Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

BaZmO* · 16-09-2013 03:22PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Might nothing.

Ordinary publicans don't have the individual pull that the Aviva or JDW would.

And VFI and IVF do **** all to try to help, to be honest.

Well they work for the publicans so surely it's up to the publicans to look into getting better representation if what they've got isn't working.

Heroditas · 16-09-2013 03:31PM

coylemj wrote: »

If JDW make a go of Tonic in Blackrock then good luck to them. Dealing purely with the local scene, you currently have Cafe Java (coffee shop with a snack food menu), Jack O'Rourke's (traditional bar with pub food menu) and on the main street there's also an Insomnia and an Eddie Rockett.

At the top of the tree in the area there's Ouzos (cheapest main: fish 'n chips €13.95) where the Mad Hatter used to be, be across the road from Tonic.

I wish them well and look forward to a place that serves good food with no muzak.

Ouzo's isn't across the road (well, not literally anyway), it's up the main street a bit.
Is the place across the road still called Sheehan's? Used to be a great spot 10 years ago but was really a shadow of its former self the last time I was there (Christmas 2011).

oblivious · 16-09-2013 03:54PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Well they work for the publicans so surely it's up to the publicans to look into getting better representation if what they've got isn't working.

Yep, group buying would help their cause

listermint · 16-09-2013 04:02PM

rubadub wrote: »

Any example of these UK companies? i.e. ones who are genuinely recognized as being a decent % cheaper than their other UK competitors? not just ones who say they are cheap in marketing, which is loads (e.g. I certainly would not include the likes of tesco).

Why would you not include Tesco ? because it doesnt suit your arguement? is that why. Ha!

Its a fact of irish retailing that when you bring something to market over here the irish will pay more for it. Any UK and European companies recognise that fact.

listermint · 16-09-2013 04:08PM

rubadub wrote: »

No real issue, its sold so cheap abroad its definitely worthwhile. I wonder if others are already at it.

Sunday business post ~2010

Diageo has agreed to slash the price of Guinness to the company which runs the bars in Dublin’s new Aviva Stadium at Lansdowne Road, after the company threatened to import supplies from Britain.

Irish publicans pay €131.66 for a 50-litre keg of Guinness. The ex-duty price of the same keg to the on-trade in Britain is half that, at £54.15 (€66). Even after payment of Irish duty, the cost of importing Guinness to Ireland would be only €99.33 per keg, a saving of 33 per cent.

You proved my point with this post...

Davidth88 · 17-09-2013 09:06AM

It looks like Greene King are also sniffing around the Irish market

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/retail-and-services/two-more-uk-pub-chains-may-buy-into-dublin-1.1529745

Interesting they are looking for large places with car parks .

I instantly think of the FoxHunter in Lucan which is very much available I am sure must suburbs have similar premises .

Geuze · 17-09-2013 12:00PM

Rather than the response of pubs close b y, or the LVA / VFI, I am more interested in the response of the suppliers to the possible arrival of UK pub chains in Ireland.

oblivious · 17-09-2013 12:38PM

Davidth88 wrote: »

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I instantly think of the FoxHunter in Lucan which is very much available I am sure must suburbs have similar premises .

West and north side of Dublin suburbs have massive opportunity for these company's

Lovely Bloke · 17-09-2013 12:42PM

oblivious wrote: »

West and north side of Dublin suburbs have massive opportunity for these company's

I wonder where you are talking about in North Dublin?

ezra_pound · 17-09-2013 12:49PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I wonder where you are talking about in North Dublin?

I can definitely see swords as a good location for Witherspoon's or other UK chain.

rubadub · 17-09-2013 01:19PM

listermint wrote: »

Why would you not include Tesco ? because it doesnt suit your arguement? is that why. Ha!

On the contrary, it perfectly suits my argument. Tesco are not recognised as a supermarket which is significantly cheaper than the others in the UK, and over here they seem to be positioned about the same, i.e. they were not seen as a significantly cheap or expensive supermarket. My point came about from this comment

cloudatlas wrote: »

What makes people think that their price point will remain low in Blackrock?!?

which was explained perfectly here

Seaneh wrote: »

Because that is their entire business model, why would they move here and just throw their modus operandi out the window? It makes no sense.

So again I would welcome any example of some UK companies who did significantly change their business model & position in the market here. Tesco certainly did not, or do you actually think they did?

Caliden · 17-09-2013 01:48PM

Zaph wrote: »

I was in a couple in Derry, and whatever about the range of beers there, the lack of atmosphere made them some of the grimmest places I've ever drunk in.

It's the lack of music. Never noticed it until a friend pointed it out.

Crooked Jack · 17-09-2013 01:53PM

Caliden wrote: »

It's the lack of music. Never noticed it until a friend pointed it out.

I love the lack of music. It's a great bar to have a conversation with friends in. No loud music forcing you to roar everything. It's a great place for a few before going out.

oblivious · 17-09-2013 02:53PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I wonder where you are talking about in North Dublin?

Artane Beaumont and Coolock, would come to mind, if a premise came up for or was willing to sell

liffeylite · 17-09-2013 09:13PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I love the lack of music. It's a great bar to have a conversation with friends in. No loud music forcing you to roar everything. It's a great place for a few before going out.

The lack of music is fine. Personally I don't say that is a bad thing and wetherspoons do serve a purpose in the UK. they tend to be meeting places. but they are soulless and vacuous. they always feel like hotel receptions. they do have a good rage of beer and that is a great thing.

