Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Awesomeness · 05-09-2013 08:00PM

Looper007 wrote: »

That's not going to be a good match. Long ball's all the way.

No but Id watch Ireland play in Tiddlywinks. Heading to the game and excited by it.

Theres another thread for that though.

I think all the young lads will be stuck with carling cup and maybe some fa cup games this year. If we are up challenging then wont be using them and we are pretty well stocked in midfield especially.

I do feel bad for Frimpong. I say someonce calling him benchwarmer on twitter the other day . His response "No shame in sitting on the bench for a great club like arsenal, you should try it sometime".

Clearly loves the club I just dont think hes up to the standard needed

Alfred Borden · 05-09-2013 08:05PM

around 25 games to january, excluding internationals. think we have enough to be in a decent position in the league come then and qualify to next stage of champions league, but our reserves wont have enough i fear to make it far in the league cup.

Awesomeness · 05-09-2013 08:09PM

Raf32 wrote: »

around 25 games to january, excluding internationals. think we have enough to be in a decent position in the league come then and qualify to next stage of champions league, but our reserves wont have enough i fear to make it far in the league cup.

Not sure at the moment our carling cup team could be something like
Viviano
Monreal Vermalean Sagna Flamini
Rosicky Frimpong zelalam
Ryo Sanogo Gnabry

If we get past west brom it may depend on the draw then. Throw bendy boots eisfield bellerin in there as options till we get a few more back.

Radharc na Sleibhte · 05-09-2013 08:30PM

Booked the dortmund game, anyone got any hotel recommendations?
Normally stay in travelodge kings cross the last 50 times and sick of it.
Something on picadilly line preferably.

Alfred Borden · 05-09-2013 08:31PM

Awesomeness wrote: »

Not sure at the moment our carling cup team could be something like
Viviano
Monreal Vermalean Sagna Flamini
Rosicky Frimpong zelalam
Ryo Sanogo Gnabry

If we get past west brom it may depend on the draw then. Throw bendy boots eisfield bellerin in there as options till we get a few more back.

yup agreed, hopefully get lower league opposition for a round or two then we should be ok.

Alfred Borden · 05-09-2013 08:33PM

Arsenal shareholder, Alisher Usmanov has sold his share in Facebook for £337m - making a "tenfold profit" in the process.
Cashing in on his investment, very smart businessman, wonder will he give up on us and eventually sell? Stan trying to appease fans now with Ozil and maybe one more in january.

.jacksparrow. · 05-09-2013 08:59PM

Trying to find cazorlas contract length can't see anything on it, anyone know how long it is?

Hope its not only 3 years, he's on 70k a week, think he should be offered a new one.

brianregan09 · 05-09-2013 09:09PM

Thats where the problem might come with Ozil when other players contracts come up for renawal are they gonna ask Ozil money or thereabouts

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 05-09-2013 09:13PM

Nice visual representation of the squad here:

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EuropeanSon · 05-09-2013 09:16PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Thats where the problem might come with Ozil when other players contracts come up for renawal are they gonna ask Ozil money or thereabouts

Don't think any of them will expect Ozil money. They know they can't get that.

.jacksparrow. · 05-09-2013 09:18PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Don't think any of them will expect Ozil money. They know they can't get that.

Santi could!

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 09:21PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Nice visual representation of the squad here:

It's missing TGSEL!

05-09-2013 09:23PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Arsenal shareholder, Alisher Usmanov has sold his share in Facebook for £337m - making a "tenfold profit" in the process.
Cashing in on his investment, very smart businessman, wonder will he give up on us and eventually sell? Stan trying to appease fans now with Ozil and maybe one more in january.

Only speculating but i would predict that he will stay on given that he seems a huge huge football fan though the scenario you described is also a possibility if the Arsenal board continue to freeze him out and treat him like they are treating him. He will either make a run for power or divest and wash his hands of us.

David Dein is a crucial fulcrum in all of this as he is the chairman of Red Holdings (Usmanov and Moshiri's holding company). He will do his utmost to keep the lads investment intact and given that Arsenal are in a good position financially off the field and even now perhaps competitively on the field, there is a possibility that he will stay and watch his share price grow.

I wouldn't like to see him get too much power ala Abramovich or the likes of Vincent Tan at Cardiff and the Crazy Egyptian at Hull, but i think he could be a very very useful ally in terms of expertise he could bring. His input and stature deserves more respect from the Arsenal board and in particular i would welcome David Dein back to the fold. The board needs more diversity and less groupthink. Singing from the same hymn sheet is all very well and good but you need a broader range of ideas at the table.

I love the fact that Arsenal pay for themselves and its a great week to be a Gooner with Ozil arriving at the club. This has came by the funds that Arsenal have earned which makes it all the sweeter. Ozil himself deserves great credit for having the courage and vision to take the risk when he could have won instant trophies and earned lots more money elsewhere. It shows he is a grounded young man that likes a challenge amongst other things.

That all said, the board need to loosen the shackles a bit more. We definitely need more football men involved with recruitment. Gazidis might be well got with the likes of Coca-Cola but when it comes to buying Suarez we need a man can relate to him more.

