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TUS Programme

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Realtivity


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    And was he genuinely disabled or was he feigning it?

    If the former is true then your example is irrelevant since most of us are not (thank god) genuinely disabled.
    If the latter is true then IS It your "detailed advice" that we should CON them into believing that we are disabled and thus incapable of picking up litter?

    Sorry if I don't understand you properly but I'm a bit thick you see!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Realtivity


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    OK
    So he was disabled and had a legitimate reason to refuse an offer of work picking up litter but instead of using this as his REASON he decided to be:

    "A little bit thick and slightly obtuse"

    and then they "left him alone"

    And there is evidence that they left him alone because he was "A little bit thick and slightly obtuse" rather than the fact that there was a genuine chance that he might in fact really be disabled.

    BUT MAYBE NO - they didn't leave him alone because "they still tried to get him onto Tús while waiting for his DA to come through"

    So, even though they knew that he was applying for disability they still tried to force him to pick up litter. So they therefore had heard the disability argument.
    In that case the only thing that stopped them then was the fact that he was :

    "A little bit thick and slightly obtuse"

    Fred - Your story has some serious credibilty issues. Serious people are trying to discuss a serious issue here. Please respect that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    myneo wrote: »
    Hi. I got a letter this morning to go on this tus thing. so angry. i mean really angry. was wondering what to do. so thanks for all the comments and posts and info. thank god for the internet.
    it's great to read genuine and real and caring people in a world so full of crap.

    What are you so angry about?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Joey555


    Just got my "invite" for interview. Am looking at these words job suitability and taking it with a pinch of salt given the fact that any offer turned down is grounds to cut dole payments. As people have said here though it is a yellow flag. A look in the mirror at yourself and think wtf, can't believe I got to the stage where i became eligible for this kinda thing!. A feeling of shame to be honest. But anyway, my point is I really don't think these schemes help the unemployment problem at all and i'm wise enough to know that providing "work experience" in most cases really means free/cheap labour. If anything i think it would hinder even more the chances of real employment as these schemes when seen on a CV are looked down apon by alot of real employers. As everyone already knows this is spin by the government to make it look like the live register numbers are down and is in reality hurting real job creation. But anyway 12 months forced community service is gona look great on my CV, just above Data analyst and 3rd level Degree :P ........ Oh and Joan Burton is incompetent!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭smiley_face400


    Joey555 wrote: »
    Just got my "invite" for interview. Am looking at these words job suitability and taking it with a pinch of salt given the fact that any offer turned down is grounds to cut dole payments. As people have said here though it is a yellow flag. A look in the mirror at yourself and think wtf, can't believe I got to the stage where i became eligible for this kinda thing!. A feeling of shame to be honest. But anyway, my point is I really don't think these schemes help the unemployment problem at all and i'm wise enough to know that providing "work experience" in most cases really means free/cheap labour. If anything i think it would hinder even more the chances of real employment as these schemes when seen on a CV are looked down apon by alot of real employers. As everyone already knows this is spin by the government to make it look like the live register numbers are down and is in reality hurting real job creation. But anyway 12 months forced community service is gona look great on my CV, just above Data analyst and 3rd level Degree :P ........ Oh and Joan Burton is incompetent!

    I agree that they don't really help the problem as at the end of your 12 months there's no opportunity to be hired on full time and the Tús office actually help you sign back on so you just get recycled back onto the dole until they decide you're eligible for another scheme.

    You don't actually have to mention that you did the job through Tús, you can say you did it as an unpaid internship or something like that. I just have the name of the company and a description of the work I'm doing on my CV without any mention of the scheme.

    It's not guaranteed that you'll actually get a placement through them either. Just go in and treat it like an interview for a temp agency. Tell them your experience, what you're looking for and what you're not willing to do. They had no problem with me telling them that I wanted a phone based role due to my background in customer service/sales and that under no circumstances would I work with children, the elderly or do any manual labour as they're not where my skills lie and a placement of that sort would be completely pointless for me.

