Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:10PM

robopaddy wrote: »

shur go for it why not im game for a laugh

i'll do it tomorrow to appease you, it's getting near my bed time!!!

robopaddy · 13-08-2013 09:13PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

I still don't see Donal Og as a potential candidate until I hear something from the man himself. But, given his tactical knowledge and most importnatly his player first approach he might actuallly be a godsend, because I dunno would some of these players respond to a zero tolerance hardline another manager might come in and attempt to implement.

yea im not buying into this donal og cusack thing tbh has he even expressed an interest in management like? someone above saying rumours are rife in cork but is it not due for discussion with the county board until september?

Dont get me wrong I really admire the guy and you cant but be impressed with his indepth detail on the Sunday Game but it reminds a bit of Davy Fitz when we gave him his first taste of intercounty management except Davy had club and college experience behind him I dont know what credentials Og Cusack has at this stage. If he was to take it your talking about a couple of years at least for him to learn his trade as a manager aswell as anything else. God knows we were guniea pigs for davy fitz for long enough is it really what we need again

robopaddy · 13-08-2013 09:14PM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

i'll do it tomorrow to appease you, it's getting near my bed time!!!

ok i'll hold you to it dont know if i can handle the humilitation though....

Mountainlad · 13-08-2013 09:17PM

robopaddy wrote: »

yea im not buying into this donal og cusack thing tbh has he even expressed an interest in management like? someone above saying rumours are rife in cork but is it not due for discussion with the county board until september?

Dont get me wrong I really admire the guy and you cant but be impressed with his indepth detail on the Sunday Game but it reminds a bit of Davy Fitz when we gave him his first taste of intercounty management except Davy had club and college experience behind him I dont know what credentials Og Cusack has at this stage. If he was to take it your talking about a couple of years at least for him to learn his trade as a manager aswell as anything else. God knows we were guniea pigs for davy fitz for long enough is it really what we need again

Well, I guess there are those that tell you he was running Cork at the end of it, or all good things about them (hard to know what to believe there).

I think he's smarter than Fitz, would give everything he has to the cause. Tactically I think he's astute and knows the game very well. Still not convinced that Fitzgerald knows what's best for his team out in Clare. But yeah it would definite;y be a gamble. On the flip side, I don't see any appointment not being a gamble.

Donal O'Grady would never take it, no money going and he is pretty shrewd when it comes to finding a job that will make him look good. Don't blame him on that score either.

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:19PM

robopaddy wrote: »

ok i'll hold you to it dont know if i can handle the humilitation though....

you don't have the intellect to realise you should be embarrassed!!

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:21PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Well, I guess there are those that tell you he was running Cork at the end of it, or all good things about them (hard to know what to believe there).

I think he's smarter than Fitz, would give everything he has to the cause. Tactically I think he's astute and knows the game very well. Still not convinced that Fitzgerald knows what's best for his team out in Clare. But yeah it would definite;y be a gamble. On the flip side, I don't see any appointment not being a gamble.

Donal O'Grady would never take it, no money going and he is pretty shrewd when it comes to finding a job that will make him look good. Don't blame him on that score either.

Grady has a retired principals pension, he works for tv3 and tg4, id say his bank account is healthy, why would he take on the aggro of the Waterford job and forfeit his tidy side gigs? It'll never happen. Only reason he took limerick for the year was because jp handed him a blank cheque!

13-08-2013 09:25PM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

Grady has a retired principals pension, he works for tv3 and tg4, id say his bank account is healthy, why would he take on the aggro of the Waterford job and forfeit his tidy side gigs? It'll never happen. Only reason he took limerick for the year was because jp handed him a blank cheque!

He works for RTE and TG4...aha so you dont know it all

Did you see the cheque JP wrote him? Otherwise how would you know it was blank?

Mountainlad · 13-08-2013 09:28PM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

Grady has a retired principals pension, he works for tv3 and tg4, id say his bank account is healthy, why would he take on the aggro of the Waterford job and forfeit his tidy side gigs? It'll never happen. Only reason he took limerick for the year was because jp handed him a blank cheque!

Think I implied that?

