The paradox that is Fight club

azezil · 19-04-2003 09:03PM #1

Fight club, a club set up outside 'the system', against 'the system', no rules, noone belongs, against organisation but they become organised, they develop structure and purpose... they become 'the new system'. O_o

azezil · 19-04-2003 09:22PM

In the pursuit of a new system, each power structure looks after its own interest, pursues its own vogue while abandoning its obligation of leadership and power. O_o

Clintons Cat · 19-04-2003 09:27PM

My take on it

Fight club was set up as a reaction to a system which marginalised a section of society.That section of society set up its own organisation with its own set of rules..."the first rule of fight club is...ect"
That organisation then through its success in recruitment began to challenge the society that marginalised its members in the first place.

azezil · 19-04-2003 09:43PM

Originally posted by Clintons Cat
My take on it

Fight club was set up as a reaction to a system which marginalised a section of society.

i disagree, fight club was made up of a diverse group of individuals, the resulting marginalisation came as a result of their anti-social behaviour.

Clintons Cat · 19-04-2003 09:52PM

Werent those who were drawn to/sought out the club driven by their own anti-social behaviour?

The club merely served as a focus for a base instinct and codified and legitimised said behaviour.

KdjaCL · 20-04-2003 10:27AM

Thought it was were gimps could beat the **** out of each other for fun.

kdjac

Victor · 20-04-2003 12:42PM

Maybe the point is how easy it is for people to follow a mad man.

Doodee · 20-04-2003 08:00PM

anti-social behaviour.

anything but, fight club was set up for the sole reason of socialising.
It was for dead beats, ppl who had lost everything, a way or release. Bob for example, in the end he dies, but fight club gave him something that he could truely live in, no longer a man with tits, but a man.

project mayhem was the organisation that was set up to counter the media driven lives of the "others"

it was simply a situation of if u werent part of the solution then you were part of the problem.

tbh, u cant make ur assumptions just from the film az, u have to read the book, cause the film is really only an adaptaion.

Karl Hungus · 20-04-2003 08:14PM

It seems that fight club went over your heads, kids...

Remember the part where Ed Norton is on about trying to find the this and that which defined him as a person? Well, the whole idea of Fight Club was that people became dissatisfied with their belongings, not being able to 'feel' everything though them, like pain. They needed it.

Take note of Brad Pitt's speach on how they've all been brought up to beleive that'd they'd all be movies stars and rock stars, ect... But they're not.

They needed to feel something real: Getting the **** beaten out of 'em!

yellum · 20-04-2003 08:24PM

Originally posted by azezil
no rules,

Fight Club had loads of rules. Its based on rules.

po0k · 23-04-2003 04:27PM

Originally posted by azezil
Fight club, a club set up outside 'the system', against 'the system', no rules, noone belongs, against organisation but they become organised, they develop structure and purpose... they become 'the new system'. O_o

CuLT · 23-04-2003 08:38PM

Originally posted by Victor
Maybe the point is how easy it is for people to follow a mad man.

I think Victor is on to something there. Maybe it's trivialising Judaism? An enlightened Moses, 10 commandments, a load of followers who are all individuals searching for the truth of the world, made uniform, caged by rules and ritual after time.

I'm not picking on the Jewish faith specifically here, I believe the Dogma ideal that faith is an idea that should not be disguised and garnished for people.

Clintons Cat · 24-04-2003 06:19PM

a closer comparision would be to the Freekorps of twenties Wiemar Germany,with their reputation for carousing and brawling that seeded more rigid organisations such as the SA.

neuro-praxis · 24-04-2003 07:27PM

Palahniuk himself says that it's not about much. People have taken it too seriously. Great book, great movie. That's enough. It's got a few deep and interesting sentiments, but it's not deep in and of itself. And it doesn't have a supreme message other than humans are a bunch of tossers. Nothing new there!

Oh, also a central message is how sexy Ed Norton is. And Brad Pitt. Both of them in the same movie is probably more than any red blooded woman could bear.

Clintons Cat · 26-04-2003 01:37AM

I dont think that anyone here is claiming the film/book has a supreme message.like all good works of art it is subject to several interpretations.All of which are equally valid.

The paradox that is Fight club

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