Garda Siochana in Shell to see session shocker.

Grumpypants · 12-08-2013 01:03PM

The tax payer can't win, we get no tax revenue from the oil and now the bribes for the cops are being purchased up north cutting out that tax revenue too. That shell crowd are crafty.

wazky · 12-08-2013 01:07PM

Its certainly a slippery situation.

FanadMan · 12-08-2013 01:10PM

They do a hard job and deserve any wee benefit they can get like cheap/free coffee or booze. They try and protect us and our homes from the scum of the earth....normally in the hardest of conditions and facing criticism at every turn. Fair play to them and hope they enjoyed the booze

Dostoevsky · 12-08-2013 01:12PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

They havent actually denied it, they said they found no evidence. Subtle difference

Hehe. You're going places!

mcwinning · 12-08-2013 01:14PM

Good for them. Generally no fan of AGS but the guys and girls down there have to put up with so much crap from those obnoxious Luddite 'protesters' that they are more than deserving of a few cold brews or bottles of whiskey.

tommy2bad · 12-08-2013 01:17PM

Well as this story broke in the Observer,I'm sure the dail break is really taxing them for stories.
It's not the gratuity thats the issue it's the sises of it! 35k is a lot of booze. Not the same as sending a hamper at xmas by way of appreciation. This is corruption and bribery.
Do you think the protesters sent any 'gifts'? You can be sure they didn't because unless it topped 35k the gardai would have arrested them for attempted bribery.

jester77 · 12-08-2013 01:20PM

Nice alliteration.

eireannBEAR · 12-08-2013 01:20PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Do you think the protesters sent any 'gifts'? You can be sure they didn't because unless it topped 35k the gardai would have arrested them for attempted bribery.

Very well said,it would of ended in one of two ways arrest or refusal of the goods by the gardai.

But id imagine arrest.

hfallada · 12-08-2013 01:27PM

Its corruption went you want something in return. What did the Gardas do in return, nothing as Shell was only giving gifts.Like Im sure the local petrol station would send in a few bottles.

Irish people dont know what real corruption is as it never seen in day to day life. Real corruption is being stopped by a policeman checking if your lights work, your cars papers and other random **** until you give him a back hander. Or having to send in a brown envelope for your planning to be approved. Yes corruption exists in Ireland, but also exists in every country in the world. But it only affects a very small amount of Irish people.

eireannBEAR · 12-08-2013 01:30PM

hfallada wrote: »

Its corruption went you want something in return. What did the Gardas do in return, nothing as Shell was only giving gifts.Like Im sure the local petrol station would send in a few bottles.

Irish people dont know what real corruption is as it never seen in day to day life. Real corruption is being stopped by a policeman checking if your lights work, your cars papers and other random **** until you give him a back hander. Or having to send in a brown envelope for your planning to be approved. Yes corruption exists in Ireland, but also exists in every country in the world. But it only affects a very small amount of Irish people.

Ok fine then,lets just allow corruption once it doesnt effect us(at the minute),thats what we did with the banks and look what happened there.

tommy2bad · 12-08-2013 01:32PM

It isn't even that big an issue for the gardai who according to posters here get stuff all the time.
This is about Shell who have form in this kind of thing. Make you wonder how much booze the minister got to grant them a free licence in the first place.
Shell could be responsible for the state we are in now, keeping the whole cabinet drunk for the last 10 years

Earthwalker · 12-08-2013 01:32PM

FanadMan wrote: »

They do a hard job and deserve any wee benefit they can get like cheap/free coffee or booze. They try and protect us and our homes from the scum of the earth....normally in the hardest of conditions and facing criticism at every turn. Fair play to them and hope they enjoyed the booze

I can't believe some of the crap (such as the above) that has been posted on the thread so far. No wonder the Burke & co got away with what they did for so long.

You say they have a tough job and you are right, they do, but they bloody well get paid to that job. A job might I add which is in the mean supposed to be carried out in an impartial manner, not where you have taken a sweetener from one side and so therefore would be comprised if anyone suggested conflict of interest.

