work, we have been judging each other on the basis of physical appearance for millennia. Why stop now?

PS. I'm in favour of an all-out ban on beauty contests altogether. They are part of the dreadful "celebrity" culture that has set us backwards as a species!

You're absolutely right, we are judged but I think it's unnecesary and unfair
to create this false environment of competition and often nastiness at such a young age and and heap pressure on kids to win. It's almost a form of child slavery forcing kids into these pageants.

As someone said before it's looks like a paedo-paradise. They try to sell it as some kind of wholesome innocent activity for families when it's nothing more than a seedy rat race for abused kids masquerading as little queens and princesses.

barone · 20-09-2013 09:04AM

if cops arrested a guy at home and his laptop was full of images of these so called contestants would they be right thinking he has paedo tendencies ? or just harmless guy lookin at very young girls tarted up ?

coz this is what this is,except its on prime time tv.

TheIrishGrover · 20-09-2013 09:04AM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

The other day I saw a man putting petrol in his car and I shouted 'enjoy your blood soaked hydrocarbons you fucking war-monger'.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Both are just as valid.... they're opinions

20-09-2013 09:38AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't honestly see how anyone could be ok with dressing little girls up in ways even grown women wouldn't and having them sing/act/dance provocatively.

As perfectly illustrated in Olive's quasi-striptease to "Superfreak" in Little Miss Sunshine. Grandpa rocked.

GalwayGuy2 · 20-09-2013 09:41AM

As perfectly illustrated in Olive's quasi-striptease to "Superfreak" in Little Miss Sunshine. Grandpa rocked.

A lot of people who saw that scene thought the grandpa was secretly a pedophile. Which, just to say, I don't think he was.

20-09-2013 09:45AM

I am pie wrote: »

The idea of judging a child on appearance is horrendous, telling another child they weren't pretty enough to win is pretty damaging.

Since this is uncommon in Ireland I guess I have never really spent time considering the subject of Pageants before. So I have no idea where I come down on the issue. Which is fun because it is not often you get to follow a thread on an issue where you remain to be convinced either way. Most often we read issues where we have already chosen a side and are not likely/often swayed.

But one thing that struck me instantly when I read the above sentence is where one draws the line on the above point. Surely the same argument could be made about making children compete on -any- level? Warning bells always go off in my head when an argument is made but only selectively applied.

You were not fast enough to win that one. You could not kick a ball well enough to win that one. You could not jump high enough to win that one. You were too light - heavy - slow - fast - tall - short - strong - weak - smart - well read - to win that one.

Surely in -any- competitive effort we place our children in - unless they are victorious - we are telling them they were too X or too little X to win?

barone wrote: »

exploitation it surely is .. and men judging the contests.. how is this allowed is beyond me.

Think I understood every part of your post except this bit. Not sure what it means. Where does the sex of the judges come into whether holding Pageants is a moral or immoral or morally neutral act?

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