Season 5 Episode 12 : Rabid Dog

Rosy Posy · 02-09-2013 10:57AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Walt would never cook again, not with Hank on his tail. He made it clear to Lydia that he's out and wants nothing more to do with the business.

Jesse is almost certainly going after Walt's family. That's his weak spot. I doubt he would do anything to harm them physically, but he may threaten to reveal all to Walt Jr.

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

dark crystal · 02-09-2013 11:13AM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

Perhaps, but it just seems like a backward step for Walt to take as a character. I don't see why he would possibly run the risk of being caught red-handed by Hank making meth again.

I would imagine he'd get more co-operation from Todd and his uncles by portraying Jesse as a loose end that needs to be tied up. If he told them about Jesse being questioned by the police for throwing away the drug money, saying he's a loose cannon, they'd have no problem killing him to stop him from talking about their operation and Drew Sharpe's murder.

We already know that Jesse and Walt Jr. have at least one scene together this season, so my guess would be that Jesse wants to bring Walt down via his own family.

But this is Breaking Bad - who knows what direction it'll take!

Rosy Posy · 02-09-2013 11:22AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Perhaps, but it just seems like a backward step for Walt to take as a character. I don't see why he would possibly run the risk of being caught red-handed by Hank making meth again.

The scenario I envisaged would involve coercion. I don't doubt that they wouldn't have a problem offing Jesse but they also seem capable of using threats or force to get Walt to help them, especially since Lydia seems to be pulling the strings. Either way, I expect/hope that there will be some cooking in this season, it seems odd to have Breaking Bad without it.

Agreed that fessing up to Walt Jnr is a pretty devious plan of action and would really hit Walt where it hurts. I can't see Hank going for it all the same.

Kilkenny14 · 02-09-2013 11:36AM

Great episode again; I just wish we got to see what Skinny Pete and Badger's thoughts are on Babylon 5!

briany · 02-09-2013 11:58AM

Wow, all the characters are breaking bad now. Even Marie is online researching fatal poisons and fantasizing about using them! Got a serious whiff of assholery off of Hank in that episode. The bit where Gomez asks him what if Jesse's fear about the meet are real and Hank says if Jesse gets killed, then they've got it on tape. He says that with a glint in his eye. Chilling.

Jesse gets a raw deal no matter who he turns to. He's getting used and berated by Hank like he did with Walt. The difference being that Hank would throw Jesse away the minute he's served his purpose. Walt passed on that opportunity a long time ago.

Skylar is pretty much beyond the pale now as well. She seems to figure - wrongly - that one more body will see them through this nightmare of theirs. Coming into the home stretch that's an interesting deviation for her character but really, it's been coming for so long now. It doesn't feel like a reach to have her thinking this way at this point.

Looks like going into the final 4 we're looking at Walt v. Jesse being the meat of the conflict. I have to say, it's not the worst way to go out but for Jesse to turn into a smirking, action movie badass who is suddenly capable of outsmarting Walt would be some shallow writing. It's Breaking Bad so I can only assume that the situation will have more depth than that though.

cloudatlas · 02-09-2013 12:16PM

Wow Skylar and Marie out Heisenberged Heisenberg for a minute there. I still think that Marie is a liability and is going to get taken down somehow. Jesse will go after Walt's family, but to do that he has to get Hank on board maybe he'll get lydia involved somehow on the side? I loved the ending when the kid ran into the guys arms Breaking Bad has always been rich with little ironies!

Penn · 02-09-2013 12:24PM

Hank being so flippant about Jesse possibly being killed too showed him in a different light. Fair enough, they hate each other. But Walt had Hank over a barrel in last week's episode and Jesse is pretty much the only chance Hank has. Not caring if he got killed was really cold.

Also, I could have sworn there was going to be a double turn at the end. I thought after the guy's daughter ran into his arms at the end, when Walt made a call at the end he was going to call someone and reveal that he was going to have Jesse killed but that it was someone else there or nearby, not the big guy.