Think i'm starting to see the battering of protesters in a somewhat different light.

Wile E. Coyote · 12-08-2013 01:37PM

Allyall wrote: »

They all drink Midleton 1973 Whiskey (10 bottles fit in the van), and free cans of Fosters/Harp/Dutch Gold/Cider that they take from underage drinkers every now and then.

It must have been bottles of Midleton because they managed to fit it all into the back of a Ford Galaxy according to this receipt which was issued 5 years after the event....:rolleyes:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2013/03/28/shell-accused-of-corrupting-irish-police-force/

Cienciano · 12-08-2013 01:39PM

Earthwalker wrote: »

I can't believe some of the crap (such as the above) that has been posted on the thread so far. No wonder the Burke & co got away with what they did for so long.

You say they have a tough job and you are right, they do, but they bloody well get paid to that job. A job might I add which is in the mean supposed to be carried out in an impartial manner, not where you have taken a sweetener from one side and so therefore would be comprised if anyone suggested conflict of interest.

Think i'm starting to see the battering of protesters in a somewhat different light.

Was with you up to the last sentence. Any STS video about police brutality has either not been police brutality, or suspicious bits cut out so you don't see what happened before. If it's as bad as the STS protesters say it is, and the way they seem to video everything, youtube should be full of STS videos of clear cut police brutality. But it's not.
I'm not a fan of the police in ireland (too many experiences of them not giving a shíte), but from any video I've seen from Rossport, they have never done anything bad.

Cody Pomeray · 12-08-2013 01:52PM

Aside from whether or not there is corruption, it is an offence to make a gift of alcohol (or any refreshment) to a Garda, unless you first have the permission of a superior officer.

So you'd think there'd be some record.

Essentially you can't even sell an ice cream to an on-duty Garda. So it should be obvious to everyone why a €35k gift of free booze should be a problem. Are people that naive?

end of the road · 12-08-2013 01:56PM

Jester252 wrote: »

So a company, with a not so good past with Shell, claims Shell gave alcohol to the gardas. Smell a bit like they just what to stir up sh1t for Shell.

I guess the protesters will love this.

ah god love them, shur poor shell are squeaky clean and wouldn't do anything to anyone, they don't deserve this tarnishing of their good name, oh wait is this the same company i'm talking about, sorry, got it wrong there, must be the wrong company

joe swanson · 12-08-2013 02:03PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

It must have been bottles of Midleton because they managed to fit it all into the back of a Ford Galaxy according to this receipt which was issued 5 years after the event....:rolleyes:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2013/03/28/shell-accused-of-corrupting-irish-police-force/

That invoice looks very strange. Nice even numbers with a huge amount of detail so many years after. Bit sus i think.

Cienciano · 12-08-2013 02:03PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Nah, sure when I was purchasing manager in my company, I used to get loads of free stuff every year. I had to buy relatively little booze for Christmas. I'd get wine, whiskey, beer, food hampers etc... from suppliers and service providers I did custom with - it was a thank you for the custom and the service provision in the year gone by.

I moved over to sales manager afterwards and the shoe was on the opposite foot, I'd be given a budget to get gifts for customers to thank for their custom.

But, in fairness some customers provided gifts for me also as recognition and thanks for providing particular products and/or services. All of it a show of appreciation. But also, if a customer gave me a €200 hamper and a different customer gave nothing, I know who I would go the extra mile for or who would take priority. It's a degree of marketing.

The bit i highlited is exactly why it's wrong to accept gifts if you're the gardai. Throw the garda station a grands worth of booze and fags if you own a pub, blind eye can be turned to after hours drinking and a quick phonecall to the pub owner if a drink driving checkpoint is to be set up.
Gifts are effectively bribes.

Frank Black · 12-08-2013 02:05PM

Earthwalker wrote: »

Think i'm starting to see the battering of protesters in a somewhat different light.

What battering?

