Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Love2u · 09-08-2013 11:27PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Nothing gets past you.

Eejit: A Scot and Irish word for idiot.

The person is on your side, and you do not even realize it.

Anyway who rebuts with "yawn, boring" to logic and then does not know who is on their side or not- when clearly they have stated their point- is by the definition an eejit.

Something tells me you had to sit next time to the smart kids in class...:D

The reason I misread the other persons post was because I was multi tasking!! But thanks for your inspiring reply all the same! And might you be the "eegit" for continuously annoying people in here with your insane thoughts about wanting everyone dead by the death penalty, then you bring "hitler" into the thread. There's one eegit here and it's not me!

epluribusunum · 09-08-2013 11:31PM

Love2u wrote: »

The reason I misread the other persons post was because I was multi tasking!! But thanks for your inspiring reply all the same! And might you be the "eegit" for continuously annoying people in here with your insane thoughts about wanting everyone dead by the death penalty, then you bring "hitler" into the thread. There's one eegit here and it's not me!

Multi-tasking?

Baby steps I suggest....you are not at the level of reading a sentence and doing another thing yet I guess.

I do not want everyone dead, just those deserving. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though. Were you multi-tasking that time too?

Love2u · 09-08-2013 11:36PM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Multi-tasking?

Baby steps I suggest....you are not at the level of reading a sentence and doing another thing yet I guess.

I do not want everyone dead, just those deserving. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though. Were you multi-tasking that time too?

I think it's time you were banned from writing in here. Your personality is really shining through now. Why don't you sign off and start a new thread on hitler!

Cedrus · 09-08-2013 11:50PM

catallus wrote: »

You're over-analyzing the whole thing.

Over Analysing????
It's a gross simplification if anything!

catallus wrote: »

The next scrote doesn't have any incentive to stop offending as things stand.

Do you really believe that a scrote faced with a series of multiplying sentences will behave the same as another faced with only one ultimate sentence.
I believe not. You only have to look at the shyte drivers acting like lunatics on Irish roads who SUDDENLY remember ALL of the Rules of the Road as soon as a squad car appears.

On the Hitler question. I believe (from what I know though popular culture rather than proper judicial deliberations) that Hitler and many more, do deserve the death sentence for the crimes they committed, authorised or sanctioned. However, I do not want to be part of a society that would commit this sentence.

Killing people is wrong, whoever does it.

epluribusunum · 09-08-2013 11:56PM

Love2u wrote: »

I think it's time you were banned from writing in here. Your personality is really shining through now. Why don't you sign off and start a new thread on hitler!

There is really no response I can give to something as childish as wanting me banned because I have stalled your argument and have a different opinion.

catallus · 09-08-2013 11:57PM

Cedrus wrote: »

Over Analysing????
It's a gross simplification if anything!

Do you really believe that a scrote faced with a series of multiplying sentences will behave the same as another faced with only one ultimate sentence.
I believe not. You only have to look at the shyte drivers acting like lunatics on Irish roads who SUDDENLY remember ALL of the Rules of the Road as soon as a squad car appears.

On the Hitler question. I believe (from what I know though popular culture rather than proper judicial deliberations) that Hitler and many more, do deserve the death sentence for the crimes they committed, authorised or sanctioned. However, I do not want to be part of a society that would commit this sentence.

Killing people is wrong, whoever does it.

If by "Multiplying" you mean concurrent, then you might be edging closer to reality. There is no deterrent in the current sentencing regime so the argument that deterrence isn't provided by Capital Punishment is moot.

As for "Killing people is wrong"; not always true, but that's an entirely different argument.

Now, I for one am sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the answer to this Hitler riddle! Put us all out of our misery, epluribusunum?

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:01AM

Waiting on the Princess...

Love2u · 10-08-2013 12:03AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

There is really no response I can give to something as childish as wanting me banned because I have stalled your argument and have a different opinion.

