Female Cyclist dies in collision

Shenshen · 15-08-2013 04:09PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

by any chance is that at the end of the well road start of the skehard road in blackrock?

most dangerous junction ever, for both cars and cyclists, but like they pointed out its safer now for pedestrians, that you never see walking there, ever....so that makes it ok to endanger the lives of cyclists actually in the cycle lane. :rolleyes: its ridiculous logic and a ridiculous junction.

as for this accident, i feel so bad for the truck driver, and the family of the cyclists,

i like many get so annoyed by cyclists and motorists alike breaking rules of the road, but i would never want to see someone hurt or killed.

Nope, it's actually at Mahon Point, you should be able to see it quite well here : https://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=51.884571,-8.398442&spn=0.001556,0.004227&t=h&z=18

I didn't know there was a similar layout in Blackrock... same traffic planner, do you think?

hoodwinked · 15-08-2013 04:12PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Nope, it's actually at Mahon Point, you should be able to see it quite well here : https://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=51.884571,-8.398442&spn=0.001556,0.004227&t=h&z=18

I didn't know there was a similar layout in Blackrock... same traffic planner, do you think?

probably it looks identical :eek: and equally as dangerous if not more so because mahon point has a higher volume of faster traffic.

the junction i referenced

Seaneh · 15-08-2013 04:16PM

Seridisand wrote: »

I'm surprised there aren't a lot more incidents like this. Every morning I get to watch cyclists weave in and out of traffic lanes, jump lights and try to overtake buses on the left hand side, when there turning left.

Ah, nothing like a bit of victim blaming to start an afternoon.

smash · 15-08-2013 04:18PM

eviltwin wrote: »

A cyclist has died and people are arguing about the use of the word Female in the article, ffs, no respect.

Nobody is arguing and nobody is being disrespectful. Just questioning the reason behind it.

kylith · 15-08-2013 04:19PM

P_1 wrote: »

Yeah have to agree the South Quays are a nightmare to cycle, never really had any troubles around Christchurch myself though, always thought the Dame Street, Thomas Street route is the safest way to cycle into the city center from the west.

Coming up Nicholas St toward Christchurch you have to cross the left turning motorist lane to go straight and down onto the quay. Coming up the hill it's very difficult to know if a car's coming up behind you, can be a bit hairy at rush hour.

P_1 · 15-08-2013 04:25PM

kylith wrote: »

Coming up Nicholas St toward Christchurch you have to cross the left turning motorist lane to go straight and down onto the quay. Coming up the hill it's very difficult to know if a car's coming up behind you, can be a bit hairy at rush hour.

Ah I had forgot about the left turning lane there. I can imagine that being fairly dangerous on a bike.

thecatspjs · 15-08-2013 04:25PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

RIP, horrible way to die.

On the topic of Cyclist safety, I see cyclists in town regularly wearing headphones whilst in traffic. Cannon fodder these folk are I tells you.

Cannon fodder? How so? You can have headphones on and still hear traffic and outside world noise.

darced · 15-08-2013 04:33PM

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Sala · 15-08-2013 04:34PM

God bless her that's awful. You have to be so careful with cyclists, they are so vulnerable on the roads.

I have just started cycling and drive a lot and think Dublin is an awful place for cycling. I live near the n11 with cycle lanes on the footpath with are great, but other places have none, or cycle lanes going straight accords left turn junctions- They really need lights for cyclists on these. On other roads I will always crawl along behind a cyclist if Indont think I can overtake 100% safely and you always have some asshole up the arse of your car, or you nearly come to a cropper with someone overtaking on a blind corner.

Ray Palmer · 15-08-2013 04:40PM

thecatspjs wrote: »

Cannon fodder? How so? You can have headphones on and still hear traffic and outside world noise.

There have been studies on the subject and a cyclist with headphones can hear more road sounds than a motorist in a car and that is before they switch on the car radio. How much sound can a motor cyclist hear with their helmet on?

How much use is hearing when cycling is also debatable as in an urban environment sound bounces off so many things it doesn't give you direction of the sound.