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He works for RTE and TG4...aha so you dont know it all

Did you see the cheque JP wrote him? Otherwise how would you know it was blank?

you'd be surprised who I'd be talking to

Mountainlad · 13-08-2013 09:29PM

Here we go lads http://www.waterfordgaa.ie/news/276645/STATEMENT_FROM_WATERFORD_COUNTY_EXECUTIVE

Ok that said very little

doz · 13-08-2013 09:29PM

STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF WATERFORD COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

On behalf of the Executive of CLG Port Lairge, the term of office of the current Management team and panel ended with our defeat to Kilkenny.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude and thanks to Michael Ryan - Team Manager, his selectors, panel of players and back room staff.

Michael has given a lifetime of service to the GAA and has given 100% dedication and commitment during his term as Waterford Senior Hurling Manager.

His knowledge and level of input cannot be questioned. The Executive would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge this.

In looking forward to the 2014 season, we will be seeking nominations, as is the norm for a new management team.

The position of Manager will be open to all interested parties. Should the outgoing Manager wish to put his name forward, it will be considered equally with all others who may express an interest.

There will be no further comment from the Executive on this matter.

END OF STATEMENT.

--
Emer Barry
PRO, CLG Port Lairge

Pathetic statement apart from thanking Ryan for his services. They seem to be adopting the 'bury the head in the sand' approach which is unfortunate for all concerned. Now more than ever it will be interesting to see what Ryan has to say on Thursday night.

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:29PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Think I implied that?

I wasn't contradicting only reinforcing what you had said!

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 09:31PM

doz wrote: »

STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF WATERFORD COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

On behalf of the Executive of CLG Port Lairge, the term of office of the current Management team and panel ended with our defeat to Kilkenny.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude and thanks to Michael Ryan - Team Manager, his selectors, panel of players and back room staff.

Michael has given a lifetime of service to the GAA and has given 100% dedication and commitment during his term as Waterford Senior Hurling Manager.

His knowledge and level of input cannot be questioned. The Executive would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge this.

In looking forward to the 2014 season, we will be seeking nominations, as is the norm for a new management team.

The position of Manager will be open to all interested parties. Should the outgoing Manager wish to put his name forward, it will be considered equally with all others who may express an interest.

There will be no further comment from the Executive on this matter.

END OF STATEMENT.

--
Emer Barry
PRO, CLG Port Lairge

Pathetic statement apart from thanking Ryan for his services. They seem to be adopting the 'bury the head in the sand' approach which is unfortunate for all concerned. Now more than ever it will be interesting to see what Ryan has to say on Saturday night.

Robopaddy wants to know where he can send his CV he will also incude a screengrab of his knowledgable and insightful posts!

rebel girl 15 · 13-08-2013 09:46PM

Sam, your posting style is very much flirting with the boundary of the forum charter as regards personal attacks, a charter you should make yourself very familiar with

No problem with discussion, but its starting to become personal between a number of posters, don't let it get any further than this, or actions will be taken

chinguetti · 13-08-2013 09:50PM

You wonder why they put out a statement at all. :rolleyes:

CB has really folded and you would wonder what they do at all. Is it any wonder that they're €500,000/€700,000 in debt?

lovelypoint · 13-08-2013 09:57PM

Ropaire wrote: »

If bringing the u21s and seniors in under the same manager was adopted and Flannagan and Cunningham were still part of it, the exposure the u21s would get would be excellent. Especially when you look at the clubs alot of the current minor team are playing on, I'd fear some of them tailing off playing at junior and intermediate clubs and this type of setup would be invaluable to potentialy keeping some of them at a competitive level through the exposure they'd get.
Are our county board cute enough to try something like that though? Are they ****!

I also think this is the way forward, and would extend it to a complete blueprint that involved the minors, U21s, intermediates and seniors. I would see them all slotting together something like:

Minors: conveyor belt of young talent. Managed by u21 selector and additional dedicated minor selectors.

U21's: current u21's and very promising minors. Managed by senior selector and additional dedicated u21 selectors.

Intermediates: fringe senior players, late blooming but unproven senior canditates, u21's being looked at for inclusion in the senior panel. Managed by senior selector and additional dedicated intermediate selectors.

Seniors: current senior panel. Management team: senior manager, u21 selector, intermediate selector, and additional dedicated senior selectors if needed.

