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What happened to TV3 HD ?

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  • #62
    watty
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    irishfeen wrote: »
    To be honest I wouldn't agree with that, you are right that three stations broadcasting rubbish is too much but in reality RTE/TG4 with all their faults are not a bad broadcasters, especially when you compare them with some of the rubbish in the UK, RTE I would say is superior to C5

    Agree with above. I have motorised dish and all the UK channels and lived in UK up till a while after C4 started. RTE is better than US or Italian TV and much German TV.

    But they could so easily do so much better with the existing income.


  • #63
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I think it would be better if RTE shutdown their output after 1am, and switch to Euronews which would cost nothing. They rely too much on 'Murder She Wrote' type junk to fill the poor hours. They also rely on repeats to fill the schedule with August another fallow period.

    Perhaps they should have an 'RTE Sports' channel sharing the RTE NN channel, say for Saturday and Sunday 2pm till 9pm.

    Perhaps they should ask the viewers for ideas.


  • #64
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I think it would be better if RTE shutdown their output after 1am, and switch to Euronews which would cost nothing. They rely too much on 'Murder She Wrote' type junk to fill the poor hours. They also rely on repeats to fill the schedule with August another fallow period.

    Perhaps they should have an 'RTE Sports' channel sharing the RTE NN channel, say for Saturday and Sunday 2pm till 9pm.

    Perhaps they should ask the viewers for ideas.

    rtetv has corrupted the domestic tv market
    rtetv has bought many us tv programmes to stop tv3 and tg4 for showing them in prime time and then rte put them out in the early hours like breaking bad was on rte2 years ago at 1am


  • #65
    Elmo
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    ftakeith wrote: »
    rtetv has corrupted the domestic tv market
    rtetv has bought many us tv programmes to stop tv3 and tg4 for showing them in prime time and then rte put them out in the early hours like breaking bad was on rte2 years ago at 1am

    Did they have Breaking Bad???? I'd be surprised as RTÉ general stay with a programme. They are unlikely to stop after a season or two. They have stayed with Son of Anarchy.

    I don't think TV3 would have bought Breaking Bad look what Channel 6 did with The Wire.


  • #66
    Elmo
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    @ftakeith here is a very simplistic look at advertising sales on Irish Television based on a total pot of 285m in 2011. (Audience share w/e 28/04/13)

    A number of problems exist with this simplistic view, as TG4 do not earn 12m in advertising each year due to its niche audience and the number of ads it can sell. In 2011 GOLD, DAVE and More 4 did not provide opt-out advertising, and it doesn't include their plus one services.

    Should RTÉ stop advertising TV3 would be in an very unlikely position to earn 122m per year as more opt-outs would soon appear. It also means that while TG4 and TV3 earn 144m between them, opt outs earn €138million or 50% of all advertising would leave the country, currently it stands at ~20%

    And then there is the idea that more services would begin selling advertising into the Irish market, ITV 2, 3 and 4, more of the UKTV channels and more Sky channels.

    Audience loses by RTÉ Two are not automatically give to either 3E or TV3, looking at these set of figures RTÉ TWO's audience is leaving it for UK channels, so even if it closed there is no gaurentee that TV3 would gain in audience share. 3e has purely eaten into TV3's audience share.

    But again the table is purely back of an envelope type economics that TV3 continue to push.

