Bloody Sunday commander shot dead in Kenya

wonderfullife · 09-09-2013 01:26AM

end of the road wrote: »

no

no it isn't, the memories of those murderous acts by BA vermin in NI live on

no loss, good riddens

Riddance.

And enough of a loss for you to come spouting more sad rhetoric about him. If he meant nothing to you, you wouldnt be on the thread.

the_syco · 09-09-2013 01:27AM

There was no suggestion that either Col Loden or his family had been individually targeted, and nothing of value was stolen. Police were treating the attack as a robbery that went wrong.

A "robbery that went wrong" as opposed to someones personal vendetta.

end of the road · 09-09-2013 01:33AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

15 year olds up and down the North West of England did when Maggie died. Celebrate for the sake of it

that evil old woman destroyed parts of britain beyond repair indefinitely, these "15 year olds" are the next generation and they have no opportunities and never will in either their area or surrounding areas, to move to london may as well be emigration to them, maggie only cared about the upper middle and upper classes along with the type of class she tried to create

Busted Flat. · 09-09-2013 01:33AM

the_syco wrote: »

A "robbery that went wrong" as opposed to someones personal vendetta.

Oh Oh. Remember Jackson watch your back. Then Peter OToole is too old for action.

wonderfullife · 09-09-2013 01:43AM

end of the road wrote: »

that evil old woman destroyed parts of britain beyond repair indefinitely, these "15 year olds" are the next generation and they have no opportunities and never will in either their area or surrounding areas, to move to london may as well be emigration to them, maggie only cared about the upper middle and upper classes along with the type of class she tried to create

how does that chip feel on your shoulder?

Crack open a beer pal. Maggie is dead and so is this Colonel chap. Celebrate!! 2 old people you didnt like are dead......

Sad.

policarp · 09-09-2013 02:25AM

Was in Derry for the "Fleadh Ceoil" and had a great time.
Was in the Apprentice Boys meeting rooms and at the Murals on the Bogside on the one day. Couldn't have done that a few years ago.
Scars are still there, but they are healing.

Ex Irish Garda killed in Namibia last week, they take risks.

Stereomaniac · 09-09-2013 02:31AM

Hmm, while part of me feels that something has come full circle, an even greater part feels remorse.

Gary Sprake · 09-09-2013 04:29AM

There are a lot of posters on this thread who hate this man because he was part of an organisation which killed a lot of Catholics during the troubles . They must really hate the IRA then since the IRA killed more Catholics during the troubles than the British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries combined . Otherwise they would be hypocrites, right?

Focus_sligo · 09-09-2013 08:39AM

Gary Sprake wrote: »

There are a lot of posters on this thread who hate this man because he was part of an organisation which killed a lot of Catholics during the troubles . They must really hate the IRA then since the IRA killed more Catholics during the troubles than the British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries combined . Otherwise they would be hypocrites, right?

Or simply they hate this man for the murder of 14 innocencent civilians on a civil rights march, who then lied to cover their tracks. But it's ok, you just bring on the old worn out IRA supporters line.

The people that condone the actions of the army that day are no better than the so called soldiers who pulled the triggers!

BeerWolf · 09-09-2013 12:32PM

Robbers... sounds like a hit if you ask me.

hwap · 09-09-2013 08:00PM

talk about poetic justice, im delighted to hear the news. hope he meets the 14 innocents he oversaw getting murdered in derry

Duck's hoop · 09-09-2013 08:09PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

is this like the chopper's fatal crash on the Mull of Kintyr. (spelling may not be right)

Funnily enough, I had the exact same thought the second I heard this story.

hwap · 09-09-2013 08:11PM

mcc1 wrote: »

Where did I defend the actions of the soldiers who fired the shots?? Only a small number of soldiers fired shots that day most didnt fire a single one........ Yet they are being labelled murderers.

His unit bar a few bad apples did an admirable job in N.Ireland.

RIP.

what a sad mind set to have.

Cody Pomeray · 09-09-2013 08:19PM

I don't have sympathy with any British army personnel, living or dead.

They are a collection of thugs who, in modern times, have mostly put themselves in perilous situations where they were actively offending core tenets of human equality, international law, and national sovereignty.

