Garda Siochana in Shell to see session shocker.

TheChizler · 20-08-2013 03:11PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Publican?

Where did you see that?

Most convenience stores sell alcohol. I can't think of any that doesn't.

Anything else to add to your previous over-reaction now?

It says licenced person. Not off-licenced. Even though it doesn't sound quite right, if Gardaí are always on duty does that mean technically they can't ever go for a pint? Or does on duty only refer to rostered hours?

Potential-Monke · 20-08-2013 03:16PM

^^^This

Cody Pomeray · 20-08-2013 03:21PM

eh no, a licenced person is a person in respect of whom a licence for the sale by retail of intoxicating liquor has been granted and is in force.

It applies to on-licences and off-licences.

Of course it's ridiculous, and un-enforceable, I'm merely discussing the principle behind it.

Cienciano · 20-08-2013 03:45PM

constance tench wrote: »

Apparently gifts for the locals also [all contained in the collection of OSSL emails above]...school fees, farm equipment, gardeners, tennis court...

Nice one, fair play to Shell.

Hootanany · 20-08-2013 03:46PM

Just been checking its still on the books 10 years after the article. Also I must apologise to the OP.

From the Garda Guide,

Harbouring Garda on duty

S.16—If any licensed person—

(1) Knowingly harbours or knowingly suffers to remain on his premises any Garda during any part of the time appointed for such Garda being on duty, unless for the purpose of keeping or restoring order or in execution of his duty; or

(2) Supplies any liquor or refreshment, whether by way of gift or sale, to any Garda on duty unless by authority of some superior officer of such Garda; or

(3) Bribes or attempts to bribe any Garda, he shall be guilty of offence — penalty: first offence: E25.40; second or subsequent offences: E50.80.

From here http://gg.blackhallpublishing.com/in...321&Itemid=228

Contained in the Intoxicating Liquor Act (Ireland) 1874 as amended by http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1927/...022.html#sec22

Ill check with a mate of mine who wrote the book on licencing law in Ireland to confirm. Just rang my mate and he believes the section is still on the statute book.
Last edited by ResearchWill; 07-05-2013 at 19:40.

Would this also apply to the 35K gift from Shell {allegedly} ?

Potential-Monke · 21-08-2013 04:34AM

Took me a while, but the above quoted section, section 16 of the Licensing Act 1872 (which is not available on the internet), is related to Section 41 of the Refreshment Houses Act 1860, which states:

S.41 - Person licensed to sell intoxicating liquor for consumption on the premises who knowingly harbors or entertains or suffers to remain in his premises any Garda while on duty unless in the discharge of his duty is guilty of an offence

On the premises, so this excludes off-licenses. It only applies to licensed premises for consumption on the premises.

Also, i've sent off a mail to someone to double check, and will post the results here. I'm really checking to see if the word "refreshments" is to be taken literally, or if there is a specific definition in any of the 15+ Acts which may relate to this section.

Hootanany · 21-08-2013 09:09AM

whether by way of gift or sale

This is the bit that got me.

Garda Siochana in Shell to see session shocker.

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