Arsene Wenger has too much to do...he needs a man who he trusts and who he selects personally that can come in and help him with this end of things but he does also need to give this person (Vieira?, Bergkamp?, perhaps even promote Grimandi?) an extra length of cat gut to reel the big fish in. No more of this digging in for the sake of an extra 2m, etc

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 09:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Only speculating but i would predict that he will stay on given that he seems a huge huge football fan though the scenario you described is also a possibility if the Arsenal board continue to freeze him out and treat him like they are treating him. He will either make a run for power or divest and wash his hands of us.

David Dein is a crucial fulcrum in all of this as he is the chairman of Red Holdings (Usmanov and Moshiri's holding company). He will do his utmost to keep the lads investment intact and given that Arsenal are in a good position financially off the field and even now perhaps competitively on the field, there is a possibility that he will stay and watch his share price grow.

I wouldn't like to see him get too much power ala Abramovich or the likes of Vincent Tan at Cardiff and the Crazy Egyptian at Hull, but i think he could be a very very useful ally in terms of expertise he could bring. His input and stature deserves more respect from the Arsenal board and in particular i would welcome David Dein back to the fold. The board needs more diversity and less groupthink. Singing from the same hymn sheet is all very well and good but you need a broader range of ideas at the table.

I love the fact that Arsenal pay for themselves and its a great week to be a Gooner with Ozil arriving at the club. This has came by the funds that Arsenal have earned which makes it all the sweeter. Ozil himself deserves great credit for having the courage and vision to take the risk when he could have won instant trophies and earned lots more money elsewhere. It shows he is a grounded young man that likes a challenge amongst other things.

That all said, the board need to loosen the shackles a bit more. We definitely need more football men involved with recruitment. Gazidis might be well got with the likes of Coca-Cola but when it comes to buying Suarez we need a man can relate to him more.

Arsene Wenger has too much to do...he needs a man who he trusts and who he selects personally that can come in and help him with this end of things but he does also need to give this person (Vieira?, Bergkamp?, perhaps even promote Grimandi?) an extra length of cat gut to reel the big fish in. No more of this digging in for the sake of an extra 2m, etc

Usmanov is a convicted criminal who made his money because of his connections to Putin and Uzbek mafia (famous for heroin production). Under no circumstances should he be let have any input into the running of the club!

05-09-2013 09:36PM

Awesomeness wrote: »

No but Id watch Ireland play in Tiddlywinks. Heading to the game and excited by it.

Theres another thread for that though.

I think all the young lads will be stuck with carling cup and maybe some fa cup games this year. If we are up challenging then wont be using them and we are pretty well stocked in midfield especially.

I do feel bad for Frimpong. I say someonce calling him benchwarmer on twitter the other day . His response "No shame in sitting on the bench for a great club like arsenal, you should try it sometime".

Clearly loves the club I just dont think hes up to the standard needed

To be fair to the chap though he was a raw talent to begin with but the 3 bad knee injuries really really f*cked him up. Still young and interestingly enough Wenger has kept him around so he must see something in him. Fulham were dying to sign him for one.....Hopefully this league cup campaign can kick start something for him. I for one am not giving up on him just yet

If he gets a run in the team then like Aaron Ramsey, it could change everything.

05-09-2013 09:39PM

the untitled user wrote: »

Usmanov is a convicted criminal who made his money because of his connections to Putin and Uzbek mafia (famous for heroin production). Under no circumstances should he be let have any input into the running of the club!

Fair enough but he did make one good proposal with the rights issue and that the Arsenal shareholders should be dipping their hands into some of their very deep pockets to raise transfer funds. I dont see any problem with that. Its like owning a car, you pay to maintain it.

Marty McFly · 05-09-2013 09:45PM

the untitled user wrote: »

Usmanov is a convicted criminal who made his money because of his connections to Putin and Uzbek mafia (famous for heroin production). Under no circumstances should he be let have any input into the running of the club!

In all honesty I couldn't care less, show me a big time business man who isn't corrupt be easier to find an honest politician; ) plus a lot of the things said against him are alleged; )

Once the club is ran well and performs on the pitch is my main concern.

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 09:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough but he did make one good proposal with the rights issue and that the Arsenal shareholders should be dipping their hands into some of their very deep pockets to raise transfer funds. I dont see any problem with that. Its like owning a car, you pay to maintain it.

The only reason Usmanov is a shareholder in the club is that, like Ambramovich did with Chelsea, he wants to use the club to soften his international image. He's making statements like this so naive people like yourself read those articles and think 'he can't be too bad if he saying xyz".

Before he had any dealings with Arsenal the only thing you heard about Usmanov in the western media was the latest act of racketeering or bribery he was alleged to have committed. Now all that **** is swept under the carpet because of a) the headlines his Arsenal dealings generate and b) the army of defamation lawyers he employs to suppress any kind of investigative journalism into his dealings.

Under absolutely no circumstances should he be let near the club! He goes against every single principle the club stands for!

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 09:48PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

In all honesty I couldn't care less, show me a big time business man who isn't corrupt be easier to find an honest politician; ) plus a lot of the things said against him are alleged; )

Once the club is ran well and performs on the pitch is my main concern.