However, it would be wrong to overlook the fact that Loden was totally cleared of any wrongdoing by the Saville Inquiry.

Bloody Sunday was one of the most gruesome, grim days in the history of the modern Irish state and should not be used as some half wits' political football, who seek to ignore facts when they displease them.

Femme_Fatale · 09-09-2013 08:21PM

Gary Sprake wrote: »

There are a lot of posters on this thread who hate this man because he was part of an organisation which killed a lot of Catholics during the troubles . They must really hate the IRA then since the IRA killed more Catholics during the troubles than the British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries combined . Otherwise they would be hypocrites, right?

Oh whataboutery time. Always mandatory on these threads. Yes, maybe plenty of them do hate the IRA. How about yourself? Do you hate both?
Nobody should feel obliged to let anything "go", whether it was committed by paramilitaries of any persuasion or the security forces, especially those directly affected.

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Bloody Sunday was one of the most gruesome, grim days in the history of the modern Irish state and should not be used as some half wits' political football, who seek to ignore facts when they displease them.

It has become fashionable for some Harris/Cruise O'Brien inspired Irish people to be all revisionist about it - to show how "enlightened" and non ra-head they are. Because of course, if you are angered by Bloody Sunday, that means you're a big huge shinner.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 09-09-2013 08:28PM

Bloody Sunday was a disgrace and the cover up was an affront to justice.
That said I wont celebrate this mans death nor will mourn him, as to my knowledge he never ever either told the truth about his actions on that day nor showed any shred of remorse.
Perhaps it is time to let the dead bury the dead and move on, because only moving on will get us a better way of life.

Karl Stein · 09-09-2013 08:28PM

Gary Sprake wrote: »

the IRA killed more Catholics during the troubles than the British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries combined

Wrong.

Between British Security and Loyalists they killed over 1040 Catholics (the vast majority of them civilians)

According to CAIN Republican Paramilitaries killed 446 Catholics of which 163 were Republican Paramilitaries* killed by their own bombs or in feuding. Also according to CAIN 63 informers were killed. 446 - 163 = 283 (of which 63 were executed as suspected informers)

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/cgi-bin/tab3.pl

*For some strange reason CAIN cites 'Killed by the IRA' when IRA operatives or members of their families were killed in premature explosions.

steddyeddy · 09-09-2013 08:55PM

On a different note Kenya is an extremely dangerous place for ex members of the British army. Did they know he was ex army?

ONeill2013 · 09-09-2013 10:53PM

this thread has resulted in me watching Cold Feet clips on youtube

gallag · 09-09-2013 11:15PM

I posted a thread on the bloody Friday bombs and payed homage to both sections of the community who were hurt/killed

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056997133/1

this was closed by a mod with this closing comment.

"The more we let threads like this run the more we let the cancer of this debate f*ck up AH for the regular poster who doesn't spend time point scoring over sectarian bullsh1t."

Is this forum bigoted? Have any threads about bloody Sunday been called a cancer? Not just memorial threads but even ones like this gloating on the death of an innocent old man?

Stay classy boards.ie

Karl Stein · 09-09-2013 11:23PM

gallag wrote: »

Is this forum bigoted? Have any threads about bloody Sunday been called a cancer? Not just memorial threads but even ones like this gloating on the death of an innocent old man?

In fairness Gallag it's widely accepted that the people killed on Bloody Friday were victims of a series of reckless and vicious bomb attacks carried out by paramilitaries - if the people who carried out the attacks had been apprehended they'd have spent time in prison for murder.

This is starkly contrasted by what happened on Bloody Sunday. The people murdered were branded terrorists and those who killed them were exonerated as fine upstanding members of the BA (until recently).

gallag · 09-09-2013 11:31PM

Charlie Rock wrote: »

In fairness Gallag it's widely accepted that the people killed on Bloody Friday were victims of a series of reckless and vicious bomb attacks carried out by paramilitaries - if the people who carried out the attacks had been apprehended they'd have spent time in prison for murder.

This is starkly contrasted by what happened on Bloody Sunday. The people murdered were branded terrorists and those who killed them were exonerated as fine upstanding members of the BA (until recently).

