Season 5 Episode 12 : Rabid Dog

briany

Vague synopsis according to Wiki,

An unusual strategy starts to bear fruit, while plans are set in motion that could change everything.

I'm guessing the unusual strategy referred to is Walt's decision to issue Hank with a taped confession that implicates as the mastermind behind Walt's crimes and the plans set in motion are something to do with Lydia's operation. Initial lazy prediction but hey, whatever. Roll on Monday!

colinod0806

I wish every Sunday forever had a new Breaking Bad episode, it would make Mondays great.

I think Jesse will simply have second thoughts about burning the house, as opposed to Walt or someone else catching up with him.

Rosy Posy

I wonder if the episode title is a reference to the episode in season 4 'problem dog' where Jesse euphemistically refers to Gale as a problem dog who needed to be put down. Maybe Jesse is the rabid dog who needs to be euthanised for the greater good? In that same sequence Jesse comes clean to his NA group about being there to sell them drugs, maybe he will feel compelled to confess to Hank or someone else in authority now that his last ties of loyalty to Walt have been broken?

snausages

I take it promo 'spoilers' are fair game here.


It sounds to me in the latest clip that Jesse is talking to Walt Jr. in the house 'Mr. White is the devil'. Will be a watershed moment if that is the case, how low will Walt go?

Wacker The Attacker

colinod0806 wrote: »

I wish every Sunday forever had a new Breaking Bad episode, it would make Mondays great.

I think Jesse will simply have second thoughts about burning the house, as opposed to Walt or someone else catching up with him.

Any actions to the contrary will result in a cap being popped into his ass

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

I have a hunch the rabid dog is Todd...that lil polite sonovabeetch is gonna have saliva dripping from his jaws at some stage in the show and we're running out of episodes.

ceadaoin.

snausages wrote: »

I take it promo 'spoilers' are fair game here.


It sounds to me in the latest clip that Jesse is talking to Walt Jr. in the house 'Mr. White is the devil'. Will be a watershed moment if that is the case, how low will Walt go?

The actor who plays Walt jr has said that him and Aaron Paul finally have a scene together this season so this is probably it

briany

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The actor who plays Walt jr has said that him and Aaron Paul finally have a scene together this season so this is probably it

Given the cliffhanger we were left with last week, that almost feels like a spoiler. The most likely thing would be that Walt Jr. walks in and catches Jesse but of course it is Breaking Bad. I'm probably heading for wrongitude.

mathstalk

Has it been put up on Netflix yet ? Cough.

mutley18

mathstalk wrote: »

Has it been put up on Netflix yet ? Cough.

Just checked and nope not up yet.

ballsymchugh

it's only on now. everyone in the world seems to be, eh, watching it on, eh netflix and the like. baxtard buffering. only seems smooth for the ads. burger king have a french fry burger for $1!!

P_1

ballsymchugh wrote: »

it's only on now. everyone in the world seems to be, eh, watching it on, eh netflix and the like. baxtard buffering. only seems smooth for the ads. burger king have a french fry burger for $1!!

Aye, I've given up on it, it'll be up without the buffering and chip burger ads soon enough

Paully D

''Next time I'm going to get you where you really live''

Sounds promising.

Charlie19

plenty of twists and turns in that one..

No sugar, No cream and No milk.

Reiketsu

Okay I officially give up rooting for anyone in this show after that episode. I wonder what where Walt really lives could refer to? Money? His family?

Hank Scorpio

Good bit of filler there in the first 10 mins! Thought Jesse was going to change his mind about helping hank after looking at Walt's photo etc

Wonder what Jesse means by saying where Walt really lives. Sounds like a threat to his family

Royal Irish

nuxxx wrote: »

Thought Jesse was going to change his mind about helping hank after looking at Walt's photo

That was a photo of Skyler and Santa.

ballsymchugh

Royal Irish wrote: »

That was a photo of Skyler and Santa.

Walt in a santa costume.

Donegal Dan

Last time I stayed awake an extra hour till Crazy O' Clock to watch a show was when Lost was at its peak. This is top drawer television.

banquo

So tired...

Only a couple of episodes ago, I'd have said that the BrBa morality dictated that Walter had to die. But it seems now that everyone's as bad as him. Marie looking up untraceable poisens, Hank's acting fatherly to Jesse but having little regard for his life, Skyler pushing for the murder of the ''well if Walter kills this person he's well sealed his own dramatic fate'' character.

Vince Gilligan has been saying in interviews all season that the show is about how everyone has that darkness in them, it just needs the right circumstances to blossom.