Surprisingly, after last week's episode where I felt sympathy for almost everyone except Walt, he was the most sympathetic in this week's episode.

ballsymchugh · 02-09-2013 12:39PM

watch walt's hand gestures when explaining the petrol on the carpet. he's the same when explaining anything in the whole lot, but it's the teacher in him. every time he's coming with a story, it's like he's explaining to a class.

banquo · 02-09-2013 12:45PM

LOVED the episode. Didn't mind the slower pace of it at all, seems that's how BB episodes usually go. Fast / slow / fast / slow.

It's great to see in the home stretch every character focussed. Hank doesn't give a **** about Jesse, but he is laser-focused on taking down Walter. Skylar will manipulate Walter into shaping the world as she wants it.

Edit: I never gave the Gomez-cartel predictions much heed, but I do after this episode.

dark crystal · 02-09-2013 01:15PM

Kilkenny14 wrote: »

Great episode again; I just wish we got to see what Skinny Pete and Badger's thoughts are on Babylon 5!

That's a minisode waiting to happen

penzo · 02-09-2013 01:36PM

Walt's lieing is really not working for him anymore and that was one of his most destructive weapons before, it's almost cringe worthy when he tries to lie to jessie or skyler lately.

infact it's getting to the point where nobody knows what to believe with him, even though he does want jessie to not have to die jessie can't trust him.

I found it surprising that they skipped Hank informing Gomez of what was going down.

I felt one of the reasons Hank was so cold about him not caring if jessie died or not was also from jessie lauding walt and saying he was smarter than him, I think that was something that really hit Hank hard, being so outsmarted in his area of expertise after thinking so little of walt before and making fun of his masculinity in early seasons.

Burky126 · 02-09-2013 01:37PM

I loved Jesse's line "He can't keep getting away with this."

Simple but a statement with a lot of weight in it.I too think the plan is now to implicate Walt into going back into the meth business.

I'm interested to know if we'll be seeing Lydia next week as she's another one who is a bit of a weak link.

Phazer · 02-09-2013 01:39PM

Great episode. With only 4 episodes left all screen time is precious and I feel like they aren't just putting filler in till the end.

Marie in particular is one to watch out for. I loved how her cleptomania works into her character so that her attempts to resolve situations centre around taking something eg. Holly and Walt Jr. But if anything happens to hank I really see her offing herself.

This was the second episode in a row where Walt Jr. has nearly brought me to tears!

banquo · 02-09-2013 01:39PM

A good point, particularly if he's caught doing business with guys who are running a meth operation.

Sinfonia · 02-09-2013 01:52PM

banquo wrote: »

Skylar will manipulate Walter into shaping the world as she wants it.

Yep, she's really become a Lady Macbeth, and Jesse is now Banquo come to think of it..!

oldyouth · 02-09-2013 01:55PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

That's the way I see it. The quality of the meth is down and Walt can sort it. That will be the price to take care of Jesse

Jesse on the other hand is the only one who knows as much about the 'Empire' as Walt. Will he offer to hand all that over to the uncle, effectively getting Walt 'where he lives'

nc6000 · 02-09-2013 02:13PM

banquo wrote: »

Edit: I never gave the Gomez-cartel predictions much heed, but I do after this episode.

What's this about? :eek:

DUBLINHITMAN · 02-09-2013 02:17PM

Bit annoyed the way jessie goes from calling walt the devil then to calling him out over the phone
where did he get the balls all of a sudden???

briany · 02-09-2013 02:28PM

nc6000 wrote: »

What's this about? :eek:

That sounds like a silly theory. Gomez a mole for the cartel. And Junior's a mole for his boyscout chapter.

What's Hank's endgame here? He's trying to collect evidence but he's doing so in a really unofficial capacity. He's keeping a witness in his home and sending him on dangerous meetings. Is he planning to collect enough evidence to drop off some killer dossier at some hypothetical point in the future? In a court, his own conduct would call things seriously into question.

Actually, in a way, I'm disappointed we won't see any sort of trial. t'Would be dramatic stuff. Probably not as dramatic as whatever we're in for, though.