I was more pointing out the obvious mod bias, I also view bloody sunday as a terrible day, any body that believes that British soldiers shooting protesters on British streets is not a tragic event is a moron. Bloody sunday should always be remembered and I hope the mods never close threads talking about it but I am sure you can understand how shocked I was to be told talking about bloody friday is a cancer?!?!

Femme_Fatale · 09-09-2013 11:36PM

gallag wrote: »

I was more pointing out the obvious mod bias, I also view bloody sunday as a terrible day, any body that believes that British soldiers shooting protesters on British streets is not a tragic event is a moron. Bloody sunday should always be remembered and I hope the mods never close threads talking about it but I am sure you can understand how shocked I was to be told talking about bloody friday is a cancer?!?!

I remember it and I see where you're coming from, but it was at the time of a rash of threads about Northern Ireland which were causing ructions (as ever) so the mod didn't want it happening again; not that a discussion about Bloody Friday is a cancer.
Depends on what point of view you're coming from: hardline republicans here accuse the mods of being unionist, "west Brit" etc.

As a person who can understand non violent, non sectarian/bigoted, non whataboutery, non revisionist perspectives of all persuasions, I think the mods seem pretty impartial when it comes to Northern Ireland.

gallag · 09-09-2013 11:47PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I remember it and I see where you're coming from, but it was at the time of a rash of threads about Northern Ireland which were causing ructions (as ever) so the mod didn't want it happening again; not that a discussion about Bloody Friday is a cancer.
Depends on what point of view you're coming from: hardline republicans here accuse the mods of being unionist, "west Brit" etc.

As a person who can understand non violent, non sectarian/bigoted, non whataboutery, non revisionist perspectives of all persuasions, I think the mods seem pretty impartial when it comes to Northern Ireland.

Yeah I guess thats a good point, just thought that on the anniversary of bloody friday a thread would be warranted, just like the bloody sunday threads, it should have been easy to separate that thread from all the other nonsense.

Mr Tibbs · 09-09-2013 11:48PM

I wonder did his killers claim this old man was an armed and dangerous terrorist and that they only returned fire when fired upon. Well the truth will never be known now.

humanji · 10-09-2013 07:45AM

gallag wrote: »

Yeah I guess thats a good point, just thought that on the anniversary of bloody friday a thread would be warranted, just like the bloody sunday threads, it should have been easy to separate that thread from all the other nonsense.

If you have a problem with a mod action, PM the mod. Don't have a hiss fit on another thread.

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2013 08:18AM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

They are a collection of thugs who, in modern times, have mostly put themselves in perilous situations where they were actively offending core tenets of human equality, international law, and national sovereignty..

When you say modern times, are we talking what, 30 years? 50 years?

Do you consider the first gulf war in that list? Or Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia?

How about Sierra Leone and Afghanistan?

It's nice to be self righteous when other people are brave enough to do the world's dirty work.

bumper234 · 10-09-2013 08:22AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Pity it didn't happen to him years ago.

The world is a better place without murderers like him around.

One wonders if you would type the same words if it had been Gerry Adams who had been killed?

Focus_sligo · 10-09-2013 09:17AM

bumper234 wrote: »

One wonders if you would type the same words if it had been Gerry Adams who had been killed?

Yes people may wonder. However, this thread is about a man who was involved in one of the darkest days in the history of Ireland. It's a debate on him, and his death.

It's not a thread for the normal mudslinging and whataboutery that normally happens on threads about the troubles. Cannot see how Gerry Adams is relevant to this thread other than you may wish to stir it up

bumper234 · 10-09-2013 10:56AM

Focus_sligo wrote: »

Yes people may wonder. However, this thread is about a man who was involved in one of the darkest days in the history of Ireland. It's a debate on him, and his death.

It's not a thread for the normal mudslinging and whataboutery that normally happens on threads about the troubles. Cannot see how Gerry Adams is relevant to this thread other than you may wish to stir it up

Well Gerry Adams was the commander of the IRA when so many innocent unarmed civilians were murdered so it stands to reason that as commander he was also responsible for the murders no?

Bloody Sunday commander shot dead in Kenya

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