I think they will enhance the Dublin scene as long as they remain in low numbers. One of the great things about pub nightlife in Dublin is that there aren't any chain bars. Go to any UK city and they tend to be carbon copies of one another and lack character in all but a few pubs and bars. Dublin isn't afflicted by this, partially because it knows how to create atmosphere in pubs but partally because every pub is different.

I ould hate to see a proliferation of UK chain pubs and the likes of wetherspoons, Chicago rock, revolution, greene king etc etc turn it into an identikit toy town like most other UK cities.

conor678 · 17-09-2013 09:29PM

I live in the UK and have been in plenty of weatherspoons in both nice spots and bad spots. The one in York was loverely. The one in grimsby a kip. In that regard i am not worried about the negative impact of weatherspoons in Ireland. Money will talk and with the price being cheap and food and drink good value i welcome it. The beer is always lovely and if they start using Irish brewers all the better. Give some rip off publicans and diagio a fright and some incentive to be competitive and good for the punter. Win win for everyone

Joe10000 · 17-09-2013 10:40PM

Heroditas wrote: »

Ouzo's isn't across the road (well, not literally anyway), it's up the main street a bit.
Is the place across the road still called Sheehan's? Used to be a great spot 10 years ago but was really a shadow of its former self the last time I was there (Christmas 2011).

It's called South 1 now, been open three weeks.

Joe10000 · 17-09-2013 10:48PM

coylemj wrote: »

If JDW make a go of Tonic in Blackrock then good luck to them. Dealing purely with the local scene, you currently have Cafe Java (coffee shop with a snack food menu), Jack O'Rourke's (traditional bar with pub food menu) and on the main street there's also an Insomnia and an Eddie Rockett.

At the top of the tree in the area there's Ouzos (cheapest main: fish 'n chips €13.95) where the Mad Hatter used to be, be across the road from Tonic.

I wish them well and look forward to a place that serves good food with no muzak.

I would consider Dali's higher up the chain to Ouzos.

In fact your knowledge of the local scene is poor. There are 7 licensed restaurants in blackrock village and 8 pubs of which 5 serve food. Coffee shops and takeaways total 9 and there is the wine/tapas bar in the market.

Lucena · 17-09-2013 10:49PM

Joe10000 wrote: »

It's called South 1 now, been open three weeks.

Don't know the area, don't know the pub/bar in question, but any place called 'South 1' sounds like it's so far up its own arse it'll disappear. Hopefully.

JK91 · 23-10-2013 03:24AM

Will the new minimum alcohol pricing laws effect the price of drink at these soon to be Weatherspoon outlets? Surely that would make them re-consider setting up here? Still though, would be nice to have a variety of lager and ale options as opposed to bud, miller and all that crap.

Uaru · 23-10-2013 03:29AM

JK91 wrote: »

Will the new minimum alcohol pricing laws effect the price of drink at these soon to be Weatherspoon outlets? Surely that would make them re-consider setting up here? Still though, would be nice to have a variety of lager and ale options as opposed to bud, miller and all that crap.

I doubt it. These policies are to target off licences.

rubadub · 23-10-2013 09:32AM

JK91 wrote: »

Will the new minimum alcohol pricing laws effect the price of drink at these soon to be Weatherspoon outlets?

I would say their cheapest pint will be well above the minimum. This min cost thing is not % based like VAT or something.

That's even if that law can get passed, it was stopped in scotland as its illegal.

If anything the ban would be of benefit to wetherspoons.

Zebra3 · 23-10-2013 11:27AM

liffeylite wrote: »

One of the great things about pub nightlife in Dublin is that there aren't any chain bars.

Not true.

Big Nasty · 23-10-2013 11:41AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not true.

Such as?

There are groups, i.e. a number of pubs owned by the same party but to me a 'chain' would be a group that all have the same identity / design.

EDIT: I suppose Gilbert & Wright would fit, there's a couple of them isn't there?

drumswan · 23-10-2013 11:44AM

Doesnt make a difference if they are chains or not if they all sell exactly the same products at the same price.

Theres no end of small to medium towns in Ireland in which every pub is practically identical.

BeerNut · 23-10-2013 11:45AM

Porterhouse, Galway Bay Brewery, L. Mulligan Grocer -- all have as much in common between their outlets as JD Wetherspoon does.

irish_goat · 23-10-2013 11:46AM

The existence of a chain pub shouldn't affect your enjoyment of another pub, if you don't like Wetherspoons just go to a different bar. I don't see how it will ruin the Dublin nightlife for you.

Colonel Sanders · 23-10-2013 07:30PM

irish_goat wrote: »

The existence of a chain pub shouldn't affect your enjoyment of another pub, if you don't like Wetherspoons just go to a different bar. I don't see how it will ruin the Dublin nightlife for you.

Absolutely

There are plenty of places in Dublin that are awful & would ruin my night if I ventured in. Hence I don't go to them....

yknaa · 24-10-2013 12:48PM

The Examiner today suggests they are thinking of moving into Cork and have a venue in Paul's St. in mind.

Seaneh · 24-10-2013 01:02PM

yknaa wrote: »

The Examiner today suggests they are thinking of moving into Cork and have a venue in Paul's St. in mind.

They have already announced they plan to open 30 bars nationwide in the next few years so no real surprise that they are already looking at Cork. I'd expect Galway and Waterford to be next on their radar followed by the bigger towns like Sligo, Athlone, Kilkenny, Waterford, Dundalk, Drogheda, etc.

Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

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