Mr.Saturn · 02-09-2013 02:38PM

Jesse's meth-making skills, and their comparability to Heisenberg's, might end up coming in handy when dealing with the white-power fellas, or, well, Lydia.

briany · 02-09-2013 02:45PM

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

Jesse's meth-making skills, and their comparability to Heisenberg's, might end up coming in handy when dealing with the white-power fellas, or, well, Lydia.

I don't know if there's anything that could get Jesse to ever co-operate with Todd and the nazis. Not money, not letting him live, not killing Walt. I think the thought of ever working alongside Todd again would make Jesse physically ill.

grames_bond · 02-09-2013 03:50PM

I think jesse will get back into the business calling himself the real heisenberg. We all know walt is an ego maniac and he won't stand for it. That was even evident when hank was saying how much he carewd for jesse "he thinks you are ALMOST as good a cook as him"

jesse goes back into "the empire business" - diluting walts involvement and making him non existant - walts ego won't let hgim deal with this - all out war to end the series!

April O Neill · 02-09-2013 04:07PM

Nice to see Hank back in clear-headed investigative mode there with Jesse.

Hank Scorpio · 02-09-2013 04:12PM

April O Neill wrote: »

Nice to see Hank back in clear-headed investigative mode there with Jesse.

He's trying to save his own arse!

April O Neill · 02-09-2013 04:20PM

nuxxx wrote: »

He's trying to save his own arse!

Keep his job, you mean? If so, would you blame him?

Grimebox · 02-09-2013 04:33PM

Wow I'm really hating Walter in this episode so far. Complete scumbag

Penn · 02-09-2013 04:38PM

grames_bond wrote: »

I think jesse will get back into the business calling himself the real heisenberg. We all know walt is an ego maniac and he won't stand for it. That was even evident when hank was saying how much he carewd for jesse "he thinks you are ALMOST as good a cook as him"

jesse goes back into "the empire business" - diluting walts involvement and making him non existant - walts ego won't let hgim deal with this - all out war to end the series!

I was half thinking that too. Especially with the tagline for the season being "Remember my name". Could be that Jesse tries to take over Walt's reputation as Heisenberg.

Only trouble is, would Hank allow such a move? Hank really can't be involved in anything illegal now. Letting Jesse go back cooking could backfire too much. He already has Jesse's confession on tape. Might not be full proof of what Walt was doing, but enough to cancel out Walt's "confession" (as Walt didn't have any real proof about Hank being in charge other than them paying off his medical bills)

snausages · 02-09-2013 04:40PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

hank has the deadwood dvd box set

See, this causes all sorts of problems for me because I have to wonder if anyone ever noticed that Martha Bullock looks an awful lot like Skyler White and it causes all sorts of inconsistencies and paradoxes now I can't concentrate on it or enjoy anything ever again :mad:

Wacker The Attacker · 02-09-2013 04:40PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Wow Skylar and Marie out Heisenberged Heisenberg for a minute there. I still think that Marie is a liability and is going to get taken down somehow. Jesse will go after Walt's family, but to do that he has to get Hank on board maybe he'll get lydia involved somehow on the side? I loved the ending when the kid ran into the guys arms Breaking Bad has always been rich with little ironies!

Marie has always been a liability. Her Kleptomania, her acceptance of walts money etc etc

Jesse is already a dead man walking. Going after Walts family will just make that happen a little faster.

Will Hank turn on Jesse or vice versa? Given the coldness that Hank treats Jesse with it would be no surprise to see that relationship sour pretty quickly.

Now that we've seen pretty much everyone turn into a complete psycho I'm firmly in Walts corner.

Wacker The Attacker · 02-09-2013 04:41PM

snausages wrote: »

See, this causes all sorts of problems for me because I have to wonder if anyone ever noticed that Martha Bullock looks an awful lot like Skyler White and it causes all sorts of inconsistencies and paradoxes now I can't concentrate on it or enjoy anything ever again :mad:

Its the same person isnt it?

Season 5 Episode 12 : Rabid Dog

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