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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14 Mod request post#5808

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    I think a couple of the people answering post here too.

    You can't just leave it like that.

    Do expand, do, do.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    K-9 wrote: »
    It was never his strongest point, but I recall listening to an ex player on about a serious injury, (can't remember who it was) saying how there's a moment in a game where the player goes in for a 50/50 tackle, aces it and no longer is nervy about straining the injury. It's a psychological thing.

    The best example I can think of is Karl Lacey for Donegal during the Summer, came back, got another injury, wasn't the same both times. It needs to be managed by the player and medical team, I'd say the Summer break was a big benefit to Lucas. I've seen signs in the last couple of games that he is trying to be more creative, that was something he was doing before the injuries, developing his game into not just being a DM.

    I understand that point alright, i wasnt really referring to it though. I think he is already back in terms of going in for physical stuff without another thought. I just noticed in a few games recently that any time he tries something that isnt a basic pass he has been giving the ball away a fair bit. He hasnt done it often but going back to the time i was referring to, his best form, he was doing this much better.

    I remember the time we beat Fulham 5-2 away and he made 2 incisive passes for the first 2 goals in the first 7 mins. He took more responsibility because we had lads like Flanagan starting left back that night, Spearing and Shelvey in midfield, Gerrard out injured (like he was for most of the season) etc. He needs to get back to this point in form to convince me we dont need a new starting player in this position. All the hassling/tackling etc is fine but it needs to go up a level for me to get us into the top 4.

    All of that is in isolation, of course others need to improve too over the whole season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Grayditch wrote: »
    It's been a while since Toure was a DM, right? Read something about Sakho being alright in the position, anyone know about that?

    I think Ilori could play there. Has the pace to cover the pitch, and the defensive mindset, and seems good on the ball. I would think Toure or Sakho would only work if we were trying to see out a game, almost another CB sitting in front...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Dickerty wrote: »
    I think Ilori could play there. Has the pace to cover the pitch, and the defensive mindset, and seems good on the ball. I would think Toure or Sakho would only work if we were trying to see out a game, almost another CB sitting in front...

    In a couple of years, maybe.

    There's any amount of players who 'could' play there, depends what your own personal outlook is though. Illori has played the same amount of senior games as Alberto in any top division, a dozen. Neither of these lads are near ready to start in this team imo save for an injury crisis where there are no other options at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,610 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Ilori will need to be loaned out for at least a season before he plays for us. Alberto the same; Sterling probably needs it too.

    If Lucas is out for a period we'll pay a price for it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,681 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    truth be told, a lack of a proper DM to challenge Lucas is the big mistake of the transfer window.

    if Rodgers thinks Henderson, Allen or Gerrard can do the job he does if he does get injured, he's going to get a very rude awakening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    SlickRic wrote: »
    truth be told, a lack of a proper DM to challenge Lucas is the big mistake of the transfer window.

    if Rodgers thinks Henderson, Allen or Gerrard can do the job he does if he does get injured, he's going to get a very rude awakening.

    And it wont be for the want of people telling him it, especially on this very thread. ;)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    SlickRic wrote: »
    truth be told, a lack of a proper DM to challenge Lucas is the big mistake of the transfer window.

    if Rodgers thinks Henderson, Allen or Gerrard can do the job he does if he does get injured, he's going to get a very rude awakening.

    I don't think Rodgers thinks that any of the current midfielders are possible long term cover for Lucas. He was never gonna fix all the positions that need strenghtening in one transfer window. Short term we can stick one of the centre back there if needs be. I don't think its necessary to criticise him on this one. I'm sure the club with look into this in the January transfer window.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's the update on the Allen injury?

    He did an ok job covering for Lucas imo and is adequate backup.

    He actually had his best spell for us while playing that position. He's no Lucas but as a backup he'll do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I feel bad for Allen. I'm sure he didn't want to have the weight of being the defensive midfielder on him, but I admire him for doing his best.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Sakho is good on the ball so if Lucas got injured for you lads he could fill in that dm role.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Couldn't Henderson possibly do the DM role? Its basically what he does now albeit higher up the pitch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Grayditch wrote: »
    I feel bad for Allen. I'm sure he didn't want to have the weight of being the defensive midfielder on him, but I admire him for doing his best.

    Just out of interest, why is Allen admired for doing his best but downing was abhorred for trying his best but both not being great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Couldn't Henderson possibly do the DM role? Its basically what he does now albeit higher up the pitch.


    The fact he is terrible at tackling should rule him out fairly quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Couldn't Henderson possibly do the DM role? Its basically what he does now albeit higher up the pitch.

