Bloody Sunday commander shot dead in Kenya

Focus_sligo · 10-09-2013 11:03AM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well Gerry Adams was the commander of the IRA when so many innocent unarmed civilians were murdered so it stands to reason that as commander he was also responsible for the murders no?

Alleged commander, not proved. Again off topic and noting to do with Bloody Sunday or this mans death

Busted Flat. · 10-09-2013 11:40AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

When you say modern times, are we talking what, 30 years? 50 years?

Do you consider the first gulf war in that list? Or Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia?

How about Sierra Leone and Afghanistan?

It's nice to be self righteous when other people are brave enough to do the world's dirty work.

Correction, To do the dirty work against others, and what experience the BA has in that field.

twinytwo · 10-09-2013 11:42AM

Gary Sprake wrote: »

There are a lot of posters on this thread who hate this man because he was part of an organisation which killed a lot of Catholics during the troubles . They must really hate the IRA then since the IRA killed more Catholics during the troubles than the British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries combined . Otherwise they would be hypocrites, right?

Im sorry Garry but you miss the point. The BA was sent to NI to protect catholics from the violence that was started by various protestant groups in the north.

They completely missed this mandate, as bloody sunday etc has shown.

You cannot compare the a professional army to the IRA.

bumper234 · 10-09-2013 11:57AM

Focus_sligo wrote: »

Alleged commander, not proved. Again off topic and noting to do with Bloody Sunday or this mans death

So you are saying we can't make comparisons between commanders (are you that naive to believe Gerry wasn't the commander?) of the two armies both of which are guilty of the deaths of unarmed innocent civilians?

I wasn't even going to reply in this thread as i knew the republican RA bots would be out in force until i read this statement.

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I don't have sympathy with any British army personnel, living or dead.

They are a collection of thugs who, in modern times, have mostly put themselves in perilous situations where they were actively offending core tenets of human equality, international law, and national sovereignty.

However, it would be wrong to overlook the fact that Loden was totally cleared of any wrongdoing by the Saville Inquiry.

Bloody Sunday was one of the most gruesome, grim days in the history of the modern Irish state and should not be used as some half wits' political football, who seek to ignore facts when they displease them.

Focus_sligo · 10-09-2013 02:25PM

bumper234 wrote: »

So you are saying we can't make comparisons between commanders (are you that naive to believe Gerry wasn't the commander?) of the two armies both of which are guilty of the deaths of unarmed innocent civilians?

I wasn't even going to reply in this thread as i knew the republican RA bots would be out in force until i read this statement.

Don't think it matters on my views on Gerry Adams, but you shouldnt call him commander of anything without proof.

It's clear you have no ties to anybody that suffered at the hands of this mans unit, which is the main point of this thread

Leftist · 10-09-2013 02:27PM

RIP.

Nodin · 10-09-2013 02:31PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

When you say modern (........)enough to do the world's dirty work.

Who said it was done on behalf of the world? What part of the world was interested in keeping Aden a colony Fred?

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 02:42PM

Nodin wrote: »

Who said it was done on behalf of the world? What part of the world was interested in keeping Aden a colony Fred?

Ok, so modern means 60 years ago.

bumper234 · 10-09-2013 02:43PM

Focus_sligo wrote: »

Don't think it matters on my views on Gerry Adams, but you shouldnt call him commander of anything without proof.

It's clear you have no ties to anybody that suffered at the hands of this mans unit, which is the main point of this thread

So i have to be some sort of direct relative of the victims to have an opinion on his death?

Nodin · 10-09-2013 02:47PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ok, so modern means 60 years ago.

What interest did the world have in Aden being a british colony fred?

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 02:52PM

Nodin wrote: »

What interest did the world have in Aden being a british colony fred?

I don't know, you're the ****ing expert.

karma_ · 10-09-2013 02:52PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ok, so modern means 60 years ago.

Modern times started after the middle ages. Late modern times after teh French Revolution.

Nodin · 10-09-2013 02:54PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I don't know, you're the ****ing expert.

Fred, you stated

It's nice to be self righteous when other people are brave enough to do the world's dirty work.

This man was in Aden in the 60's, for which he won a medal. What part of the worlds interests were served by keeping Aden a british colony?

Karl Stein · 10-09-2013 03:17PM

Nodin wrote: »

What part of the worlds interests were served by keeping Aden a british colony?

Maybe it's a good place to shoot at extra-terrestrials from?

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 03:21PM

Nodin wrote: »

Fred, you stated

This man was in Aden in the 60's, for which he won a medal. What part of the worlds interests were served by keeping Aden a british colony?

The Aden emergency wasn't about keeping Aden a colony, the transition to independence was announced in 1964.

Nodin · 10-09-2013 03:47PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Aden emergency wasn't about keeping Aden a colony, the transition to independence was announced in 1964.

....nothing to do with wanting to keep a base in the area and make sure the right kind of "independence" was granted....

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 03:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

....nothing to do with wanting to keep a base in the area and make sure the right kind of "independence" was granted....

More like a managed transition to independence and an avoidance of a blood bath between the two rival opposition groups.

Nodin · 10-09-2013 04:27PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

More like a managed transition to independence and an avoidance of a blood bath between the two rival opposition groups.

....hehehe. Jaysus, what saints they were.

end of the road · 10-09-2013 04:35PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

When you say modern times, are we talking what, 30 years? 50 years?

Do you consider the first gulf war in that list? Or Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia?

How about Sierra Leone and Afghanistan?

It's nice to be self righteous when other people are brave enough to do the world's dirty work.

the first gulf war was a revenge war, the second iraq war was a revenge war to finish the job as bush senior was unable to finish it the first time, Afghanistan was a revenge war for 9 11 all though i doubt 9 11 had anything to do with Afghanistan, it has been dispite what both the british and american governments want you to think a huge FAILURE

end of the road · 10-09-2013 04:42PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

More like a managed transition to independence and an avoidance of a blood bath between the two rival opposition groups.

no the BA just wanted to create the blood bath themselves

SoulandForm · 10-09-2013 04:43PM

I dont normally agree with you but you do have a very valid point here which I think should be acknowledged. Bloody Friday was a totally evil act and there is nothing sectarian about wanting its victims remembered.

gallag wrote: »

I posted a thread on the bloody Friday bombs and payed homage to both sections of the community who were hurt/killed

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056997133/1

this was closed by a mod with this closing comment.

"The more we let threads like this run the more we let the cancer of this debate f*ck up AH for the regular poster who doesn't spend time point scoring over sectarian bullsh1t."

Is this forum bigoted? Have any threads about bloody Sunday been called a cancer? Not just memorial threads but even ones like this gloating on the death of an innocent old man?

Stay classy boards.ie

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 05:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

the first gulf war was a revenge war, the second iraq war was a revenge war to finish the job as bush senior was unable to finish it the first time, Afghanistan was a revenge war for 9 11 all though i doubt 9 11 had anything to do with Afghanistan, it has been dispite what both the british and american governments want you to think a huge FAILURE

Iirc, the PIRA called a temporary ceasefire during the first gulf war to effectively do their bit.

Did they want revenge as well?

(revenge for what though I've no idea)

Oakboy · 10-09-2013 08:23PM

Banjo String wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/bloody-sunday-commander-shot-dead-in-kenya-29562180.html
Not a believer in Karma.

With no hint of sarcasm, this must have been a terrible incident for his family to have had to witness.

Just as terrible as the families of the innocent victims of Bloody Sunday in Derry.

Thoughts?

What goes around...

Bloody Sunday commander shot dead in Kenya

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