In what ways is Germany not fecking it up

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 01:52AM #1

How come Germany managed to turn itself and its economy around after that whole "war" hoopla and then all that whole Communist Berlin wall thing.

Now they're minted.

Meanwhile in Ireland, which has seen (relative) peace for many many decades now and has had zero USSR overlords/Stazi state police....fecked.

Can we copy them ?

Frito · 31-08-2013 01:54AM

I declare thumb war.

Topper Harley · 31-08-2013 01:56AM

It would involve a lot of hard work, not complaining and feeling guilty for past generations mistakes and not making excuses for them, most of which really isn't our style.

CruelCoin · 31-08-2013 02:01AM

1: They built up the massive manpower and resources to wag the first world war.
2: Get bombed into the ground, lose majority of working age male population.
3: Economic collapse and crippling reparations.
4: Build up massive manpower and resources to wage the second world war.
5: Get bombed into the ground, lose majority of working age male population.
6: Economic collapse and crippling reparations.
7: Build up same again to be top of the financial and manufacturing pile.

Meanwhile we here have this humongoid pack of flaming retards rocking back and forth hugging their knees moaning "why won't they stop telling us what to do".

They have the answers, they know how it works. They've been to hell and back several times and we tell them to get bent?

It astonishes me.

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 02:02AM

They're not really that different from us ...are they ?

Sure, they eat bratwurst and wear leiderhosen in bed and are punctual.
But they're essentially the same as us - how come they're loling it up at the rest of Europe.

General General · 31-08-2013 02:03AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

1: They built up the massive manpower and resources to wag the first world war.
2: Get bombed into the ground, lose majority of working age male population.
3: Economic collapse and crippling reparations.
4: Build up massive manpower and resources to wage the second world war.
5: Get bombed into the ground, lose majority of working age male population.
6: Economic collapse and crippling reparations.
7: Build up same again to be top of the financial and manufacturing pile.

Meanwhile we here have this humongoid pack of flaming retards rocking back and forth hugging their knees moaning "why won't they stop telling us what to do".

They have the answers, they know how it works. They've been to hell and back several times and we tell them to get bent?

It astonishes me.

Cruel, Coin, cruel.

Baked.noodle · 31-08-2013 02:09AM

If I was in charge I'd tax the bejasus out of fun.. Tobacco, booze, amphetamines, tea, the list is endless. It's not like anybody would behave any differently. Then when the money roles in I would invest the vice money into dodgy Irish banks and kick start another debt bubble that will make all other debt bubbles pale in significance. With all the money sloshing about in Ireland I would buy shares in banks in other EU countries, such as Germany. When it all goes to hell, they will bale us out.

stretchdoe · 31-08-2013 02:12AM

They get us/Irish taxpayers to bail out their banks/bondholders loans to private institutions having, with the compliance of much of our media and most of our politicians, established the narrative that it's completely 'our fault'.

It's easy enough when your victims are willing prey.

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 02:14AM

Yeah but they buy their own local stuff dont they.
They don't buy as much imported stuff.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-08-2013 02:17AM

They amaze me, they were cleaned out and fleeced from 2 separate World War reparations, the Americans especially did them over big time after WW2. They had to struggle through reunification at a later date but yet in 2013 they are the leading economy in Europe.

Maybe the next time we go to war they will finally be in place to fulfill their destiny. :pac:

stretchdoe · 31-08-2013 02:31AM

Elbaston wrote: »

Yeah but they buy their own local stuff dont they.
They don't buy as much imported stuff.

And everyone else bought their stuff..

They benifited hugely from the EU/ECB/interest rates etc.. and are currently trying to ensure, again with the help of quisling politicians from other nations, that this will continue.

Britain's reluctance to play along may well be a spanner in the works; perhaps a welcome one.

Having said all that, there's no doubt they have their sh*t together, in terms of fostering domestic industry/business.

Karl Stein · 31-08-2013 02:36AM

You need to look at the roots of the plant not the flower Danielson.

Jimoslimos · 31-08-2013 03:08AM

A strong manufacturing industry that makes stuff. People buy stuff. Germany gets rich.

Ireland on the other hand had wealth built on imaginary property prices. People don't buy dreams. Ireland bankrupt

DainBramage · 31-08-2013 03:58AM

Marshall plan post WW2 provided finance to rebuild. Many european countries also availed of this.

Post cold war Germans paid (and still pay I think) a 'reunification' tax to fund merger with East Germany.

holystungun9 · 31-08-2013 09:27AM

Renting and not buying.

T-K-O · 31-08-2013 09:44AM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

A strong manufacturing industry that makes stuff. People buy stuff. Germany gets rich.

Ireland on the other hand had wealth built on imaginary property prices. People don't buy dreams. Ireland bankrupt

This. They have a lot of brands that sell across the globe.

On a side note, this is another Ireland is crap (random word) is great thread. Yawn.

How come this great nation of Germans were leading money like there was no tomorrow?
The Germans are not without fault in this current European mess

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 12:12PM

T-K-O wrote: »

This. They have a lot of brands that sell across the globe.

On a side note, this is another Ireland is crap (random word) is great thread. Yawn.