    Audience Share Total Advert Share 2011 Advert share €
    TG4 2.4 4.2 12.0 8.0 22.9
    RTÉ One 21.5 37.7 107.3 0.0 0.0
    RTÉ Two 5.7 10.0 28.5 0.0 0.0
    TV3 10.6 18.6 52.9 35.5 101.0
    3e 2.3 4.0 11.5 7.7 21.9
    Setanta Ireland 0.1 0.2 0.5 0.3 1.0
    UTV 3 5.3 15.0 10.0 28.6
    Channel 4 1.7 3.0 8.5 5.7 16.2
    Sky1 1.3 2.3 6.5 4.3 12.4
    Sky2 0.3 0.5 1.5 1.0 2.9
    Sky Living 0.7 1.2 3.5 2.3 6.7
    Sky Atlantic 0.2 0.4 1.0 0.7 1.9
    Sky News 0.8 1.4 4.0 2.7 7.6
    Sky Sports News 0.8 1.4 4.0 2.7 7.6
    Sky Sports 1 1.2 2.1 6.0 4.0 11.4
    Sky Sports 2 0.5 0.9 2.5 1.7 4.8
    At The Races 0.7 1.2 3.5 2.3 6.7
    Comedy Central 0.9 1.6 4.5 3.0 8.6
    E4 0.7 1.2 3.5 2.3 6.7
    MTV 0.3 0.5 1.5 1.0 2.9
    Dave 0.4 0.7 2.0 1.3 3.8
    GOLD 0.5 0.9 2.5 1.7 4.8
    Discovery 0.5 0.9 2.5 1.7 4.8
    Ad Sales 57.1 100 285 100 285
    Other 36.8
    BBC One 3.9
    BBC Two 2.2
    29.9


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  • #67
    irishfeen
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    Elmo wrote: »
    We are getting off topic but just in relation to a few things.

    TG4 and RnaG should merge, there is no reason why RnaG should be part of RTÉ.

    RTÉ continue to ignore RTÉ Two bar sports, it needs to become a separate entity along with 2fm.

    I think Ireland could have more TV services from existing Irish broadcasters and perhaps one more FTA broadcaster. If TV3, RTÉ and TG4 want to eat into UK broadcasters they will need to start to provide more crossover marketing and channels similar in style to those UK channels.

    DTT extra channels should provide alternative schedule to programming already available on main services, e.g. Britain's Got Talent on 3e after TV3.

    There is no reason why Irish broadcasters cannot have similar channels to UK channel e.g. TG4 could have the Film Channel, like Channel 4, RTÉ could provide a similar service to that of both BBC 3 and 4 (not both, while dropping ONE +1), TV3 already has ITV2/3 with 3E.

    TV3, RTÉ and TG4 need main services those main service should remain as RTÉ One, Two, TV3 and TG4. They need content, HD is pointless without content. HD is wasted on in-house and studio based productions.
    What RTE should do [be allowed to do] is launch standalone channels to run alongside RTE 1/2, RTE 1 should be used exclusively for homegrown content and RTE 2 a mixture of both. The television licence should be used to fund RTE 1/2/radio/other RTE public commitments like the National Symphony Orchestra.

    They then should be allowed launch what ever channels they was such as RTE Sport, News, Film, International, Music, Educational, 3D etc. on the basis that they would be commercial channels and strictly not funded with the licence fee, any profits generated from advertisement and the likes would go back into self funding RTE as a whole so it remains a non-profit making broadcaster.

    TV3 on the other hand should be given a strict date to settle its carriage fee debts, on that day their broadcasting licence should be suspended if money is not forthcoming.


  • #68
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Elmo wrote: »
    If TV3, RTÉ and TG4 want to eat into UK broadcasters they will need to start to provide more crossover marketing and channels similar in style to those UK channels.
    How would TV3 become more like those UK channels ?

    Because the last thing we need is yet another non-descript channel.

    I'd imagine the main HD we will see from TV3 is showing imports in HD. With "talking heads" it really doesn't matter unless there is some eye-candy.


    At least TG4 have advertised themselves as being different.


  • #69
    Elmo
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    In relation to the method by which UK broadcasters market their set of TV channels.

    Saorview is made up of RTÉ 1, 2, TV3 and TG4. These are the main TV services in RoI. And I beleive as do most that the broadcasters should avoid spreading new content across too many channels and rather focus on their main services.

    However Broadcasters also know that they are competiting with UK services that provide a range of non-descript services such as ITV2, E4, 5*, Sky Two and so on.

    Saorview should be able to retain advertising revenue for Irish broadcasters.