    Yes, it is annoying that people are being forced into this, further education or not but it's better than nothing in the interim and you're still free to take on part time work when on the placement once you're doing your 19.5 hours in your placement


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭smiley_face400


    Realtivity wrote: »
    Where is this advice? Can you give us the posting reference number?

    All I can find is a suggestion that one should appear "a bit thick" at the interview!

    This is unlikely to influence an employer looking for someone to clean up litter!

    Someone I know tried that when they got referred to Tús. It doesn't work, they'll cop on to the fact that you're just not serious about getting a placement through them and then write to SW telling them you're not serious about finding a job which will just get your dole cut


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭mrbrown69


    Joey555 wrote: »
    Just got my "invite" for interview. Am looking at these words job suitability and taking it with a pinch of salt given the fact that any offer turned down is grounds to cut dole payments. As people have said here though it is a yellow flag. A look in the mirror at yourself and think wtf, can't believe I got to the stage where i became eligible for this kinda thing!. A feeling of shame to be honest. But anyway, my point is I really don't think these schemes help the unemployment problem at all and i'm wise enough to know that providing "work experience" in most cases really means free/cheap labour. If anything i think it would hinder even more the chances of real employment as these schemes when seen on a CV are looked down apon by alot of real employers. As everyone already knows this is spin by the government to make it look like the live register numbers are down and is in reality hurting real job creation. But anyway 12 months forced community service is gona look great on my CV, just above Data analyst and 3rd level Degree :P ........ Oh and Joan Burton is incompetent!

    Would agree it's a Government scam, there are almost monthly reports now of how the numbers are down...it's a falsehood

    Don't agree on employers looking down at it on your CV....12 months doing nowt or 12 months doing work (any work) ??

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭aN.Droid


    Joey555 wrote: »
    If anything i think it would hinder even more the chances of real employment as these schemes when seen on a CV are looked down apon by alot of real employers.

    In my tus placement I was in an IT position so on my CV I would say I was employed by the paul partnership to be remote hands IT support to local charity and community establishments. Looks way better than saying I was on the dole too long so they put me on tus :P. Gone back to college now though so off the scheme anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


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    That's it in a nutshell.

    Since I got my letter a few weeks ago I have been HOUNDED by these people. Basically they grind you down until they wear you out. I live in a rural area so didn't think there would be much available, but, no. Even though I was initially told there was nothing available, the jobsworth I'm dealing with obviously went looking and lo a week later a position miraculously appeared out of nowhere. I feel very singled out/targeted by this person especially since I said I was moving out of the area soon (which I am and made this clear) and they still expect me to take up the position.

    It doesn't end there either - I now have to meet with this person every two weeks for the rest of the year. I don't know why, but I guess it's not really up to me.

    So, yeah, once you're targeted for this thing, you're screwed - lie down, obey, do what they say.

    I don't intend to kill myself working for people who are basically taking advantage of people on social welfare and giddy on the prospect of getting something for nothing/slave labour so who knows, maybe I'll get fired...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Dunny


    What are you so angry about?

    Having to work for his/her dole....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭Crazyteacher


    The forced labour part I'd say .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Dunny wrote: »
    Having to work for his/her dole....?
    The forced labour part I'd say .

    A tad overdramatic

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 BILBOBAGINS


    Got a letter too, no way am i going to this interview, I really want a job but do not want "help" from these people!! am signing off, figure the lack of money will be a motivator, worse case scenario I get no job and have to sign back on in few months, and hopefully therefore no longer qualify for this scam as i won't have been signing on continually for the last 12 months!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Got a letter too, no way am i going to this interview, I really want a job but do not want "help" from these people!! am signing off, figure the lack of money will be a motivator, worse case scenario I get no job and have to sign back on in few months, and hopefully therefore no longer qualify for this scam as i won't have been signing on continually for the last 12 months!

    If you are going to sign off - I would advise signing on just for credits so that it doesn't make a mess of your prsi contributions

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    Can anyone tell me if my Tus payments will be paid into my bank account just like my Social Welfare payments were? My payments have always been paid straight into the bank but now my Tus officer is talking about cheques/collecting from the post office etc?