Considering a car driver can't hear a bicycle bell you wonder who needs to be able to hear more. I bought an air horn for this very reason.

kylith · 15-08-2013 04:42PM

darced wrote: »

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Because we can't afford cars, yet still need to get places? My bike paid for itself against public transport costs in a couple of months.

darced · 15-08-2013 04:46PM

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mikom · 15-08-2013 04:49PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

RIP
and spare a thought for what that poor truck driver is going through today

Probably the Dublin Port Tunnel.

thesimpsons · 15-08-2013 04:50PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

RIP, horrible way to die.

On the topic of Cyclist safety, I see cyclists in town regularly wearing headphones whilst in traffic. Cannon fodder these folk are I tells you.

saw a teenager this morning wearing headphones, looked like he was cycling to training (hurley sticking way out of his bag). the headphones were those big ones that completely cover the ears - he hadn't a hope of hearing traffic behind him and the way he was merrily cycling along, head bopping to the music, he looked like he hadn't a care in the world.

Dravokivich · 15-08-2013 04:50PM

darced wrote: »

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Why question the intention of the cyclist, if the issue is with the infastructure? You are miss directing your query at the face of this tragedy rather haphazardly.

wil · 15-08-2013 04:50PM

smash wrote: »

Nobody is arguing and nobody is being disrespectful. Just questioning the reason behind it.

A natural reaction, but a young woman is dead and anything blamed here on this specific fatality could at best be speculation and at worst a lot hurtful to the families/friends even witnesses involved.

I've seen this sort of debate rage regularly in both the Motoring and Cycling forums, usually descending in to firmly entrenched hardline views on either side with little resolution.
In the circumstances, that might not prove appropriate for here.

I cycle and drive and I see plenty of issues on both sides.

kylith · 15-08-2013 04:52PM

darced wrote: »

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So what, I should walk everywhere instead? Getting to and from my course by public transport would cost me about a tenner a day; €50 a week that I can't afford to lose from my dole if I want to eat and pay bills.

Surveyor11 · 15-08-2013 05:40PM

thesimpsons wrote: »

saw a teenager this morning wearing headphones, looked like he was cycling to training (hurley sticking way out of his bag). the headphones were those big ones that completely cover the ears - he hadn't a hope of hearing traffic behind him and the way he was merrily cycling along, head bopping to the music, he looked like he hadn't a care in the world.

I know, I've seen plenty of motorists in cars with blaring music, texting, reading, doing make up / shaving and generally not paying attention. No matter what your mode of transport, you've got to have 100% concentration.....

Mr Benevolent · 15-08-2013 05:47PM

Surveyor11 wrote: »

I know, I've seen plenty of motorists in cars with blaring music, texting, reading, doing make up / shaving and generally not paying attention. No matter what your mode of transport, you've got to have 100% concentration.....

... and good reflexes to avoid idiots who do any of the above.

smash · 15-08-2013 06:15PM

wil wrote: »

A natural reaction, but a young woman is dead and anything blamed here on this specific fatality could at best be speculation and at worst a lot hurtful to the families/friends even witnesses involved.

I've seen this sort of debate rage regularly in both the Motoring and Cycling forums, usually descending in to firmly entrenched hardline views on either side with little resolution.
In the circumstances, that might not prove appropriate for here.

I cycle and drive and I see plenty of issues on both sides.

I don't think you meant to reply to me... Since your answer is nothing to do with what I said

eviltwin · 15-08-2013 06:52PM

smash wrote: »

Nobody is arguing and nobody is being disrespectful. Just questioning the reason behind it.

yeah my first reaction when I read about the tragic death of someone is to look at the wording of the article :rolleyes:

keith16 · 15-08-2013 07:08PM

I'm in shock. That stretch of road is a disgrace, the speeds some go through at.

There is little room for cyclists and the pedestrians there are a danger to all road users.

The local councilor quoted in the Indo article is quoted is saying that it is a very quiet road, when in fact, the very opposite is true.

An absolute needless tragedy today. RIP.

Alias G · 15-08-2013 07:13PM

darced wrote: »

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Plenty of people die behind the wheel also. Do you propose no one drives as well.

wil · 15-08-2013 07:29PM

smash wrote: »

I don't think you meant to reply to me... Since your answer is nothing to do with what I said

Apologies, curse of the small screen, meant it in reply to speculation on cause, quoted your post by mistake, and didnt pick up on it till now as in rereading the wording seemed to fit.:o

Rothmans · 15-08-2013 10:56PM

kylith wrote: »

Coming up Nicholas St toward Christchurch you have to cross the left turning motorist lane to go straight and down onto the quay. Coming up the hill it's very difficult to know if a car's coming up behind you, can be a bit hairy at rush hour.