    RTÉ ONE, TWO and Junior plus extra repeat services RTÉ THREE and NEWS NOW and Oireachtas
    TG4 plus the cross promoted Irish Film Channel Service
    TV3 plus the repeat services of 3e and 3Classic

    These non-channels would help support the current crop of Irish TV service and may return some audiences to Irish TV for US programming.

    I don't view new digital services as anything more than repeat views. I am happy to watch The Big Bang Theory on an Irish channel as I would on E4 (though I amn't a fan of TBBT).


  • #70
    icdg
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    I'm not sure how a thread on TV3 HD has gotten to mainly discussing RTÉ...


  • #71
    irishfeen
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    icdg wrote: »
    I'm not sure how a thread on TV3 HD has gotten to mainly discussing RTÉ...
    You might have a point but a case could also be made that its TV3 who rabbit on about loosing massive advertisement revenue to RTE, if you take their point of view the money that RTE prevents TV3 from obtaining could have meant we would have had TV3 HD years ago.


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  • #72
    Jpmarn
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    icdg wrote: »
    I'm not sure how a thread on TV3 HD has gotten to mainly discussing RTÉ...

    I started a new thread discussing HD on RTE .


  • #73
    irishfeen
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    I wonder would another new thread maybe titled "the future of Irish broadcasting" where all Irish channels could be discussed be a good idea too?


  • #74
    Sam Russell
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    icdg wrote: »
    I'm not sure how a thread on TV3 HD has gotten to mainly discussing RTÉ...

    McRedmond always discusses RTE when he talks about TV3 and TV3 HD. He never discusses his TV3 debt to NAMA or the amount TV3 owes RTE NL for transmission charges.


  • #75
    dublinman1990
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    Elmo wrote: »

    DTT extra channels should provide alternative schedule to programming already available on main services, e.g. Britain's Got Talent on 3e after TV3.

    3e has been providing repeats for BGT after being shown on TV3 for ages now. The same is said for the X Factor/Xtra Factor and Tallafornia/Tallafornia After Party programmes etc.


  • #76
    iseegirls
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    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    3e has been providing repeats for BGT after being shown on TV3 for ages now. The same is said for the X Factor/Xtra Factor and Tallafornia/Tallafornia After Party programmes etc.

    3e is mainly a TV3 repeat channel now, with Steve Wilkos and Uploaded thrown in.


  • #77
    Elmo
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    iseegirls wrote: »
    3e is mainly a TV3 repeat channel now, with Steve Wilkos and Uploaded thrown in.

    Just to Clarify what I am trying to say. 3e is a nondescript channel ala E4, ITV2 etc and I don't expect the same amount of original programming on 3e as E4 and ITV2, TV3 should concentrate on their Prime Time Schedule for original programming.

    I do think there should be similar nondescript channels from other broadcasters on Soarview. I don't expect anything more from extra channels.


  • #78
    channelsurfer2
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    any update on whether they will launch in HD? I see the new controller(formerly channel 5 controller) has stated he wants to use the HD studio a lot more and export the programmes for sale.
    the BAI has gone quiet on Mux2 allocation. I presume this is because the pricing suggested by RTENL was more that TV3 wanted to pay ie Zero.....


  • #79
    Elmo
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    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    any update on whether they will launch in HD? I see the new controller(formerly channel 5 controller) has stated he wants to use the HD studio a lot more and export the programmes for sale.
    the BAI has gone quiet on Mux2 allocation. I presume this is because the pricing suggested by RTENL was more that TV3 wanted to pay ie Zero.....

    I'd be careful about any aspirations that the "new controller" has for TV3. To me it seems that TV3 want to effectively run the HD studio into the ground. I think they got to film one ITV sit-com. Have they moved any of their shows into their HD studios, other than VB on an on off basis. I'd say it is an expensive studio to run.

    Anyone know what connections TV3 have to Channel 5?