    I don't think he has the intelligence and game reading ability for it.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, why is Allen admired for doing his best but downing was abhorred for trying his best but both not being great.

    I suppose Allen is in his second season and is still young, Downing was a seasoned pro. Plus Allen is hardly admired nor was Downing really abhorred, no point sensationalising it Oranage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    The fact he is terrible at tackling should rule him out fairly quickly.

    Henderson has shown that he is a quick learner though, so it's not inconceivable that he could be developed.

    Lucas was not that type of midfielder when he first arrived, he has been made into that player by years of training and match practice...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, why is Allen admired for doing his best but downing was abhorred for trying his best but both not being great.

    Some people here do not admire Allen! But that aside, one player has always shown willing and is still a young player, the other is seasoned and never really convinced anyone that he had any fight in him. Downing was only any good when the team were on top, ask him to try to change a game and you'd have to find him first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Dickerty wrote: »
    Henderson has shown that he is a quick learner though, so it's not inconceivable that he could be developed.

    Lucas was not that type of midfielder when he first arrived, he has been made into that player by years of training and match practice...



    Not sure Henderson has shown he is quick learner really. He just has a bit more confidence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The official squad list

    Seniors (home grown or not)
    Agger, Daniel Munthe (No)
    Allen, Joseph Michael (Yes)
    Aspas Juncal, Iago (No)
    Cissokho, Aly (No)
    Coates Nion, Sebastian (No)
    Gerrard MBE, Steven George (Yes)
    Henderson, Jordan Brian (Yes)
    Johnson, Glen McLeod Cooper (Yes)
    Jones, Bradley (Yes)
    Sanchez Diaz, Jose Enrique (No)
    Kelly, Martin Ronald (Yes)
    Mignolet, Simon (No)
    Moses, Victor (Yes)
    Pezzini Leiva, Lucas (No)
    Sakho, Mamadou (No)
    Skrtel, Martin (No)
    Sturridge, Daniel (Yes)
    Suarez Diaz, Luis Alberto (No)
    Toure, Kolo Abib (No)

    U21s
    Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)
    Adorjan, Krisztian
    Alexander, Jack
    Baio, Yalany Cuino
    Bijev, Villyan
    Brannagan, Cameron
    Brewitt, Tom
    Burke, Nathan
    Cleary, Daniel
    Coady, Conor David
    Coutinho Correia, Phillippe
    Crump, Ryan
    Dunn, Jack
    Fernandez Saenz De Le Torre, Jesus Joaquin
    Firth, Andrew
    Flanagan, John
    Fulton, Ryan
    Hart, Samuel James
    Ibe, Jordon Femi Ashley
    Ilori, Tiago
    Jones, Lloyd Richard
    Kent, Ryan
    Lussey, Jordan
    Maguire, Joseph
    Marsh, William George
    McLaughlin, Ryan
    Mersin, Yusuf
    Morgan, Adam Joseph
    Mukendi, Henoc John
    Ngoo, Michael
    O'Hanlon, Alex Joseph
    Ojo, Oluwaseyi
    Paez, Rafael
    Pelosi, Marc
    Petersson, Kristoffer Paul
    Randall, Connor Steven
    Roberts, David
    Robinson, Jack
    Robles, Louis Gabriel
    Roddan, Craig
    Romero Alconchel, Luis Alberto
    Rossiter, Jordan
    Sama, Stephen
    Sinclair, Jerome Terence
    Smith, Bradley Shaun
    Sokolik, Jakub
    Sterling, Raheem Shaquille
    Teixeria, Joao Carlos
    Trickett Smith, Daniel Thomas
    Virtue Thick, Matthew Joseph
    Waldron, Dahrius Nathaniel
    Ward, Daniel
    Williams, Michael Jordan
    Wilson, Harry
    Wisdom, Andre
    Yesil, Samed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, why is Allen admired for doing his best but downing was abhorred for trying his best but both not being great.

    Allen isn't hopeless.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    What's the story about home grown players? I remember the panic on here a couple of years ago about making sure we met a certain percentage, nobody seems to mention it any more. FFP will probably go the same way.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Jesus...Agger's middle name is Munthe ....I hope he calls himself Daniel M Agger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Dickerty wrote: »
    Henderson has shown that he is a quick learner though, so it's not inconceivable that he could be developed.

    Lucas was not that type of midfielder when he first arrived, he has been made into that player by years of training and match practice...

