Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Mountainlad · 07-08-2013 04:21PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

How comes its only the cusack stand you get concessions. Is it something to do with the Tv angle

Not sure exactly why but the Cusack is accessible from all other points in the stadium, so I think you can (have to even) enter at a different point of the stadium and walk around. I dunno is there concessions for the hill, I dont think there is. I've only ever been to the hill, canal end and cusack stand and the canal and cusack enter the same road from what I remember so it's grand getting the concession there.

doz · 07-08-2013 06:23PM

Got my tickets today, centre field, five rows from front in the Lower Cusack, should be perfect if weather holds.

There are no concessions for Hill or Nally to the best of my knowledge, latter probably won't be open Sun in any event.

I thought there was a separate concession stile for the Davin and the Hogan but I could be wrong.

PTH2009 · 08-08-2013 01:13PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jv13oakdE

will we being hearing this if we win on sunday in Croke Park.

Remember 2008's win over tipp

Ropaire · 08-08-2013 03:08PM

Tickets got for Sunday. Hopefully they play more like the drawn game vs Limerick, but without the gloryhunting looking for goals when they should have kept the scoreboard ticking over.

Out of curiosity, what will they play for us if we ever win a senior All Ireland? I've been in Croke Park on All ireland day a few times and they usually play the county song of the winners, it better not be Dont Stop Beliveing!

Funfair · 08-08-2013 03:36PM

Ropaire wrote: »

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Out of curiosity, what will they play for us if we ever win a senior All Ireland? I've been in Croke Park on All ireland day a few times and they usually play the county song of the winners, it better not be Dont Stop Beliveing!

They better play this as I'm sick of hearing it every time we lose..

deisedude · 08-08-2013 03:57PM

Funfair wrote: »

They better play this as I'm sick of hearing it every time we lose..

I think i read they stopped playing that in Croke Park. I'm open to correction though

doz · 08-08-2013 08:31PM

Minor team has been announced, we've reverted to the same side that played in the drawn Munster final bar Mark O'Brien coming in for Conor Gleeson. Tom Devine is named at number 9 with Micheál Harney at no 5. Hard to know whether those two will actually line out in those positions though there's no doubt Tom could do a job there.

Can't wait for the game, really hope the lads can do themselves justice as I firmly believe we have as good as what's out there.

DeiseX · 09-08-2013 06:57AM

doz wrote: »

Minor team has been announced, we've reverted to the same side that played in the drawn Munster final bar Mark O'Brien coming in for Conor Gleeson. Tom Devine is named at number 9 with Micheál Harney at no 5. Hard to know whether those two will actually line out in those positions though there's no doubt Tom could do a job there.

Can't wait for the game, really hope the lads can do themselves justice as I firmly believe we have as good as what's out there.

Mark O' Brien has been positioned at midfield any game he has started this year. I think Sam O' Neill is unlucky to lose out after showing well at wing-back against Antrim, particularly good at fielding high-ball.

Should be a cracking game, lets hope this talented team are hurling into September. Can't wait for it! Come on the Déise.

deiseach · 09-08-2013 08:41AM

Anyone going up on the Hill? A part of me wants to experience it when its full of rowdy Dubs while another part of me can't be bothered with that oul nonsense.

robopaddy · 09-08-2013 09:22AM

deiseach wrote: »

Anyone going up on the Hill? A part of me wants to experience it when its full of rowdy Dubs while another part of me can't be bothered with that oul nonsense.

dont do it to yourself!!
Ive been going to league games in Parnell Park with years and even up until about 4/5 years ago waterford fans always outnumbered Dublin supporters in Parnell Park. Now their expected to 'fill the hill' on Sunday and theyre all experts on the game all of a sudden.

Interesting to note on the Kilkenny minor team on Sunday theres no shortage of bloodline in the defence with a Tyrrell in the full back line and a Joyce in the half back line. The Murphy in the full forward line is a brother of the KK Senior Goalie and theres also a Cody at fullback but hes a different club to the man himself no not sure if hes a relation. But still the apple dosent fall too far and all that....

deisedude · 09-08-2013 11:33AM

deiseach wrote: »

Anyone going up on the Hill? A part of me wants to experience it when its full of rowdy Dubs while another part of me can't be bothered with that oul nonsense.

I'll be there with my Cork girlfriend and her family. Please light a candle and say a prayer for me!

hardybuck · 09-08-2013 11:43AM

deisedude wrote: »

I'll be there with my Cork girlfriend and her family. Please light a candle and say a prayer for me!

I think you should enjoy it. In my experience, Dubs fans are normally good banter. There are fools in every county, because they bring so many fans they also bring more bad fans with them.

Dubs hurling fans are normally sounder than the football also, as the football tends to attract more of a bandwagon/soccer support for the big games over the summer.