I think such a structure could be quite beneficial, especially to ensure smoother transitions through the ranks. I would avoid giving the senior manager the reins over other grades though, as it would be too much of a risk or potentially too damaging if it went wrong. Linking the grades through selectors in one grade being the manager of an adjacent grade, I would feel a good and structured way to pull it all together though.

lovelypoint · 13-08-2013 10:01PM

doz wrote: »

STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF WATERFORD COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

On behalf of the Executive of CLG Port Lairge, the term of office of the current Management team and panel ended with our defeat to Kilkenny.

We would like to express our sincere gratitude and thanks to Michael Ryan - Team Manager, his selectors, panel of players and back room staff.

Michael has given a lifetime of service to the GAA and has given 100% dedication and commitment during his term as Waterford Senior Hurling Manager.

His knowledge and level of input cannot be questioned. The Executive would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge this.

In looking forward to the 2014 season, we will be seeking nominations, as is the norm for a new management team.

The position of Manager will be open to all interested parties. Should the outgoing Manager wish to put his name forward, it will be considered equally with all others who may express an interest.

There will be no further comment from the Executive on this matter.

END OF STATEMENT.

--
Emer Barry
PRO, CLG Port Lairge

Pathetic statement apart from thanking Ryan for his services. They seem to be adopting the 'bury the head in the sand' approach which is unfortunate for all concerned. Now more than ever it will be interesting to see what Ryan has to say on Thursday night.

Hmm, thats a bit unfortunate. I would personally have hoped they would have formed an impartial committee to decide the new management team, and although the statement does not preclude it, it doesn't look like the way they will proceed.

robopaddy · 13-08-2013 10:04PM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

you don't have the intellect to realise you should be embarrassed!!

ah cheers your a gentleman and a scholar

Mr Tibbs · 13-08-2013 10:07PM

Jeez there's more point scoring going on here than there was in Croke Park last Sunday.

Mountainlad · 13-08-2013 10:16PM

lovelypoint wrote: »

Hmm, thats a bit unfortunate. I would personally have hoped they would have formed an impartial committee to decide the new management team, and although the statement does not preclude it, it doesn't look like the way they will proceed.

Little hope by the sounds of it http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/waterford-to-consider-candidates-to-succeed-michael-ryan-as-manager-1.1492221

lovelypoint · 13-08-2013 10:24PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Little hope by the sounds of it http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/waterford-to-consider-candidates-to-succeed-michael-ryan-as-manager-1.1492221

The composition of the sub-committee then was county chair, secretary and treasurer and it isn’t believed likely that any former players will be involved in the process this time either.

You would seem to be right. It would be nice to have a CB that were either capable or forward thinking..

rebel girl 15 · 13-08-2013 10:35PM

Sam yellowed for personal abuse, Robo for ignoring my on thread warning - leave the personal stuff out

Sam Swarek · 13-08-2013 10:37PM

Not the first yellow card Ive ever received! Can I get it rescinded on appeal like Henry Shefflin?

Motivator · 13-08-2013 10:54PM

I wonder what kind of reception the player who's doing a line with Skully's daughter will get when he next goes around for tea? :eek:

doz · 13-08-2013 11:04PM

Motivator wrote: »

I wonder what kind of reception the player who's doing a line with Skully's daughter will get when he next goes around for tea? :eek:

I think it's actually 'players' in the plural but let's leave it at that! It's going to be pretty uncomfortable!

On that note you would have to wonder whether the split in the camp could lead to some players making themselves unavailable for next year?

Thinkstoomuch · 13-08-2013 11:11PM

Donal Og Cusack is in the running,according to the Echo and got the backing of Mullane.

Michael ryan is on Championship matters Thursday.

culbaire · 14-08-2013 12:21AM

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack is in the running,according to the Echo and got the backing of Mullane.

Michael ryan is on Championship matters Thursday.

Who cares what Mullane says on this matter? The country board is in debt to the tune of €700,000.

Amprodude · 14-08-2013 12:48AM

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack is in the running,according to the Echo and got the backing of Mullane.

Another Corkman managing a different county. You would think with the crisis Cork have with the lack ofunderage success, we would be keeping all our previous heroes and get them involved coaching underage teams in order to get back a bit of success again.

alllcounty · 14-08-2013 07:01AM

Sam Swarek wrote: »

Not the first yellow card Ive ever received! Can I get it rescinded on appeal like Henry Shefflin?

