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What is the story with ICTS security?

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  • #32
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    hansfrei wrote: »
    Report him after you return.

    Report him for what? Doing his job? Can't understand the Irish mentality with being asked questions by security people. Op was asked a couple of security questions, answered them to the satisfaction of the security person and was sent on his way after a minor delay.

    What would the people here who are claiming they would ask for names, badge numbers, or say they would refuse to answer the questions do when travelling BACK from the states? You ever been pulled over by US security? Try giving the TSA that attitude and then see how long you are delayed.


  • #33
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    bumper234 wrote: »
    What would the people here who are claiming they would ask for names, badge numbers, or say they would refuse to answer the questions do when travelling BACK from the states? You ever been pulled over by US security? Try giving the TSA that attitude and then see how long you are delayed.
    I think the issue here is that, from the OP, they never identified themselves as part of official airport security. They could have been anyone.


  • #34
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Report him for what? Doing his job? Can't understand the Irish mentality with being asked questions by security people. Op was asked a couple of security questions, answered them to the satisfaction of the security person and was sent on his way after a minor delay.

    What would the people here who are claiming they would ask for names, badge numbers, or say they would refuse to answer the questions do when travelling BACK from the states? You ever been pulled over by US security? Try giving the TSA that attitude and then see how long you are delayed.

    Here we go. Unless he is PSA registered its not his job. Its just like getting a taxi thats not licensed to be a taxi. How hard is it to understand?


  • #35
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,906 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I think the issue here is that, from the OP, they never identified themselves as part of official airport security. They could have been anyone.

    Just some weirdo who somehow enters an airport and scans passports.


  • #36
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    TSA in US has a long record of privacy breaches, stealing property and minor offences.
    Can't wait to get the dirt on ICTS.


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  • #37
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I think the issue here is that, from the OP, they never identified themselves as part of official airport security. They could have been anyone.

    And they probably were


  • #38
    Local-womanizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    I love the way the OP is getting abuse for not just keeping quiet and continuing on his way, yet when he asked this security official what the story was he got an ignorant reply.

    Surely he actually could have answered the OPs question. No need to be an ass about it.


  • #39
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    kneemos wrote: »
    Just some weirdo who somehow enters an airport and scans passports.
    Ever hear of forged duplicate passports? That's how they can get valid details.


  • #40
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    hansfrei wrote: »
    Here we go. Unless he is PSA registered its not his job. Its just like getting a taxi thats not licensed to be a taxi. How hard is it to understand?

    We don't know if he was PSA registered.

    TheChizler wrote: »
    I think the issue here is that, from the OP, they never identified themselves as part of official airport security. They could have been anyone.

    Nowhere in the OP does it state the guy didn't identify himself as part of airport security.


  • #41
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Nowhere in the OP does it state the guy didn't identify himself as part of airport security.
    He just said some guy in a suit, who wouldn't explain what he was doing. I imagine if he identified himself off the bat the OP wouldn't have an issue and this thread wouldn't exist. Can the OP confirm?


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  • #42
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,906 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    He just said some guy in a suit, who wouldn't explain what he was doing. I imagine if he identified himself off the bat the OP wouldn't have an issue and this thread wouldn't exist. Can the OP confirm?

    No he didn't.The op said he had a problem with the sticker they put on his passport.He also said there was loads more of these guys throughout the airport,so obviously security.


  • #43
    Elbaston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Elbaston


    Was it a pokemon sticker ?

    I'd guess this has something to do with the hurricane of bodies and backpacks that is Dublin airport departures security at certain times (esp on a Monday).

    If you haven't flown in a while, or if you're flying Ryanair - be extra early, departures is straight in and to the left. (in a hidden area with no signs to tell you where)
    They usually have a mile long queue of people boarding in 5 minutes and with faces on them that look like they're seconds from sharting themselves.
    (I was one of them)

    So then they just shovel you all through with a half hearted, methodical, token check. They just don't have enough time or staff.

    The Americans probably saw this and decided security had to meet a higher standard, so they might have demanded their flights have that extra edge, so they went to the best, they went to the real professionals - they went to ICTS. You don't need to know about the sticker, you'll know what to do when the time comes...we'll be watching.


    (ryanair - because their gate is a truly amazing distance from departures. It seriously must be 2 kilometres - almost died getting to the gate)


  • #44
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    danger mouse wrote: »
    analyzation of this situation

    Sounds sore, I wouldn't be a fan of anal probing. You should sue over that.


  • #45
    camel jockey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭camel jockey


    I've never had the ICTS check when flying to the US by Aer Lingus, only when using one of the US airlines. And I have never been stopped / approached by them once I have checked in. Last time I flew to the US was a couple of months ago.


  • #46
    bumper234
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    He just said some guy in a suit, who wouldn't explain what he was doing. I imagine if he identified himself off the bat the OP wouldn't have an issue and this thread wouldn't exist. Can the OP confirm?

    If the guy didn't identify himself or wasn't wearing some sort of badge/ID why did op hand over his passport? OP had a problem with the "stupid sticker" and decided to act like a tool when security refused to answer his questions.
    danger mouse wrote: »
    I havent flown out of Ireland since 2008.

    Anyway 2 days ago I flew to LAX from Dublin and came across these "individuals" about 10 mins after I entered DUB airport. First up this goon in a suit pulled me out of the queue for my flight and asked me for my passport he had this PDA type thing he used to scan my passport and afterwards proceeded to put a stupid sticker with "icts" on my passport. I asked This guy what the sticker meant he got all CIA on me and told me I didn't need to know. Well this behaviour only made me more interested so I pushed and pushed with more of my questions, but I got nowhere...lol So after hours of analyzation of this situation, do any of you know what this is all about?