Mr Tibbs · 09-08-2013 12:29PM

Best of luck to the Minor Team for Sunday, don't know what to expect just hope they don't freeze. I find it very funny as soon as a team start doing well their supporters are accussed of coming out of the woodwork. Before '98 Waterford had a small following. If the profile of the game is to increase where are the supporters going to come from. If its only in GAA circles don't it expect to increase by much. All are welcome as far as I'm concerned even those heathen soccor supporters.

hardybuck · 09-08-2013 01:10PM

Mr Tibbs wrote: »

Best of luck to the Minor Team for Sunday, don't know what to expect just hope they don't freeze. I find it very funny as soon as a team start doing well their supporters are accussed of coming out of the woodwork. Before '98 Waterford had a small following. If the profile of the game is to increase where are the supporters going to come from. If its only in GAA circles don't it expect to increase by much. All are welcome as far as I'm concerned even those heathen soccor supporters.

Not wanting to open up a can or worms, but there is a sizeable portion of people who are Waterford county team hurling fans and that's it. A lot of them have no involvement with the game bar a couple of trips to Thurles/Croker every year.

In almost every other county, fans who support the county team are also involved in their clubs, and will also take a keen interest in the GAA as a whole outside of their county. You don't really see that as much in Waterford, and that probably stems from the lack of tradition within the county which you've mentioned.

Having said that, I think Waterford supporters have a pretty good reputation around the country, and are seen to support their team very well.

Mountainlad · 09-08-2013 01:29PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Not wanting to open up a can or worms, but there is a sizeable portion of people who are Waterford county team hurling fans and that's it. A lot of them have no involvement with the game bar a couple of trips to Thurles/Croker every year.

In almost every other county, fans who support the county team are also involved in their clubs, and will also take a keen interest in the GAA as a whole outside of their county. You don't really see that as much in Waterford, and that probably stems from the lack of tradition within the county which you've mentioned.

Having said that, I think Waterford supporters have a pretty good reputation around the country, and are seen to support their team very well.

You're from the City, Hardy, I believe?

I think it's more likely to be a City thing, and I don't mean that in a bad way there's a pretty logicial explanation for it.

The club is the center of the community in small parishes, they are often the big entity that organize activities and bring people together. I'd say that culture is quite different in a built up urban area where you don't know all your neighbours. People in rural parishes often know everybody within a 5 mile radius!!

You've a lot more going on in Cities but from a social perspective the GAA clubs play a huge role for people living out in the Country.

robopaddy · 09-08-2013 01:30PM

Question, does anyone know if Waterford have any full time Coaching/Games or Development Officers, or anything of the sort.

And if so how many?

robopaddy · 09-08-2013 02:21PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

You're from the City, Hardy, I believe?

I think it's more likely to be a City thing, and I don't mean that in a bad way there's a pretty logicial explanation for it.

The club is the center of the community in small parishes, they are often the big entity that organize activities and bring people together. I'd say that culture is quite different in a built up urban area where you don't know all your neighbours. People in rural parishes often know everybody within a 5 mile radius!!

You've a lot more going on in Cities but from a social perspective the GAA clubs play a huge role for people living out in the Country.

Im from the country and I know a good lot of people from my parish and other parishes that never support or doing anything for the local club but are always there decked out in the white and blue on the big intercounty match days. Your always going to have that element in every county.

Mountainlad · 09-08-2013 02:30PM

robopaddy wrote: »

Im from the country and I know a good lot of people from my parish and other parishes that never support or doing anything for the local club but are always there decked out in the white and blue on the big intercounty match days. Your always going to have that element in every county.

Would you say there are more that support the County over the club rather than those that do both in your community though?

I wouldn't argue it doesn't exist at all, just would think it is more of a town/city thing.

robopaddy · 09-08-2013 03:21PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Would you say there are more that support the County over the club rather than those that do both in your community though?

I wouldn't argue it doesn't exist at all, just would think it is more of a town/city thing.

Probably not, but then you have people involved or play with the club just to be involved in something but couldnt give 2 hoots about the county and wouldnt cross the road to see them play until it gets to AI Semi final or Final stages. You cant really say they are anymore deserving of a ticket than those people who have been supporting all through the championship but not involved or dont suport their local club

Mountainlad · 09-08-2013 03:25PM

robopaddy wrote: »

Probably not, but then you have people involved or play with the club just to be involved in something but couldnt give 2 hoots about the county and wouldnt cross the road to see them play until it gets to AI Semi final or Final stages. You cant really say they are anymore deserving of a ticket than those people who have been supporting all through the championship but not involved or dont suport their local club

I wouldn't argue it either way to be honest. Never really understood the people claiming they deserve a ticket for an all-ireland final. If you want one badly enough you'll buy a season ticket or ensure you know someone, or are well in with a club and that you get in early.