    Was handy Alonso and Mascherano was around at the time too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Sanchez Diaz is the alter ego Jose Enrique dons when he plays FIFA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,449 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    hefferboi wrote: »
    I really liked Garcia as I said, but I think comparing him to Coutinho is a bit silly imo. From what I've seen so far, Coutinho can be a world beater. He's still young and needs to add consistency to his game and if he can do that he'll be world class imo. Garcia had the odd flashes of brilliance and could score goals that I think Coutinho can't. However he'll only ever be a cult hero.


    Basically the words in bold sum up my argument.

    I hate to go all extreme but people were hailing James McClean as a world beater after 4 or 5 months on the scene. I wouldn't automatically say that he was a level above other Irish wingers who had contributed more simply on the basis of half a season.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    SlickRic wrote: »
    truth be told, a lack of a proper DM to challenge Lucas is the big mistake of the transfer window.

    if Rodgers thinks Henderson, Allen or Gerrard can do the job he does if he does get injured, he's going to get a very rude awakening.

    Well, we can get away with it for a game or two possibly. An extended period of absence and we're up shit creek without a paddle.
    ush wrote: »
    I don't think Rodgers thinks that any of the current midfielders are possible long term cover for Lucas. He was never gonna fix all the positions that need strenghtening in one transfer window. Short term we can stick one of the centre back there if needs be. I don't think its necessary to criticise him on this one. I'm sure the club with look into this in the January transfer window.

    Momo on a free transfer would sort us out.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Just out of interest, why is Allen admired for doing his best but downing was abhorred for trying his best but both not being great.

    • Allen is young.
    • Allen isn't a seasoned pro as already said.
    • Allen isn't a DM and isn't accustomed to the the role before having to take on the responsibility last season in Lucas absence.
    • Allen stood up and was counted for in the Merseyside Derby and made Fellani his bitch. He earned my respect that day for not cowering against a player twice his side and vastly more experienced. Fellani eventually resorted to cheap fouling him because he was getting little to no change out of Allen.
    • Allen played on while being injured, which is admirable.. but more so ill advised by the medical staff.

    Downing didn't always try his best. The difference between his first season and his second day was light and day in terms of effort, but in saying that, the quality was still quite poor. His tracking back was his main asset last season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Mickalus


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10287266/Alan-Hansen-to-leave-Match-of-the-Day-next-summer-after-22-years-as-leading-BBC-pundit.html
    Alan Hansen to leave Match of the Day next summer after 22 years as leading BBC pundit
    Alan Hansen will end his 22-year association with Match of the Day next summer after revealing his intention to retire as the BBC’s leading pundit following the 2014 World Cup.

    Having been a central figure in the BBC’s football coverage since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, the former Liverpool captain will not pursue a new contract to remain on the programme when his deal expires next July.
    After rejecting alternative offers from Sky, ITV and even the chance to become manager of Manchester City during his two decades on Match of the Day, Hansen insists he will be leaving a programme that remains at the heart of football in this country.
    But having shelved plans to quit three years ago, the 58-year-old has confirmed to Telegraph Sport that this season will be his last.
    “I’m retiring from Match of the Day at the end of the season,” Hansen said. “I will have been there for 22 years and will be 59, so it’s the right time for me.
    “The guys at the BBC know me and I said, ‘Look, this is categorical. I’m leaving and nothing will make me change my mind’. I am contracted to do the World Cup and I will do that as it will be a good way to go out, but I have had a great run.