    I told them payments have always been made directly to my bank account so I'm just wondering if this will be the same.

    The person I'm dealing with doesn't really make anything clear and right now I'm not sure if I'll have any money this week or where it will be coming from!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Got a letter too, no way am i going to this interview, I really want a job but do not want "help" from these people!! am signing off, figure the lack of money will be a motivator, worse case scenario I get no job and have to sign back on in few months, and hopefully therefore no longer qualify for this scam as i won't have been signing on continually for the last 12 months!

    Bad move tbh. I got a letter for this last year and to be honest it's not that bad. I know the thought of being forced to work for you dole is demoralising but you need a few bob at the end of the day plus you get an extra 20 quid?

    Just ride the storm, go to the interview, start your placement and if you get a job in the meantime you can leave TUS straight away? At least this way you won't be broke and remember the Social want people to sign off so they can save money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    CarrieLee wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me if my Tus payments will be paid into my bank account just like my Social Welfare payments were? My payments have always been paid straight into the bank but now my Tus officer is talking about cheques/collecting from the post office etc?

    I told them payments have always been made directly to my bank account so I'm just wondering if this will be the same.

    The person I'm dealing with doesn't really make anything clear and right now I'm not sure if I'll have any money this week or where it will be coming from!

    They pay into your bank account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 toadettee


    I got called for this programme and I am only signing on since June 1st, it says on the FAQ section on the website not eligible unless you are signing on 12 months, I'm so confused..... I only finished college in May after being on back to education but this isn't deemed signing on. I have also worked part time upto march of this year. My interview is Wednesday, maybe they could shed some light.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 toadettee


    Well I shall be telling them that on Wednesday. What is wrong when they can't even get the basics right, doesn't give me much hope for the future......


    Actually I have emailed the contact they gave me to find out my next step.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    Problem is, once they get you in their sights.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    CarrieLee wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me if my Tus payments will be paid into my bank account just like my Social Welfare payments were? My payments have always been paid straight into the bank but now my Tus officer is talking about cheques/collecting from the post office etc?

    I told them payments have always been made directly to my bank account so I'm just wondering if this will be the same.

    The person I'm dealing with doesn't really make anything clear and right now I'm not sure if I'll have any money this week or where it will be coming from!

    I am fairly sure it's upto the organisation that your Tus team leader is employed by - Tus is not centrally managed by DSP it is run by all the partnership companies

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    I am fairly sure it's upto the organisation that your Tus team leader is employed by - Tus is not centrally managed by DSP it is run by all the partnership companies

    Hmmm...well they took my bank details and asked if I had always been paid directly into the bank. First of all they told me I would be paid same as normal into the bank but then this morning started mentioning post office and cheques. I'm totally confused now.

    I did ask them to clarify but the person I was dealing with didn't really seem to know the answer. Which is strange since you would think they'd deal with this all the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭smiley_face400


    CarrieLee wrote: »
    Hmmm...well they took my bank details and asked if I had always been paid directly into the bank. First of all they told me I would be paid same as normal into the bank but then this morning started mentioning post office and cheques. I'm totally confused now.

    I did ask them to clarify but the person I was dealing with didn't really seem to know the answer. Which is strange since you would think they'd deal with this all the time.

    You get paid into your bank account so don't know what your tus person is ****eing on about cheques and the PO for.

    Despite what Tus make you think, you're not obliged to take the first placement that comes along. If you don't think it's suitable for you then tell them and there shouldn't be any remifications once you have a valid reason for doing so. They handed me a pile of job descriptions when I first went in and I just told them very clearly what I was looking for myself and what I was willing to do.

    Do have to say though that I'm massively pissed off with my placement at the moment. It's not Tus's fault but some employers who take people on Tus take advantage of the fact that if you lose the job then you lose your dole.

    Was all going well for me until the last week or so and I was loving not just sitting on my arse applying for jobs all day but now they're just taking the piss out of the power they have over me. Have to get up at 4 to be at an event for 7 and I was given the impression that I had no other choice but to say yes. Do your research beforehand and you should be fine


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