You don't get it do you? He doesn't give a **** about the club, he's just using it to achieve his own goals. what happens when he attains those goals? What happens if he finds a better way to raise his profile? What if he just decides he's had enough of the club and let us go to the wall?

Honestly... with those kind of statements, you haven't a ****ing clue!

wonga77 · 05-09-2013 09:49PM

Maybe its common knowledge so pardon my ignorance, but how do you know so much about Usmanov's private dealings?

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 09:56PM

wonga77 wrote: »

Maybe its common knowledge so pardon my ignorance, but how do you know so much about Usmanov's private dealings?

Because I googled his name once when I first heard he'd bought shares. Now every single search result is about his Arsenal dealings, but back then... maybe try add in the word 'crimes' and you'll get an idea.

His lawyers seem to have been effective. I can't find anymore any of the damning articles I read about him at the time.

Anyway, one example I do remember of the top of my head... he closed down an entire hosting service before because of some content they hosted that detailed his alleged racketeering. You don't do that kind of thing unless you ahve something to hide.

wonga77 · 05-09-2013 09:59PM

the untitled user wrote: »

Because I googled his name once when I first heard he'd bought shares. Now every single search result is about his Arsenal dealings, but back then... maybe try add in the word 'crimes' and you'll get an idea.

His lawyers seem to have been effective. I can't find anymore any of the damning articles I read about him at the time.

Anyway, one example I do remember of the top of my head... he closed down an entire hosting service before because of some content they hosted that detailed his alleged racketeering. You don't do that kind of thing unless you ahve something to hide.

christ lad be careful, you'll get boards shut down;)

Marty McFly · 05-09-2013 09:59PM

the untitled user wrote: »

You don't get it do you? He doesn't give a **** about the club, he's just using it to achieve his own goals. what happens when he attains those goals? What happens if he finds a better way to raise his profile? What if he just decides he's had enough of the club and let us go to the wall?

Honestly... with those kind of statements, you haven't a ****ing clue!

Haha untwist your knickers there darling.

If you read my post you would have realised I don't care about the people who own the clubs private lives as long as the club is run the correct way. Which is what yo you seem to have an issue with. Plus all your doing your doing is speculating none of us know for sure if he really cares about the club or not.

Your talking nonsense. Arsenal being successful and being run right is my main concern.

EuropeanSon · 05-09-2013 10:02PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Santi could!

No, he couldn't. Santi is a fantastic player, but Ozil is a level above.

05-09-2013 10:04PM

the untitled user wrote: »

The only reason Usmanov is a shareholder in the club is that, like Ambramovich did with Chelsea, he wants to use the club to soften his international image. He's making statements like this so naive people like yourself read those articles and think 'he can't be too bad if he saying xyz".

Before he had any dealings with Arsenal the only thing you heard about Usmanov in the western media was the latest act of racketeering or bribery he was alleged to have committed. Now all that **** is swept under the carpet because of a) the headlines his Arsenal dealings generate and b) the army of defamation lawyers he employs to suppress any kind of investigative journalism into his dealings.

Under absolutely no circumstances should he be let near the club! He goes against every single principle the club stands for!

Well look tbf you do make good points and no one of his reputation should be involved in Arsenal. I would agree that i felt on other occasions its not his place to be naming who Arsenal should sign like he did when he stated 'we should sign Rooney' during the summer.

But on the rights issue, i felt there could be something in that idea. While Usmanov himself mightnt be not ideal someone else could be that might not necessarily agree with the boards transfer policies.

I think the Arsenal board need to be more open to new ideas instead of this closed book. Kroenke's methods wont exactly guaranteee long term sustainability either if the club continue to be stripped of its assets and no reinivestment. Ozil being the exception, the club now needs to keep the promise they undoubtedly made to him that we will be competing for trophies. If they dont and go back to their selling of players then that will do as much damage to the club as any crazy owner could

.jacksparrow. · 05-09-2013 10:07PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

No, he couldn't. Santi is a fantastic player, but Ozil is a level above.

Well he deserves more than 70k a week.

Ed Winchester · 05-09-2013 10:09PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well he deserves more than 70k a week.

70k + £1

EuropeanSon · 05-09-2013 10:09PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well he deserves more than 70k a week.

Yeah, that's true. But that's not what we were talking about.

the untitled user · 05-09-2013 10:09PM

wonga77 wrote: »

christ lad be careful, you'll get boards shut down;)

Fair point :pac: Though he can't shut down boards over reporting facts:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/21/digitalmedia.politicsandthemedia

05-09-2013 10:13PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

In all honesty I couldn't care less, show me a big time business man who isn't corrupt be easier to find an honest politician; ) plus a lot of the things said against him are alleged; )

Once the club is ran well and performs on the pitch is my main concern.

To be fair to untitled user, for every Chelsea there is also an Anzhi so i could see his concerns certainly if Usmanov was to obtain too much power. He should be kept at arms length. I'd like Dein back but im not so sure id like him back under the banner of some oligarch

It would seem Dein knows Usmanov through Moshiri who is London based.

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