Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

ugsparky · 13-08-2013 11:02PM

FearDark wrote: »

I know we're feeling down right now but what the hell is that bull****.

It's the bull**** that was spoken about us being a big club and not selling our best players - before we sold Cesc, Nasri, Van Persie, Clichy and Song ... you think this coudn't happen and that it's bull**** ... why's that my friend? Because we are a big club? Because Ivan and Arsene have said no one will be sold? ... the same board of directors and manager who told us we can compete in the transfer market as we are now more financially secure? ... All I'm certain about is that nothing is certain at Arsenal until the transfer window is closed

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:02PM

1) How much will we spend before the transfer window closes?
2) How many first 11 and back-up players will we sign before the transfer window closes?
3) If we sign no-one then where do people expect us to land in the league let's say after 10 matches, at the end of the year and at the end of the season?

ok optimistically:
1) 40m. - 15 on gustavo, 25 on a striker
2) 2
3) if we sign no one, we'll finish 5th or so. with spurs hopping us.
Big Prediction: Wenger wont sign another contract.

edit: oh wait i forgot the squad is very short. **** knows where we'll finish. I'm almost in full on panic mode.

Alfred Borden · 13-08-2013 11:05PM

These next twenty days could decide our clubs future for a long time in my opinion, and tonight things have never looked so glum. Big 3 weeks coming up.

.jacksparrow. · 13-08-2013 11:08PM

Really starting to think Wenger isn't signing a new contract so is reluctant to spend the money.

Alfred Borden · 13-08-2013 11:10PM

Has Ivan conned us all again? Season tickets bought after promise of big signings and Arsene resigning. Whats the odds neither will happen?

13-08-2013 11:10PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Really starting to think Wenger isn't signing a new contract so is reluctant to spend the money.

If that is true then its totally unfair on any potential new manager. Ferguson left Van Persie for Moyes at the very least

gosplan · 13-08-2013 11:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just out of interest (and for quoting over the course of the season :pac: ) I wonder what everyone thinks of the following:
1) How much will we spend before the transfer window closes?
2) How many first 11 and back-up players will we sign before the transfer window closes?
3) If we sign no-one then where do people expect us to land in the league let's say after 10 matches, at the end of the year and at the end of the season?

85 million

4

2nd/1st decline to 5th

Wengers pig headed but he's not crazy. You simply can't expect such a small squad to go all year long. The above is way optimistic. My feeling is we'll get a few players but perhaps not the ones we want.

.jacksparrow. · 13-08-2013 11:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If that is true then its totally unfair on any potential new manager. Ferguson left Van Persie for Moyes at the very least

Ferguson bought him cause he wanted the league badly as it was his last season, and he surely didn't disappoint.

speedboatchase · 13-08-2013 11:12PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Has Ivan conned us all again? Season tickets bought after promise of big signings and Arsene resigning. Whats the odds neither will happen?

There's a theory I've seen a lot that Ivan's bullish statements back in May were seen as a last resort to get Wenger to spend.

ugsparky · 13-08-2013 11:13PM

1) £20m on two players one we've heard of and a utility player - the squad is strong enough and he believes in the quality of it
2) Fringe players at best
3) We'll stay in contention until injuries and suspensions take effect - lose confidence and falter and not have enough in reserve to recover. If we don't compete our best players will feel they have to move on - same as.

This is the worse case scenario - until the last day I do believe we have a plan - unfortunately I've thought this for the last number of years - hence my doubts - like Arseblog I think the clock is against us and we won't get the quality we need

13-08-2013 11:14PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

1) How much will we spend before the transfer window closes?
2) How many first 11 and back-up players will we sign before the transfer window closes?
3) If we sign no-one then where do people expect us to land in the league let's say after 10 matches, at the end of the year and at the end of the season?

ok optimistically:
1) 40m. - 15 on gustavo, 25 on a striker
2) 2
3) if we sign no one, we'll finish 5th or so. with spurs hopping us.
Big Prediction: Wenger wont sign another contract.

edit: oh wait i forgot the squad is very short. **** knows where we'll finish. I'm almost in full on panic mode.

Not necessarily aimed at you but it speaks volumes that a total of 3 signings in the entire transfer window is now optimistic.