Shut up you idiot. I'm still seeting with rage the way the 18 players have treated the manager. He gave so much to the betterment of waterford hurling these past 2 years and during that time I really felt energised we were back heading in the right direction for ultimate honours. 12 players on that panel shared my view, that's 40% didn't want him to go. You would normally find fringe players on any panel would not be happy with management as they are not getting enough game time. That means of the starting team there proberly was a majority that wanted him to stay. Many of those hurlers played their best hurling under Ryan. This was Nagel's best year in a waterford shirt, Brick had returned to his best, Moran won his first all star last year and gave an exhibition against kilkenny, Lawler and darragh fives played their best games ever against kilkenny, dillion showed great work ethic all year and chipped in with some good scores in the championship in his debut season. The list goes on further. From what I've gathered the reason they wanted him out is some didn't like his west waterford accent and that he delegated too much responsibility. He is the manager, not the coach, they are seperate roles with seperate responsibilities. One trains the team in training sessions and the other glues the whole thing together between selectors, players, media, county board, team talks, etc. He sourounded himself with hurling men and did what was asked of him. The performances were there. In the last 5 years other counties like limerick, clare, cork dublin and galway have come out of periods of unrest and panels that were way behind in the modern game. It was easy for waterford to be number 3 during this time. Any time we played kilkenny during this time it never at once looked like we would beat them. They often played us in 3rd gear and won by 7 points or more. This year was the first time since 98 before cody came in, that it looked like we could beat kilkenny. I really felt we were finally heading in the right direction. Now these 18 cowards have destroyed all that. They have put themselves under huge pressure for the next 3 years to get results. If they fail, this mess they have put us in will be thrown back at them. We had a good thing going here, excellent fitness trainers, a good defence coach in Cullinane who was our best full back of all time, a good trainer in Cunningham from limerick and a decent man with no ego to glue it all together. I dont think i can ever forgive those 18 backstabbing cowards for what they've done if they have ended up destroying the improvements we were making under this present management.

robopaddy · 14-08-2013 07:30AM

alllcounty wrote: »

Shut up you idiot. I'm still seeting with rage the way the 18 players have treated the manager. He gave so much to the betterment of waterford hurling these past 2 years and during that time I really felt energised we were back heading in the right direction for ultimate honours. 12 players on that panel shared my view, that's 40% didn't want him to go. You would normally find fringe players on any panel would not be happy with management as they are not getting enough game time. That means of the starting team there proberly was a majority that wanted him to stay. Many of those hurlers played their best hurling under Ryan. This was Nagel's best year in a waterford shirt, Brick had returned to his best, Moran won his first all star last year and gave an exhibition against kilkenny, Lawler and darragh fives played their best games ever against kilkenny, dillion showed great work ethic all year and chipped in with some good scores in the championship in his debut season. The list goes on further. From what I've gathered the reason they wanted him out is some didn't like his west waterford accent and that he delegated too much responsibility. He is the manager, not the coach, they are seperate roles with seperate responsibilities. One trains the team in training sessions and the other glues the whole thing together between selectors, players, media, county board, team talks, etc. He sourounded himself with hurling men and did what was asked of him. The performances were there. In the last 5 years other counties like limerick, clare, cork dublin and galway have come out of periods of unrest and panels that were way behind in the modern game. It was easy for waterford to be number 3 during this time. Any time we played kilkenny during this time it never at once looked like we would beat them. They often played us in 3rd gear and won by 7 points or more. This year was the first time since 98 before cody came in, that it looked like we could beat kilkenny. I really felt we were finally heading in the right direction. Now these 18 cowards have destroyed all that. They have put themselves under huge pressure for the next 3 years to get results. If they fail, this mess they have put us in will be thrown back at them. We had a good thing going here, excellent fitness trainers, a good defence coach in Cullinane who was our best full back of all time, a good trainer in Cunningham from limerick and a decent man with no ego to glue it all together. I dont think i can ever forgive those 18 backstabbing cowards for what they've done if they have ended up destroying the improvements we were making under this present management.

Ur out of order there kid. jesus no one was murdered. Ive no doubt thes players did it with the best of intentions and until we know the full story I dont think we can really make judgement.

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