  • #80
    iseegirls
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    Elmo wrote: »
    I'd be careful about any aspirations that the "new controller" has for TV3. To me it seems that TV3 want to effectively run the HD studio into the ground. I think they got to film one ITV sit-com. Have they moved any of their shows into their HD studios, other than VB on an on off basis. I'd say it is an expensive studio to run.

    Anyone know what connections TV3 have to Channel 5?

    They filmed School Around The Corner there recently for RTE. As for TV3 shows, only Vincent is the one who uses it on occasions. Keith Barry will have a new 6-part show produced there for TV3, and I'll expect a lot more over the next few months when the Autumn schedule is announced


  • #81
    channelsurfer2
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    ah but the question is will we get to see them in HD. no point in producing stuff in HD if you are outputting a crappy resolution on Saorview...


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  • #82
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Anyone know what connections TV3 have to Channel 5?
    Channel 5 showed that Travellers taking over a Town documentary last night.

    also this - back in Nov. and Feb. they swapped program planning personnel

    TV3 and Channel 5 are doing yet another swap-eroo.


  • #83
    Antenna
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    The current TV3 SD picture is significantly inferior to BBC SD pictures for example, BBC Standard Definition does far better especially with video with a lot of motion/camera panning. Can TV3 (as well as RTE1 and TG4) not aim to match the BBC's SD quality in the absence of HD?


  • #84
    PushUpPDawg
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    I would assume TV3 will launch in HD on their 15th birthday in September this year.


  • #85
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Antenna wrote: »
    Can TV3 (as well as RTE1 and TG4) not aim to match the BBC's SD quality in the absence of HD?

    No because Mux1 is packed to the gills and there is no money / no agreement on who pays to turn on Mux2.

    The SD channels on Saorview are reduced in resolution (544x576 instead of 'full SD' 720x576) and the bitrate is low.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #86
    Elmo
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    ninja900 wrote: »
    No because Mux1 is packed to the gills and there is no money / no agreement on who pays to turn on Mux2.

    The SD channels on Saorview are reduced in resolution (544x576 instead of 'full SD' 720x576) and the bitrate is low.

    No announcement at their Autumn launch so can't see it happening, TV3 have a lot of badly set up leaks so that they can get into the newspapers. :rolleyes:

    The regulators (ComReg or BAI) should ask that the second MUX open to prevent the current packing of channels across one Mux.


  • #87
    The Cush
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    Elmo wrote: »
    The regulators (ComReg or BAI) should ask that the second MUX open to prevent the current packing of channels across one Mux.

    The problem there would be that the existing broadcasters would have to share the cost of 2 muxes instead of 1.


  • #88
    Sam Russell
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    The Cush wrote: »
    The problem there would be that the existing broadcasters would have to share the cost of 2 muxes instead of 1.

    Before Saorview, RTE had two transmitters, TV3 - one (sort of), and TG4 had one. Now they all share one. A single mux costs about the same as one analogue transmitter. So what is the problem?

    RTE could fill the existing mux with RTE1 HD, RTE 2 HD, RTE NN and RTE jr/Plus.

    TV3 HD, TG4 HD, and 3E, plus OTV and perhaps IFilm Ch would more or less fill the second mux. Add a few commercial radios to pack it.

    So what is the problem?

    Oh, yea - I forgot. Sky and TV3 do not want it. [TV3 do not want to pay for it!]


  • #89
    The Cush
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    So what is the problem?

    Tariffs - http://www.comreg.ie/publications/response_to_consultation_and_decision_notice_-_broadcasting_transmission_services_in_ireland.583.104423.p.html


  • #90
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The Cush wrote: »
    Tariffs - http://www.comreg.ie/publications/response_to_consultation_and_decision_notice_-_broadcasting_transmission_services_in_ireland.583.104423.p.html

    362 pages with no summary - you must be joking!


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  • #91
    The Cush
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    362 pages with no summary - you must be joking!

    Section 2 gives a three and a half page summary.


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