    “I’ve been in football for 41 years and I’m going out right at the top, just as I did at Liverpool. The plan was always that I would retire at 55. I kept going, but I finally decided to retire during Euro 2012.
    “I had just signed a two-year contract and felt that, by the end of it, I would have had enough. But I have worked for a great organisation with wonderful people on the most fantastic programme.”
    With regular viewing figures in excess of four million, and sometimes over five million, Match of the Day remains the most watched football programme in the country.
    It has borne the brunt of criticism in recent years, however, with the show’s format dismissed as stale and tired in comparison to the coverage offered by Sky Sports, particularly since the introduction of former Manchester United defender Gary Neville as its star pundit.
    But while Hansen acknowledges the quality and depth of Sky’s coverage, and the contribution of Neville and fellow pundits Jamie Carragher and Jamie Redknapp, the Scot insists that Match of the Day, and presenter Gary Lineker, are unfairly criticised.
    “The viewing figures over the last five years have been absolutely sensational but nobody seems to want to know about that,” Hansen said.
    “In terms of audience appreciation figures, they are through the roof as well.
    “There has definitely been a sea-change, though, because five or six years ago, it was dead. We were still doing the job, but the viewing figures were plummeting.
    "I’m not saying they would not have kept it going, but there was certainly concern over the viewing figures.
    “But because there was so much live football on television, it suddenly changed as people started going back to highlights and we started to see the kind of viewing figures we hadn’t seen for ten years.
    “Nobody knew that, though. The thing with the BBC is that there are not a lot of people out there willing to defend it, but the viewing figures speak for themselves.
    “Match of the Day is a totally different programme to the live football broadcasts and the real strength of it – and also its biggest weakness – is that every second is accounted for before you start.
    “The first game, you get 3½ minutes to analyse it, the second game you may get two minutes, but afterwards you get 30 seconds down to 10, so after that it is all sound bites. If you are asking for insight in 10 seconds, then you have to be a better man than me!
    “You could have the Manchester derby, Liverpool versus Manchester United or whatever, but 3½ minutes is 3½ minutes. You are not going to get eight minutes. It just isn’t going to happen.
    “But I’ve worked with arguably two of the best in Gary [Lineker] and Desmond Lynam. Des was the best, and is the best, because he was just an unbelievable presenter.
    “In the early days of Match of the Day, I don’t think I would have been working for 22 years had I gone on with another presenter because he was that good.
    “I could say virtually anything to him and he would come back with a line. And his knowledge of football was far greater than anything I thought it would be. He really did know the game.
    “When it comes to Gary, you will be three or four questions in, but he already knows question five, six or seven, because he is that good.
    “If you are at a World Cup and you have a bit of time, during half-time or at the end of the game, he is there in the debate.
    “But if you are doing Match of the Day and you have 3½ minutes, he will only be able to ask maybe two questions.
    “The analysis takes one minute 50, so he gets a supplementary question and that is it, but Gary comes into his own when he is given the time to do that.”
    When Hansen left the dressing room at Anfield for the broadcasting studio at the BBC in the early 1990s, his strong opinions and tactical insight marked the beginning of a new era of punditry following the more sedate approach of the likes of Jimmy Hill, Jimmy Greaves and Ian St John.
    And Hansen credits Neville with bringing a similarly refreshing approach to the industry since joining Sky at the start of last season.
    “Gary has done a great job at Sky,” Hansen said. “In this industry, when you are young, fresh and just out of the game, you are able to offer something different.
    “I always felt Andy Gray was great on Sky, he was a fantastic pundit, but Gary has come in and done incredibly well.
    “He has all the credentials to be right at the top because he was a top-class player, he won everything in sight, he has an opinion and he can talk.
    “But Sky are really good. I like Jamie Redknapp, I think he is very good, and Jamie Carragher has just started, so they have a great line-up.”
    Despite Sky’s resources, Hansen insists he has never been tempted to leave the BBC when offers have been on the table – even those from within the game.
    “Sky came in for me when Andy Gray nearly left to take the Everton job, almost 20 years ago,” Hansen said.
    “I was under contract at the BBC, so turned it down, but there were four occasions after that when I had big offers from ITV.
    “They came to me in 2006, just before I signed the biggest contract of my life at the BBC, and offered me fortunes. I was absolutely amazed by what they offered me, but I just felt I had been looked after by the BBC.
    “I also turned down Manchester City in 1995 after Brian Horton was sacked, simply because I never wanted to be a manager.
    “Francis Lee, who was chairman at the time, phoned me up and said he thought I would have fancied it, but while I told him I was flattered, I just said I wasn’t interested in managing a football club.
    “When I left Liverpool in 1991, I was in the frame for the job at Anfield, but if I wasn’t going to take the Liverpool job, I wasn’t going to take any job. It was as simple as that.
    “I stayed at Liverpool for 14 years because I was happy there and never made any noises about leaving and in all honesty, I have never wanted to leave the BBC. I have always wanted to stay there.
    “But everything comes to an end at some stage and this is definitely the right time for me.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    mike65 wrote: »
    U21s

    Dunn, Jack
    Jones, Lloyd Richard
    Kent, Ryan
    Lussey, Jordan
    McLaughlin, Ryan
    Ojo, Oluwaseyi
    Rossiter, Jordan
    Sinclair, Jerome Terence
    Teixeria, Joao Carlos
    Trickett Smith, Daniel Thomas
    Wilson, Harry
    Yesil, Samed

    Some real quality in there. Chirivella and Canos not listed yes, I guess still waiting for some form of international clearance. Both have started well, Chirivella always made captain of the U18s...

    Great to see so many first-teamers still eligable for U21 as well!


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    How is Yesil doing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    K-9 wrote: »
    What's the story about home grown players? I remember the panic on here a couple of years ago about making sure we met a certain percentage, nobody seems to mention it any more. FFP will probably go the same way.

    I think it was a reaction to the abysmal English performance at the last World Cup...so expect it to become an issue again next year.


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