Any clips I've seen of the 'protests' seem to show large groups of people blocking the public roads or being deliberatively provocative in an attempt to get a reaction from the Guards.

Perhaps you could provide some evidence of these batterings?

Wile E. Coyote · 12-08-2013 02:08PM

joe swanson wrote: »

That invoice looks very strange. Nice even numbers with a huge amount of detail so many years after. Bit sus i think.

Yeah, nice round numbers, lots of detail, 5 years after the fact and a fake VAT number. It's more than a little sus.

end of the road · 12-08-2013 02:09PM

hfallada wrote: »

Its corruption went you want something in return. What did the Gardas do in return, nothing as Shell was only giving gifts.Like Im sure the local petrol station would send in a few bottles.

they brutalised protesters in return, we cannot allow oil companies who are taking our natural resources and giving us pittence for itbecause of corrupt politicians to be allowed to in anyway possibly corrupt influence and bribe our boys

hfallada wrote: »

Irish people dont know what real corruption is as it never seen in day to day life. Real corruption is being stopped by a policeman checking if your lights work, your cars papers and other random **** until you give him a back hander. Or having to send in a brown envelope for your planning to be approved. Yes corruption exists in Ireland, but also exists in every country in the world. But it only affects a very small amount of Irish people.

corruption is corruption, big or small, if its influencing people to one side specially in a situation like mayo then it can't be allowed

Micky Dolenz · 12-08-2013 02:17PM

AGS are for forbidden to take "gifts". They get paid to do their job.

They didn't even buy the booze local. For shame.

Cienciano · 12-08-2013 02:21PM

end of the road wrote: »

they brutalised protesters in return, we cannot allow oil companies who are taking our natural resources and giving us pittence for itbecause of corrupt politicians to be allowed to in anyway possibly corrupt influence and bribe our boys

corruption is corruption, big or small, if its influencing people to one side specially in a situation like mayo then it can't be allowed

Not this shíte again, jesus wept.
This is what happened according to shell to sea (paraphrasing)
"We knew there was 300 billion euros worth (they pluck a figure out of their arse, so I will too) and Ray Burke signed it all away to Shell if they gave him €20k in a brown envelope so he could build an extension on his gaff"

Aka Ishur · 12-08-2013 02:22PM

I anyone thinks that ''invoice'' is real, they should contact me, I have a friend, a Nigerian prince who needs a small favour...

Allyall · 12-08-2013 02:46PM

Aka Ishur wrote: »

I anyone thinks that ''invoice'' is real, they should contact me, I have a friend, a Nigerian prince who needs a small favour...

What does he want? I may be able to help him out.

Cody Pomeray · 12-08-2013 02:47PM

Yea I'm embarrassed for whoever came up with that 'invoice'.

Hate to say it because it's hard to imagine the story came from nowhere, but that now really undermines everything they're saying.

Ray Palmer · 12-08-2013 03:02PM

I was going to post up I wouldn't be surprised that this was made up by the protestors. After seeing the "invoice" I think I am even more suspicious that this is the case. The protestors have shown themselves as very corrupt and disingenuous on a number of issues.

golfball37 · 12-08-2013 03:07PM

The Gards would do the bidding of a foreign multi national over its own citizens without the need of bribery anyway. Thats the real issue here.

Amirani · 12-08-2013 03:27PM

slavetothegrind wrote: »

if it's in the independent i'm sure its true......and thoroughly investigated

The Observer ran with it yesterday, obviously a very reputable paper. The Independent are just reporting on their scoop.

Ray Palmer · 12-08-2013 03:43PM

golfball37 wrote: »

The Gards would do the bidding of a foreign multi national over its own citizens without the need of bribery anyway. Thats the real issue here.

These "citizens" claimed they were being raped when being removed. They then promoted a recording of guarda "threatening" to rape them. The recording was people joking about the accusations who happened to be guarda

The protestors were violent on more than one occasion. They trespassed, blocked vehicles etc...

While the company followed the laws. In other words they were doing their job

Garda Siochana in Shell to see session shocker.

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