How come this great nation of Germans were leading money like there was no tomorrow?
The Germans are not without fault in this current European mess

Well, so what, I dared question something.

T-K-O · 31-08-2013 12:17PM

Elbaston wrote: »

Well, so what, I dared question something.

Questioning why Ireland has struggled in the past / present would have been far more interesting. Comparing us to Germany, less so.

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 12:21PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Questioning why Ireland has struggled in the past / present would have been far more interesting. Comparing us to Germany, less so.

If you don't like the thread go somewhere else.
Your input is greatly appreciated.

T-K-O · 31-08-2013 12:22PM

Elbaston wrote: »

If you don't like the thread go somewhere else.
Your input is greatly appreciated.

I don't like it but I'm staying.

corktina · 31-08-2013 12:23PM

the difference is that they go out to look for business and we sit here waiting for it to come to us...take ALDI and LIDL, purpose built chains to sell German products in....how many shops does Dunnes or SuperValu have abroad selling Irish produce?

RDM_83 again · 31-08-2013 12:31PM

Yes it has a functioning economy but I am not sure Germany should be considered a paradise, its got pretty low wages and in certain areas pretty damn high poverty levels.
Also it would be fine if we were in the UK to look at how Germany has handled things, but Ireland looking to Germany for a solution just doesn't make sense, you can't create that sort of heavy industry and manufacturing quickly and you really can't in a small country on the periphery of europe.

Elbaston · 31-08-2013 12:32PM

T-K-O wrote: »

I don't like it but I'm staying.

Good man. Every time you comment it keeps my question on the first page just that little bit longer.

anto9 · 31-08-2013 12:35PM

They were always savers rather than spenders .Credit cards were never a big thing in Germany .Their Banks messed up like ours but the fundamentals were always sound .A huge rock around their neck has been taking over Eastern Germany .Wages in Germany have stayed much the same for the last 20 years .Only now are things starting to get good for them again .

Celly Smunt · 31-08-2013 12:40PM

It's quite easy when you think about it.The germans have always built steady from the foundation rather than creating bubbles on the back of past failures,like we're doing now.

If ireland was a house it would be constantly crumbling at the foundations with new houses being built on top of collapsed ones.

(Irish people seem to have a fascination with houses,hence my analogy)

Forest Demon · 31-08-2013 12:41PM

Germany is kind of like Africa except it is the opposite.

Celly Smunt · 31-08-2013 12:42PM

anto9 wrote: »

They were always savers rather than spenders .Credit cards were never a big thing in Germany .Their Banks messed up like ours but the fundamentals were always sound .A huge rock around their neck has been taking over Eastern Germany .Wages in Germany have stayed much the same for the last 20 years .Only now are things starting to get good for them again .

The only reason they've restricted the wages in a way is because Germany's worst fear is inflation,and rightly so.

T-K-O · 31-08-2013 12:51PM

Celly Smunt wrote: »

It's quite easy when you think about it.The germans have always built steady from the foundation rather than creating bubbles on the back of past failures,like we're doing now.

If ireland was a house it would be constantly crumbling at the foundations with new houses being built on top of collapsed ones.

(Irish people seem to have a fascination with houses,hence my analogy)

and the root cause of that is the answer to a lot of our woes. We are IMO immature as a nation.

bnt · 31-08-2013 01:09PM

anto9 wrote: »

They were always savers rather than spenders.

The Chinese are even greater savers ... but that's coming back to bite them, because of what Chinese banks have been doing with those savings. When you put money in to a bank, it doesn't just sit there: a good proportion of it is lent back out e.g. your savings are funding someone else's mortgage.

But in China, the banks have been lending the money back out to property speculators, with a State mandate to do so. (It's not quite that simple, of course, but close enough.) So, if there's ever a Crete-style bank run there - not at all difficult to imagine - a lot of Chinese people are going to find out just how unsafe their savings are. :eek:

So Banking policy is still central to why Germany is more stable. Another important point is that property ownership isn't generally as popular there as it is here. About 53% property ownership compared to 70% in the UK and 74% in Ireland (as of 2011)

But they do have a boom in some parts this year, most notably Berlin, and there are already warning signs. As in London, the boom in Berlin is at least partly fuelled by foreign investors. But the lack of a real property boom in Germany during the "boom years" is (in my opinion) a major reason why Germany didn't have an economic crash.

anto9 · 31-08-2013 01:21PM

^ Berlin did have the cheapest property prices in Western Germany .Largely because of Berlins very high unemployment rate .( relative to the rest of Germany ) .I was thinking of buying a small investment Apartment there in 2008 ,but German property taxes ,low rents ,and strong tennant rights put me off the idea .

rossie1977 · 31-08-2013 01:24PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

A strong manufacturing industry that makes stuff. People buy stuff. Germany gets rich.

Ireland on the other hand had wealth built on imaginary property prices. People don't buy dreams. Ireland bankrupt

pretty much this, germany were the worlds leading export nation for years ahead of even the us while most of our exports are coming from companies just based in ireland

volkswagen, daimler ag, allianz, E.ON, siemens, bmw, deutsche bank, bayer, bosch all insanely huge companies on a global scale each of them many times bigger than our biggest homegrown company crh

In what ways is Germany not fecking it up

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