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:16PM

I don't blame Gazidis, from his point of view he's done his bit, i.e gotten the deals in place to make the money. He's said the money is there to spend. The money IS there. why isn't it being spent?
Gazidis laid it at arsene's door.
And arsene has done f*ck all with it.

if he stays and signs a new contract we must install a director of football.

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not necessarily aimed at you but it speaks volumes that a total of 3 signings in the entire transfer window is now optimistic.

yep. I thought 4 at the start of the window, 4 of real quality.

now i think 3 is a long shot. its depressing

ugsparky · 13-08-2013 11:26PM

Sorry fellahs - I don't mean to be down and spread gloom - anyone that knows me knows I'm an optimist through and through and always believe we can beat anybody - but it doesn't add up and we all seem to be making excuses. If money wasn't a problem we should have a settled squad with players training together and ready for the new season - including our new players. I think when Arsene goes the truth will come out and I think the only reason players who have left have said nothing is down to the loyalty they have to Arsene - I don't believe it's his fault - I think our financial/transfer poliicy is down to our board of directors - same as any other company - they are the money men and he is their employee - if they wanted to spend money they would demand it of him and replace him if they thought he was not fulfilling his obligations and following the direction of the shareholders.

ugsparky · 13-08-2013 11:29PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

I don't blame Gazidis, from his point of view he's done his bit, i.e gotten the deals in place to make the money. He's said the money is there to spend. The money IS there. why isn't it being spent?
Gazidis laid it at arsene's door.
And arsene has done f*ck all with it.

if he stays and signs a new contract we must install a director of football.

How do you know this to be true? None of us have proof of this - it could be true - more likely to be conjecture fuelled by media speculation and made up journalism

TheBza · 13-08-2013 11:34PM

Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1 6m
David Ornstein: "Arsenal have 3-4 options (other than Suarez), Rooney is one,but the club have accepted that they might not sign a star striker"

TheGunns · 13-08-2013 11:35PM

TheBza wrote: »

Darren ‏@DarrenArsenal1 6m
David Ornstein: "Arsenal have 3-4 options (other than Suarez), Rooney is one,but the club have accepted that they might not sign a star striker"

Sounds like Gomis to me :rolleyes:

Marty McFly · 13-08-2013 11:35PM

ugsparky wrote: »

How do you know this to be true? None of us have proof of this - it could be true - more likely to be conjecture fuelled by media speculation and made up journalism

Gazidis said it clear and loud at the Q&A there was money there to spend and we had the money to sign and pay the wages of big players and he said it was up to Wenger who he spent it on.

It's not media speculation at all, if we fail this summer it falls firmly at Wenger's feet and no one else's. Every report also backs it up that Wenger decides a players value and how much to bid, he needs a David Dein there to push him and without that he won't. If this summer end in failure which I'm still hopeful it wont but if it does it will be Wenger's head that hits the chopping block and faces the brunt of the fans anger.

farna_boy · 13-08-2013 11:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just out of interest (and for quoting over the course of the season :pac: ) I wonder what everyone thinks of the following:
1) How much will we spend before the transfer window closes?
2) How many first 11 and back-up players will we sign before the transfer window closes?
3) If we sign no-one then where do people expect us to land in the league let's say after 10 matches, at the end of the year and at the end of the season?

1) 5/6
2) Probably in excess of 50m
3) After 10 matches (without looking at fixtures) 7W/2D/1L - maybe 2nd/3rd
At end of year joint 3rd
At end of season 3rd, close to second, but it depends more on others than it does on us.

Paulegend · 13-08-2013 11:37PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

Gazidis said it clear and loud at the Q&A there was money there to spend and we had the money to sign and pay the wages of big players and he said it was up to Wenger who he spent it on.

It's not media speculation at all, if we fail this summer it falls firmly at Wenger's feet and no one else's. Every report also backs it up that Wenger decides a players value and how much to bid, he needs a David Dein there to push him and without that he won't. If this summer end in failure which I'm still hopeful it wont but if it does it will be Wenger's head that hits the chopping block and faces the brunt of the fans anger.

yea he didnt just say it to sell season tickets like every season for the last 5 years:rolleyes:

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:38PM

Well gazidis came out in that press conference saying we had money and the accounts certainly back him up.

I'm at a loss to explain why we appear to have had such poor transfer planning done for this crucial window.

Not going to argue with anyone in the thread here as we all just want the best for the club.