Kirby

Hit him where he lives? He won't go after his money or his family guys. Come on! It's obvious! He'll go after his empire. Remember?

"Are we in the meth business or the money making business?" "I'm in the Empire business".

They'll catch him by luring him into cooking again. They have no evidence of past indiscretions but they can catch him cooking now if he comes out of retirement. That's what I think Jessie will try to do.

banquo

OOOOH you could well be right. I had assumed his family, but what if Jesse starts cooking with Todd's nutjob uncle? If Jesse agreed to cook for them in exchange for murdering Walter, then that would certainly contribute to the alone-in-the-world Walter we see in Live Free Or Die.

weemcd

Again fantastic episode, so much tension in the opening scene when Walt arrives back at his house, with the later revelation he had missed Jessie and Hank by seconds.

So many characters show their darkest sides in this episode, Skylar openly asks Walt to kill Jessie saying something along the lines of what's one more body... then we have Marie looking at the poison information online, unaware this is a parallel to Walt looking up poisons earlier in the show. We also see Hank is willing to do anything he can to catch Walt, not worried for Jessiech's safety he was willing to put him in direct danger to catch his man. Then we have the phonecall to Todd. This whole episode hinted strongly at death. The church bells at the end of the episode were very haunting.

Just got up early to watch this, fúck it might actually watch it again straight away :pac:

Mr E

Aaron Paul is going to get another BB Emmy next year.

April O Neill

banquo wrote: »

Marie looking up untraceable poisens

She should look into making ricin.

Episode not up yet on my Netflix.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hank has the deadwood dvd box set

Rosy Posy

I thought the opening scene was pretty humorous actually, Walt's absurdly tiny gun, his Starsky-and-Hutch-esque posturing. Despite being the great and powerful Heisenberg, he's still a goober at the end of the day. His cock and bull story about the petrol was so obviously fake that it was a relief that Walt Jnr called him out on it. I feel sorry for him, he's the only character (apart from Holly) who doesn't seem to have a bad bone in his body. I actually hope he never finds out the truth about his father, I'd hate to see his innocence shattered.

One thing that I thought about Marie's scene with the therapist (Dave?) was that the kind of things that she was saying- 'those poor kids, the baby', alluding to Walts 'little movie' and how what she had found out about Walt was the most reprehensible thing ever, might lead him to suspect that he is involved in child abuse/pornography. AFAIK if a therapist suspects this he is legally bound to alert the authorities. This could be a long shot but it might complicate things further to have Walt under investigation by another branch of the police.

It really feels like the beginning of the end now, the gloves are off with Hank, Marie and Skyler showing their inner ruthlessness when it comes to collateral damage. The ironic thing is that in this situation the only person who seems to genuinely care for Jesse's well being is Walt. Everyone else just sees him as a problem to be surmounted or a means to an end.

I wonder if Walt's involvement with the Nazi gang, presumably to take out Jesse before he harms him or his family, will be instrumental in his downfall?

All and all I think it was a good slow burn episode, IMO it didn't have the same tension as previous episodes but I also think that that was unsustainable. They moved the plot along and developed the characters and their relationships- Walt finally stopping bullsh!tting Skyler about the threat to their family, Hank and Jesse making an allegiance, Hank bringing Gomez onside. Its setting things up nicely for what should be an awesome finale!

Penn

Great episode. Couldn't compare to last week's but few episodes throughout the whole series could. They needed a slower episode to set more things up for the last few. And Hank bursting in and stopping Jesse was a really great moment. He seemed so defeated when we last saw him that having him burst in and convince Jesse to work with him really brought him back into it. Skyler suggesting that Walt should kill Jesse was another great moment. She's really turned.

Biggest question is: Where does Walt really live?

Is Jesse going to go after his money? Managing to take all the money and leaving Walt with nothing puts him back at square one with nothing to leave his family when he dies. But I can't see how Jesse and Hank would be able to find the money, because even Saul doesn't know.

Will he go after his reputation as Heisenberg? Knowing how ego-driven Walt is, doing something to tarnish the Heisenberg name could seriously mess with Walt's head.

Would Hank agree to go along with a plan that involved Skyler or Walt Jr.?

_LilyRose_

Rosy Posy wrote: »

One thing that I thought about Marie's scene with the therapist (Dave?) was that the kind of things that she was saying- 'those poor kids, the baby', alluding to Walts 'little movie' and how what she had found out about Walt was the most reprehensible thing ever, might lead him to suspect that he is involved in child abuse/pornography. AFAIK if a therapist suspects this he is legally bound to alert the authorities. This could be a long shot but it might complicate things further to have Walt under investigation by another branch of the police.