P_1 wrote: »

Ah I had forgot about the left turning lane there. I can imagine that being fairly dangerous on a bike.

But what is the alternative to cylcing lanes coming across these left-turning lanes. I understand it can be dangerous, but I'm just wandering what is the alternative?
EDIT; Just to confirm, this is the type of lane we're talking about, yeah?
http://goo.gl/maps/jpd5M

Sala · 16-08-2013 09:44AM

She has been named as Louise butler, aged 28, cycling to work in the avoca food market in monkstown

Poor girl, And her poor family.

Shenshen · 16-08-2013 10:03AM

Rothmans wrote: »

But what is the alternative to cylcing lanes coming across these left-turning lanes. I understand it can be dangerous, but I'm just wandering what is the alternative?
EDIT; Just to confirm, this is the type of lane we're talking about, yeah?
http://goo.gl/maps/jpd5M

What would be wrong with regulating the cycle lanes alongside the foot paths, rather than treating them as "traffic"? Let the cycle path follow the foot path to the traffic lights, and give them a green light to go left or straight when the motor traffic is standing still?

There's no need for the cycle path to suddenly shoot into the main road.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 16-08-2013 10:05AM

keith16 wrote: »

I'm in shock. That stretch of road is a disgrace, the speeds some go through at.

There is little room for cyclists and the pedestrians there are a danger to all road users.

The local councilor quoted in the Indo article is quoted is saying that it is a very quiet road, when in fact, the very opposite is true.

An absolute needless tragedy today. RIP.

The local councilor is an eejit for thinking that. The local councilor is obviously not local or has ever been on that stretch of road. 60Kmph seems to be the min speed on that road. Try cycling on that road with a damned aircoach whizzing by you. Not nice at all.

kylith · 16-08-2013 10:15AM

Rothmans wrote: »

But what is the alternative to cylcing lanes coming across these left-turning lanes. I understand it can be dangerous, but I'm just wandering what is the alternative?
EDIT; Just to confirm, this is the type of lane we're talking about, yeah?
http://goo.gl/maps/jpd5M

Lights are one option, as Shenshen said, but motorists need to be more aware, and more courteous. I don't know how many times I had to either dismount my bike and use the pedestrian crossing or just say 'fúck it' and veer out with the bike path because motorists simply will not give way to a bike; the 20 seconds it'd take to go across in front of them is too much, is all I can think. You're cycling up the hill, one hand on the bars because you're indicating with the other, you're off balance because you're looking behind you for a gap in the traffic, and very, very few people have the decency to pause and let you get in the right lane.

Honestly, I think anyone going for a driving licence should have to spend a set period of time as a cyclist so that they are aware of just how vulnerable cyclists are, and how much more difficult the things motorists take for granted, like changing lanes, are.

Sala · 16-08-2013 10:30AM

kylith wrote: »

Lights are one option, as Shenshen said, but motorists need to be more aware, and more courteous. I don't know how many times I had to either dismount my bike and use the pedestrian crossing or just say 'fúck it' and veer out with the bike path because motorists simply will not give way to a bike; the 20 seconds it'd take to go across in front of them is too much, is all I can think. You're cycling up the hill, one hand on the bars because you're indicating with the other, you're off balance because you're looking behind you for a gap in the traffic, and very, very few people have the decency to pause and let you get in the right lane.

Honestly, I think anyone going for a driving licence should have to spend a set period of time as a cyclist so that they are aware of just how vulnerable cyclists are, and how much more difficult the things motorists take for granted, like changing lanes, are.

While there is a lot to be said for motorists needing to be more aware if cyclists in left turn lanes, I really wouldn't rely on some sort of education strategy to solve the problem. It would be much safer at dangerous junctions if cyclists and motorists had different lights as there will always be drivers in the left lanes who just pull out and turn left without checking.

Near where I live there is a left turn accross a bicycle lane, and the bike lane itself has a yield sign on the ground. I always slow and let the cyclists go straight as you can never rely on them to know or see the (very unclear) sign that they are supposed to yield.

Female Cyclist dies in collision

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