Paulegend · 13-08-2013 11:39PM

arsenal also have one of the biggest operating outgoings do they not?? wasnt there some report that totally quashed the whole "arsenal have loads of money to spend" theory. it was the swiss ramble or something like that

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:41PM

Paulegend wrote: »

yea he didnt just say it to sell season tickets like every season for the last 5 years:rolleyes:

I think a global club like arsenal or Liverpool will sell out it's season tickets regardless of what the chief executive says at a press conference.

Marty McFly · 13-08-2013 11:41PM

Paulegend wrote: »

yea he didnt just say it to sell season tickets like every season for the last 5 years:rolleyes:

No despite what many think season tickets would sell anyway, Gazidis this summer admitted and praised Wenger for helping Arsenal through the tough times and rightfully so, but we also didn't need Gazidis to shine a light on the obvious the club has a lot more disposable income now valued at fourth most valuable club in the world by forbes with some serious cash in the bank and and big sponsorship deals coming into play in the next year or two.

If you follow any reliable Arsenal source one thing they all agree on is Wenger decides who to go for and how much to spend it's one the few things they are never in dispute about.

the untitled user · 13-08-2013 11:43PM

I think it's a bit pointless to blame Wenger and/or Gazidis and the board for the lack of activity this Summer. We were in for a number of different strikers at the start of the summer but we dropped them all when informed of Suarez 'clause.' Agents are an unreliable sort but they usually aren't so badly wrong as to think a good faith clause is a release clause. The whole situation is a complete ****up on the part of Suarez's camp who strung us along as much as they've been stringing Pool along.

Anyway, according to Swiss Ramble we've in the region of 70-80 to spend. So now, we're faced with the choice of blowing the majority of our budget on our preferred target, and leaving little room to maneuver when it comes to signing the much needed backup in other positions. Or dropping our interest in our preferred target entirely (not ideal given our 2nd and 3rd choices have already been sold this summer, who the hell do we get in? there's no one else whom you could consider to be of the same level of Suarez' available).

Marty McFly · 13-08-2013 11:43PM

Paulegend wrote: »

arsenal also have one of the biggest operating outgoings do they not?? wasnt there some report that totally quashed the whole "arsenal have loads of money to spend" theory. it was the swiss ramble or something like that

No and no in fact swissramble just said we have money to spend, also our wage bill is fourth highest in the league behind City, Chelsea and Uniteds.

bad2dabone · 13-08-2013 11:44PM

Arsenal have more cash reserves than nearly all the other pl clubs combined . According to the Swiss ramble.
Which is just madness.

As at the end of the 2011/12 season (the latest year when football clubs have published their accounts), Arsenal had an incredible £154 million of cash, which is significantly higher than any of their competitors with Manchester United the closest with £71 million (less than half the Gunners’ cash pile). An even more amazing statistic is that Arsenal have almost as much cash as the rest of the Premier League’s other 19 clubs combined (£181 million).

Marty McFly · 13-08-2013 11:46PM

the untitled user wrote: »

Anyway, according to Swiss Ramble we've in the region of 70-80 to spend. So now, we're faced with the choice of blowing the majority of our budget on our preferred target, and leaving little room to maneuver when it comes to signing the much needed backup in other positions. Or dropping our interest in our preferred target entirely (not ideal given our 2nd and 3rd choices have already been sold this summer, who the hell do we get in? there's no one else whom you could consider to be of the same level of Suarez' available).

I've seen reports saying we could easily spend 100 million and still have plenty of cash left in reserve. We have saved a huge amount on wages this summer and brought in roughly just over ten million in transfer fees aswell as the cash that was already there.

Marty McFly · 13-08-2013 11:47PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

Arsenal have more cash reserves than nearly all the other pl clubs combined . According to the Swiss ramble.
Which is just madness.

No I think Swiss Ramble said we do in fact have more cash reserves than every other club in the league combined was it not?

Paulegend · 13-08-2013 11:47PM

how come he wont spend then. my brother is a huge arsenal fan and im always frustrated that wenger just wont spend. arsenal have been so close to the top over teh last 10 years and if wenger just bought one or two top players when he could have arsenal could have competed. like this summer ye have cash and there have been players for sale such as moutinho navas lewdewinski cavani falcao and so on and arsenal just wont spend.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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