I was thinking the exact same thing, found myself thinking that if I were Dave I would be guessing something like this..!

Walt has become so good at lying that his 'lying voice' immediately gives him away...

There were so many twists and turns with everyone showing how ruthless they can be...couldn't believe when Walter phoned Todd at the end, I have lost any and all sympathy for him now. If Jesse doesn't make it out of this alive I will not be responsible for my actions lol

guttenberg

Great episode. Not much to add that's not already been mentioned, but did anyone else notice the lingering camera shot of Hank through the bars of the chair as he talks to Gomez after Jesse goes to the bathroom? Will Walts dvd be found and Hank ends up in jail accused of having a greater involvement than he actually did?

dark crystal

Kirby wrote: »

Hit him where he lives? He won't go after his money or his family guys. Come on! It's obvious! He'll go after his empire. Remember?

"Are we in the meth business or the money making business?" "I'm in the Empire business".

They'll catch him by luring him into cooking again. They have no evidence of past indiscretions but they can catch him cooking now if he comes out of retirement. That's what I think Jessie will try to do.

Walt would never cook again, not with Hank on his tail. He made it clear to Lydia that he's out and wants nothing more to do with the business.

Jesse is almost certainly going after Walt's family. That's his weak spot. I doubt he would do anything to harm them physically, but he may threaten to reveal all to Walt Jr.

Rosy Posy

dark crystal wrote: »

Walt would never cook again, not with Hank on his tail. He made it clear to Lydia that he's out and wants nothing more to do with the business.

Jesse is almost certainly going after Walt's family. That's his weak spot. I doubt he would do anything to harm them physically, but he may threaten to reveal all to Walt Jr.

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

dark crystal

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

Perhaps, but it just seems like a backward step for Walt to take as a character. I don't see why he would possibly run the risk of being caught red-handed by Hank making meth again.

I would imagine he'd get more co-operation from Todd and his uncles by portraying Jesse as a loose end that needs to be tied up. If he told them about Jesse being questioned by the police for throwing away the drug money, saying he's a loose cannon, they'd have no problem killing him to stop him from talking about their operation and Drew Sharpe's murder.

We already know that Jesse and Walt Jr. have at least one scene together this season, so my guess would be that Jesse wants to bring Walt down via his own family.

But this is Breaking Bad - who knows what direction it'll take!

Rosy Posy

dark crystal wrote: »

Perhaps, but it just seems like a backward step for Walt to take as a character. I don't see why he would possibly run the risk of being caught red-handed by Hank making meth again.

The scenario I envisaged would involve coercion. I don't doubt that they wouldn't have a problem offing Jesse but they also seem capable of using threats or force to get Walt to help them, especially since Lydia seems to be pulling the strings. Either way, I expect/hope that there will be some cooking in this season, it seems odd to have Breaking Bad without it.

Agreed that fessing up to Walt Jnr is a pretty devious plan of action and would really hit Walt where it hurts. I can't see Hank going for it all the same.

Kilkenny14

Great episode again; I just wish we got to see what Skinny Pete and Badger's thoughts are on Babylon 5!

briany

Wow, all the characters are breaking bad now. Even Marie is online researching fatal poisons and fantasizing about using them! Got a serious whiff of assholery off of Hank in that episode. The bit where Gomez asks him what if Jesse's fear about the meet are real and Hank says if Jesse gets killed, then they've got it on tape. He says that with a glint in his eye. Chilling.

Jesse gets a raw deal no matter who he turns to. He's getting used and berated by Hank like he did with Walt. The difference being that Hank would throw Jesse away the minute he's served his purpose. Walt passed on that opportunity a long time ago.

Skylar is pretty much beyond the pale now as well. She seems to figure - wrongly - that one more body will see them through this nightmare of theirs. Coming into the home stretch that's an interesting deviation for her character but really, it's been coming for so long now. It doesn't feel like a reach to have her thinking this way at this point.

Looks like going into the final 4 we're looking at Walt v. Jesse being the meat of the conflict. I have to say, it's not the worst way to go out but for Jesse to turn into a smirking, action movie badass who is suddenly capable of outsmarting Walt would be some shallow writing. It's Breaking Bad so I can only assume that the situation will have more depth than that though.

cloudatlas

Wow Skylar and Marie out Heisenberged Heisenberg for a minute there. I still think that Marie is a liability and is going to get taken down somehow. Jesse will go after Walt's family, but to do that he has to get Hank on board maybe he'll get lydia involved somehow on the side? I loved the ending when the kid ran into the guys arms Breaking Bad has always been rich with little ironies!