You are incapable of stating your points without insulting people who disagree with you. So now I think that clearly makes you the "child". My thoughts are still the same " I strongly disagree with death penalty".

catallus · 10-08-2013 12:04AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Waiting on the Princess...

The princess isn't going to bite! Quick tell us before they ban you please, the world needs to know!

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:05AM

Love2u wrote: »

You are incapable of stating your points without insulting people who disagree with you. So now I think that clearly makes you the "child". My thoughts are still the same " I strongly disagree with death penalty".

Now, we know you are against the death penalty- good, but we already knew this...

So did Hitler's actions deserve the death penalty? Just answer this specific question.

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:08AM

catallus wrote: »

The princess isn't going to bite! Quick tell us before they ban you please, the world needs to know!

Would they really ban me for being in favor of the death penalty? I sure hope not.

Because I do not think I have been anymore condescending as the rest of them to be fair.

catallus · 10-08-2013 12:10AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Would they really ban me for being in favor of the death penalty? I sure hope not.

Because I do not think I have been anymore condescending as the rest of them to be fair.

Yeah, Whatever, you went into personal abuse territory tonight with the eejit comment, that's enough grounds to ban you from the thread. What's the answer to the hitler thing??????

Love2u · 10-08-2013 12:11AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Now, we know you are against the death penalty- good, but we already knew this...

So did Hitler's actions deserve the death penalty? Just answer this specific question.

If you start another thread dedicated to "Hitler" I will happily answer the question. Can we stick to the topic on the death penalty. So once again i will tell you "I disagree with death penalty regardless of the circumstances".

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:14AM

Love2u wrote: »

If you start another thread dedicated to "Hitler" I will happily answer the question. Can we stick to the topic on the death penalty. So once again i will tell you "I disagree with death penalty regardless of the circumstances".

What about Hitler though?

I am not going to start a thread titled "Hitler" sorry but that would be ridiculous.

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:17AM

catallus wrote: »

Yeah, Whatever, you went into personal abuse territory tonight with the eejit comment, that's enough grounds to ban you from the thread. What's the answer to the hitler thing??????

It was suppose to be a joke given the fact that she was so against even listening to what I have to say that she did not even read the person's comment and just took off with it. I wrote an essay of logic and she replied "boring." It was not suppose to be personal abuse but just the fact that she is too close-minded and did not entertain a reply, especially considering how I do not even know them. If anyone was offended, I truly apologize and I am not saying that in fear of punishment. I believe in justice after all.

Love2u · 10-08-2013 12:18AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

What about Hitler though?

I am not going to start a thread titled "Hitler" sorry but that would be ridiculous.

No man, woman, child, animal...........deserves death penalty regardless of the circumstances. Death penalty is murder. End of story. Good night.

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:22AM

Love2u wrote: »

No man, woman, child, animal...........deserves death penalty regardless of the circumstances. Death penalty is murder. End of story. Good night.

So no organic entity deserves to die against its will? Is this what you are saying, no matter what?

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 12:51AM

Love2u, please correct me if I am wrong. You believe the following:

1) No organic entity deserves to die against its will.

2) But that Hitler would have deserved the death penalty because he was a special circumstance.

Amirani · 10-08-2013 12:56AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Love2u, please correct me if I am wrong. You believe the following:

1) No organic entity deserves to die against its will.

2) But that Hitler would have deserved the death penalty because he was a special circumstance.

When did Love2u state your second clarification?

Amirani · 10-08-2013 12:57AM

For the record, I would not have called for or supported the death penalty in the case of Hitler or anyone else.

shleedance · 10-08-2013 01:07AM

If someone's crime was really, really heinous or are repeat offenders to the point of no return, then I would support the death penalty. I do believe that sometimes you have to literally remove the problem when reformation does not work.

People will argue "but you're no better than them for doing it" and they would have a point. However, I believe it is the only way to stop someone reoffending. Like I said though, the situations to warrant the death penalty would have to be VERY exceptional, and at least try to have criminals reformed etc. first.