  • #47
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Duck's hoop wrote: »
    Because he wants to? It's the US, land of the automobile? A pretty cool drive with many possible diversions? A great way to see and experience the country?

    It's not a pretty cool drive with many possible diversions though. It's eight hours of nothing which is renowned as being one of the worst drives in America.


  • #48
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    bumper234 wrote: »
    If the guy didn't identify himself or wasn't wearing some sort of badge/ID why did op hand over his passport? OP had a problem with the "stupid sticker" and decided to act like a tool when security refused to answer his questions.
    I'm waiting to see if the OP confirms if they identified themselves before the sticker (at which point from the information given it becomes obvious that they're official, not before).


  • #49
    TheChizler
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    kneemos wrote: »
    No he didn't.The op said he had a problem with the sticker they put on his passport.He also said there was loads more of these guys throughout the airport,so obviously security.
    The exact words were 'goon in a suit', unless the suit was a security uniform with a badge or the guy identified himself somehow I think it's understandable that anyone would have an issue with someone demanding and modifying their passport.


  • #50
    bumper234
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    The exact words were 'goon in a suit', unless the suit was a security uniform with a badge or the guy identified himself somehow I think it's understandable that anyone would have an issue with someone demanding and modifying their passport.

    If someone demands your passport you can obviously refuse to hand it over that's why i assume the suit had identified himself to op as security. And i would hardly call putting a sticker on a passport "modifying".


  • #51
    Conmaicne Mara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 ✭✭✭Conmaicne Mara


    danger mouse wrote: »
    and told me I didn't need to know.

    Well if I don't need to know, neither do fecking you.

    Oooooooo matron, is that the sound of rubber gloves :eek:


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  • #52
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And i would hardly call putting a sticker on a passport "modifying".
    It's not as serious as writing on or laminating a different picture in but it's still a modification.


  • #53
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,906 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    It's not as serious as writing on or laminating a different picture in but it's still a modification.

    As Big Bird used to say...Co-operation.


  • #54
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    TheChizler wrote: »
    It's not as serious as writing on or laminating a different picture in but it's still a modification.

    It's not permanent you could take the sticker off. It's put on your passport to show other security staff that you have been checked.


  • #55
    danger mouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    kneemos wrote: »
    No he didn't.The op said he had a problem with the sticker they put on his passport.He also said there was loads more of these guys throughout the airport,so obviously security.

    I didn't have a problem with a stupid sticker, just wanted to know why in the middle of an American Airlines queue I was plucked out randomly and asked for my passport which was scanned with his PDA he never told me who he was or why my passport was scanned. Afterwards I asked him why this happened and he told me "I didn't need to know"



    TheChizler wrote: »
    He just said some guy in a suit, who wouldn't explain what he was doing. I imagine if he identified himself off the bat the OP wouldn't have an issue and this thread wouldn't exist. Can the OP confirm?

    Yes very true. It made me nervous.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    We don't know if he was PSA registered.




    Nowhere in the OP does it state the guy didn't identify himself as part of airport security.

    I didn't state it in my OP because he never introduced himself as such i have a PSA license as an employees security officer.
    TheChizler wrote: »
    I think the issue here is that, from the OP, they never identified themselves as part of official airport security. They could have been anyone.



    To be honest why I got so nervous was because this ICTS guy as I now know him to be, just plucked me from the crowd and asked for my Passport. He scanned it on his PDA and stuck a sticker on it. I asked him why he put a sticker on my Passport and he told me I didn't need to know why.

    I was very anxious because I'm a very large 6'3" 23 stone man and at first I thought I was gonna get pulled off the flight for this or be made pay for an extra seat. (Im a worrier) it turns out it is a normal every day thing they do. Anyway The problem I had just relates to the fact that he wouldn't tell me why my passport needed this sticker. PS i don't have a problem with a stupid sticker on my passport so please shut up with the silly sticker replies.


  • #56
    glen1300
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭glen1300


    I actually work for icts in Dublin airport. We look for suspious behaviour and keep your flight to the united states as safe as possible:) that sticker your on about is to tell the security before you board the flight that you were asked the security questions and observed before you fly. The reason for this is to make sure you have no dangerous goods that may harm passengers aboard our flights.


  • #57
    humbert
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    glen1300 wrote: »
    I actually work for icts in Dublin airport. We look for suspious behaviour and keep your flight to the united states as safe as possible:) that sticker your on about is to tell the security before you board the flight that you were asked the security questions and observed before you fly. The reason for this is to make sure you have no dangerous goods that may harm passengers aboard our flights.
    Do you explain that to the people you stop or act like a complete spanner like the icts guy in the Op?


  • #58
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    humbert wrote: »
    Do you explain that to the people you stop or act like a complete spanner like the icts guy in the Op?
    You don't need to know that.


  • #59
    Stella Virgo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 478 ✭✭Stella Virgo


    Duracell Bunny wrote: »
    If he refused to give me any information about the sticker Id just remove it.

    dead right. if that **** put a sticker on my passport i wud tear it off immediately and warn him ,that he absolutely no authority to interfere with a legal document.let alone stick some shyte to it.


  • #60
    Stella Virgo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 478 ✭✭Stella Virgo


    glen1300 wrote: »
    I actually work for icts in Dublin airport. We look for suspious behaviour and keep your flight to the united states as safe as possible:) that sticker your on about is to tell the security before you board the flight that you were asked the security questions and observed before you fly. The reason for this is to make sure you have no dangerous goods that may harm passengers aboard our flights.

    total bull****...u have no legal right to interfere with a passport.end of story.


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  • #61
    Seedy Arling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    Stella Virgo wrote: »
    dead right. if that **** put a sticker on my passport i wud tear it off immediately and warn him ,that he absolutely no authority to interfere with a legal document.let alone stick some shyte to it.
    U da man


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