Penn

Hank being so flippant about Jesse possibly being killed too showed him in a different light. Fair enough, they hate each other. But Walt had Hank over a barrel in last week's episode and Jesse is pretty much the only chance Hank has. Not caring if he got killed was really cold.

Also, I could have sworn there was going to be a double turn at the end. I thought after the guy's daughter ran into his arms at the end, when Walt made a call at the end he was going to call someone and reveal that he was going to have Jesse killed but that it was someone else there or nearby, not the big guy.

Surprisingly, after last week's episode where I felt sympathy for almost everyone except Walt, he was the most sympathetic in this week's episode.

ballsymchugh

watch walt's hand gestures when explaining the petrol on the carpet. he's the same when explaining anything in the whole lot, but it's the teacher in him. every time he's coming with a story, it's like he's explaining to a class.

banquo

LOVED the episode. Didn't mind the slower pace of it at all, seems that's how BB episodes usually go. Fast / slow / fast / slow.

It's great to see in the home stretch every character focussed. Hank doesn't give a **** about Jesse, but he is laser-focused on taking down Walter. Skylar will manipulate Walter into shaping the world as she wants it.

Edit: I never gave the Gomez-cartel predictions much heed, but I do after this episode.

dark crystal

Kilkenny14 wrote: »

Great episode again; I just wish we got to see what Skinny Pete and Badger's thoughts are on Babylon 5!

That's a minisode waiting to happen

penzo

Walt's lieing is really not working for him anymore and that was one of his most destructive weapons before, it's almost cringe worthy when he tries to lie to jessie or skyler lately.

infact it's getting to the point where nobody knows what to believe with him, even though he does want jessie to not have to die jessie can't trust him.

I found it surprising that they skipped Hank informing Gomez of what was going down.


I felt one of the reasons Hank was so cold about him not caring if jessie died or not was also from jessie lauding walt and saying he was smarter than him, I think that was something that really hit Hank hard, being so outsmarted in his area of expertise after thinking so little of walt before and making fun of his masculinity in early seasons.

Burky126

I loved Jesse's line "He can't keep getting away with this."

Simple but a statement with a lot of weight in it.I too think the plan is now to implicate Walt into going back into the meth business.

I'm interested to know if we'll be seeing Lydia next week as she's another one who is a bit of a weak link.

Phazer

Great episode. With only 4 episodes left all screen time is precious and I feel like they aren't just putting filler in till the end.

Marie in particular is one to watch out for. I loved how her cleptomania works into her character so that her attempts to resolve situations centre around taking something eg. Holly and Walt Jr. But if anything happens to hank I really see her offing herself.

This was the second episode in a row where Walt Jr. has nearly brought me to tears!

banquo

A good point, particularly if he's caught doing business with guys who are running a meth operation.

Sinfonia

banquo wrote: »

Skylar will manipulate Walter into shaping the world as she wants it.

Yep, she's really become a Lady Macbeth, and Jesse is now Banquo come to think of it..!

oldyouth

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I wondered if by involving himself with Todd's uncle and the Nazis, who are now running his meth business and responsible for the quality of the product, they might agree to help him out of the Jesse situation in return for doing some cooking consultancy. I imagine they can be persuasive.

That's the way I see it. The quality of the meth is down and Walt can sort it. That will be the price to take care of Jesse

Jesse on the other hand is the only one who knows as much about the 'Empire' as Walt. Will he offer to hand all that over to the uncle, effectively getting Walt 'where he lives'

nc6000

banquo wrote: »

Edit: I never gave the Gomez-cartel predictions much heed, but I do after this episode.

What's this about? :eek:

DUBLINHITMAN

Bit annoyed the way jessie goes from calling walt the devil then to calling him out over the phone
where did he get the balls all of a sudden???

briany

nc6000 wrote: »

What's this about? :eek:

That sounds like a silly theory. Gomez a mole for the cartel. And Junior's a mole for his boyscout chapter.

What's Hank's endgame here? He's trying to collect evidence but he's doing so in a really unofficial capacity. He's keeping a witness in his home and sending him on dangerous meetings. Is he planning to collect enough evidence to drop off some killer dossier at some hypothetical point in the future? In a court, his own conduct would call things seriously into question.

Actually, in a way, I'm disappointed we won't see any sort of trial. t'Would be dramatic stuff. Probably not as dramatic as whatever we're in for, though.

Mr.Saturn

Jesse's meth-making skills, and their comparability to Heisenberg's, might end up coming in handy when dealing with the white-power fellas, or, well, Lydia.