Amirani · 10-08-2013 01:08AM

shleedance wrote: »

If someone's crime was really, really heinous or are repeat offenders to the point of no return, then I would support the death penalty. I do believe that sometimes you have to literally remove the problem when reformation does not work.

People will argue "but you're no better than them for doing it" and they would have a point. However, I believe it is the only way to stop someone reoffending. Like I said though, the situations to warrant the death penalty would have to be VERY exceptional, and at least try to have criminals reformed etc. first.

Guaranteed life imprisonment achieves the same goal surely? Just without the state-sanctioned murder?

shleedance · 10-08-2013 01:11AM

It would, but that can lead to possible issues of potential overcrowding.

Most serious crimes, someone getting life is enough for me. The exceptions would have to be the likes of terrorism, genocide etc.

Cedrus · 10-08-2013 01:22AM

catallus wrote: »

If by "Multiplying" you mean concurrent, then you might be edging closer to reality. There is no deterrent in the current sentencing regime so the argument that deterrence isn't provided by Capital Punishment is moot.

Of course I don't mean concurrent when I say multiplying, they are not synonyms.
Rather than positing that there is no deterrent in the current sentencing regime, perhaps you could detail instances where another regime has been successful at eliminating antisocial behavior without indulging in it itself

catallus wrote: »

As for "Killing people is wrong"; not always true, but that's an entirely different argument.

imo Killing people is always morally wrong, there are times (eg in war, self defence. abortion etc,) when death may be justifiable or at least 'the best option' under difficult circumstance but the base reference must always be to an ideal where there is no right for one person to authorise the execution of another.

end of the road · 10-08-2013 01:52AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

There is really no response I can give to something as childish as wanting me banned because I have stalled your argument and have a different opinion.

and There is no response I can give to something as childish as calling someone a psycopath just because they don't agree with the death penalty

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-08-2013 08:18AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Nope. Be patient and I will wait until Princess answers. We are going on 48 hours now...

Why are you waiting for me...? If you can explain how the point relates to my objecions, I'll consider it; but as such it's only relevant to those who oppose on moral grounds.

If you wish to debate this with me, you tell me how you propose to deal with the objections I raise about the issue. If you wish to debate Hilter, and points that other people riase, then you do so with others.

This is how debate works.

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 08:28AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Why are you waiting for me...? If you can explain how the point relates to my objecions, I'll consider it; but as such it's only relevant to those who oppose on moral grounds.

If you wish to debate this with me, you tell me how you propose to deal with the objections I raise about the issue. If you wish to debate Hilter, and points that other people riase, then you do so with others.

This is how debate works.

Same meaningless jargon to avoid it.

I'll tell you what. I will let you ask me any question you want to help prove your case if you tell me if Hitler deserved to die for killing those millions of people in ovens and chambers.

Is this fair for you? I will answer with a yes or a no, but you must then reply to the Hitler question with a yes or a no.

Fair?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-08-2013 09:59AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Why are you waiting for me...?

.....

Love2u · 10-08-2013 10:00AM

epluribusunum wrote: »

Love2u, please correct me if I am wrong. You believe the following:

1) No organic entity deserves to die against its will.

2) But that Hitler would have deserved the death penalty because he was a special circumstance.

These are your words to me yesterday -
"Baby steps I suggest....you are not at the level of reading a sentence and doing another thing yet I guess"

So what does that make you with your point number two!!?? Shall I suggest "baby steps" for you. So I will say it AGAIN for you - I'm against the death penalty, I don't care what the case is I'm against it 100%, end of story.

epluribusunum · 10-08-2013 10:22AM

Love2u wrote: »

These are your words to me yesterday -
"Baby steps I suggest....you are not at the level of reading a sentence and doing another thing yet I guess"

So what does that make you with your point number two!!?? Shall I suggest "baby steps" for you. So I will say it AGAIN for you - I'm against the death penalty, I don't care what the case is I'm against it 100%, end of story.

We will deal with 2 later, but you agree with 1 I take it?

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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