can we really afford to keep letting our governments create wars indefinitely??

renegademaster wrote: »

so, as our western "leaders" throw shapes like the corrupted evil bastards they are, we have to take some of the blame for their actions as we are the ones allowing those we voted for, the free reign to get away with these devastating acts of terrorism while fighting an imaginary war on terror they fcuking well created.

what is the UN got to do with anything, hilary clinton spied on the whole organisation for her overlords, the yanks have been proven to have done so again recently through the NSA spying network! we've had endless proof that the reasons for going to war are dishonest time and time again, evidence of false flags, patsies, arming both sides, using black ops to stir **** up on the ground etc and all this is happening under our watch! shame we've let things slip so far and somehow we're happy to watch it keep getting worse and worse think Iraq, afghanistan and the saviours of democracy protecting the poppies that provide 90% of the worlds street heroin, think Libya, Egypt, for more just google!!

http://rt.com/news/uk-response-without-un-backing-979/

A response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria is possible without the unanimous consent of the UN Security Council, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has said.

“I would argue yes it is, otherwise it might be impossible to respond to such outrages, such crimes, and I don't think that's an acceptable situation," Hague said on BBC radio, when asked whether it would be possible to respond to the use of chemical weapons without the backing of the UN Security Council.

Meanwhile, Britain’s Royal Navy is reportedly moving ships into place for a possible strike with the US on Syria in the next few days.

Citing government sources, British daily The Telegraph wrote that as military commanders were discussing a list of potential targets, the Royal Navy is deploying vessels for a series of cruise missile strikes on Syria.

Since last week’s chemical weapons attack on a Damascus suburb that left over 300 civilians dead, political rhetoric has been building against President Bashar Assad, alleging the regime carried out the attack against its own citizens. On Sunday, Britain added its voice to the chorus of countries urging for intervention in Syria.

Foreign Secretary William Hague condemned the Assad regime, stating that “all the evidence points in one direction.”

"We cannot, in the 21st century, allow the idea that chemical weapons can be used with impunity, that people can be killed in this way, and there are no consequences for it," he said.

Branding Assad a dictator, Hague stressed a “strong response” was essential in light of the use of chemical weapons to “slaughter” Syrian citizens. British Prime Minister David Cameron has also chosen to cut short his summer break and return to the UK to chair a Security Council meeting on Tuesday.

Syrian President Bashar Assad responded to the calls for an international reaction to the chemical attack, warning that any international intervention in Syria would end in failure.

"The comments [accusing the regime of using chemical weapons] made by politicians in the West and other countries are an insult to common sense... It is nonsense," Assad said, adding the accusations were completely “political.”

Russia also urged caution, calling on Washington to avoid “repeating past mistakes.”

“All of this makes one recall the events that happened 10 years ago, when, using false information about Iraqis having weapons of mass destruction, the US bypassed the United Nations and started a scheme whose consequences are well known to everyone,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Moscow has also said a UN investigation into last Wednesday’s attack is of paramount importance and it was essential that its results were not influenced before time.

A team of UN experts arrived at the site of the attack on Monday in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta, however doubts have already been raised over the validity of an investigation.

Washington has already alleged that an investigation would be “too late to be credible.” The British government echoed the US, stating that valuable evidence could have been destroyed in subsequent bombing of the area or tampered with.

"The fact is that much of the evidence could have been destroyed by that artillery bombardment. Other evidence could have degraded over the last few days and other evidence could have been tampered with," Hague told reporters on Saturday.

The toxic gas attack in Ghouta triggered a wave of media hysteria with mixed reports alleging that thousands had been killed. On Saturday, French charity Medcins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders) said that 355 people had died and over a thousand were exhibiting systems related to neurotoxic poisoning. However, the non-profit organization said it was impossible to discern who was behind the attack.

bnt wrote: »

The Syria civil war has been going for years now, and the "West" hasn't exactly been eager to get involved to date, have they? Even now, they're still at the "righteous indignation" phase, making hyperbolic statements that won't necessarily translate in to policy.

A new BBC piece puts it like this:


The Syrian civil war is between (a) a despotic dictator who represents a small minority of Syrians and may have used chemical weapons on his own people, and (b) Islamist militants backed by Iran and (possibly) Saudi Arabia, who want to turn Syria in to an Sharia theocracy on Israel's border. Some choice. :rolleyes:

renegademaster wrote: »

so just cos we're Irish we don't get to protest about moves our closest neighbour is making that will effect us when missiles come raining down on the UK someday??