Funfair · 10-08-2013 02:27PM

robopaddy wrote: »

Question, does anyone know if Waterford have any full time Coaching/Games or Development Officers, or anything of the sort.

And if so how many?

Yes we have at least 3 I know of or should I say I knew of as they could have moved on but up to 2011 we had John Quinn for the East and Eoin Breathnach doing the West and Dave Robinson doing mid- County.

They basically go into the schools to train the kids or set it up for the local clubs to go in if possible. They also run tournaments during the season and off season or if a club wanted training in a specific drill they will go to the club and give the coaches a hand in doing the drill.

They are also involved in training camps for coaches and start the ground work for the Tony Foristal tournament by getting the best players from each club (normally 4) together at U12's for higher grade training and challenge matches against other Counties.

3 of the nicest guys you could meet and did Trojan work.

Cake Man · 10-08-2013 02:33PM

Best of luck to the lads tomorrow, they're certainly good enough to do it. Would be absolutely brilliant if a Waterford team could make an AI final, not often that it happens in any grade.
Big games needed from Austin Gleeson, Patrick Curran and the 2 Bennett's. I think the lads will do it but it will be tight.
Best of luck to all involved.

robopaddy · 10-08-2013 03:53PM

Funfair wrote: »

Yes we have at least 3 I know of or should I say I knew of as they could have moved on but up to 2011 we had John Quinn for the East and Eoin Breathnach doing the West and Dave Robinson doing mid- County.

They basically go into the schools to train the kids or set it up for the local clubs to go in if possible. They also run tournaments during the season and off season or if a club wanted training in a specific drill they will go to the club and give the coaches a hand in doing the drill.

They are also involved in training camps for coaches and start the ground work for the Tony Foristal tournament by getting the best players from each club (normally 4) together at U12's for higher grade training and challenge matches against other Counties.

3 of the nicest guys you could meet and did Trojan work.

I presume they are operating on limited finances aswell. Ive been training with a club in Dublin recently and was shocked to find that most of the big senior hurling clubs employ full time hurling coaches/promotional officers. thats probably on top of those employed bythe county board. frightening for small counties such as ourselves as we'd realistically never be able to compete with the likes of that and youd really think its surprising this Dublin resurgence has only come now in the last couple of years.

Professey Chin · 10-08-2013 04:02PM

robopaddy wrote: »

I presume they are operating on limited finances aswell. Ive been training with a club in Dublin recently and was shocked to find that most of the big senior hurling clubs employ full time hurling coaches/promotional officers. thats probably on top of those employed bythe county board. frightening for small counties such as ourselves as we'd realistically never be able to compete with the likes of that and youd really think its surprising this Dublin resurgence has only come now in the last couple of years.

Its only within the last 10 years they started putting the money into it like they are now. The amount of development officers is insane in Dublin.

Funfair · 10-08-2013 04:24PM

Not really insane as the Dubs are very competitive at Underage up to minor and U21's.. It takes years to see the work come through.. It's not a surprise to see Waterford coming as the Co Board got there act together about 10 years ago and hired the development officers I expect to see Waterford being competitive at minor for the next few years however we seem to have a problem between minor and U21's as the expected great players seem to fade away for whatever reasons be it life, work, drink, women or management is debatable

alllcounty · 10-08-2013 05:32PM

Funfair wrote: »

Not really insane as the Dubs are very competitive at Underage up to minor and U21's.. It takes years to see the work come through.. It's not a surprise to see Waterford coming as the Co Board got there act together about 10 years ago and hired the development officers I expect to see Waterford being competitive at minor for the next few years however we seem to have a problem between minor and U21's as the expected great players seem to fade away for whatever reasons be it life, work, drink, women or management is debatable

I'd say the problem in development of players from minor to U21 is down to the club structures more than anything else. Clare dont have our problem. They also reformed their club structures years ago with 12 teams in senior, 8 in senior B, 12 teams in intermediate and 12 in junior A. They dont do divisional competitions at adult level. But we do and that's where the problem is. If you are a member of a non senior club in waterford you are not allowed play against clubs in the other half of the county. While we are producing good players up to minor and have a very good representation from non senior clubs you would have to feel that further progress for these players will be limited when compared to Clare and KK.

Mountainlad · 10-08-2013 06:14PM

While our under 21s have been poor the last few years, from the minor teams of 2009 onwards I think 11 players have played Senior championship hurling for Waterford. Considering there's nobody off last years minor team your talking about 11 players from 3 teams, in the space of 4 years. That's a very high return which would be much more documented but for the fact that most Counties are doing the same since Tipp's re-emergence in 2008. But I'd say it compares well with other counties anyway.

In terms of underage stars falling away, they often take their eye off the ball. Also, it's not uncommon for players to have more made out of them than should be, but I think it's very much pre 2009 as a huge amount of players in recent years have made the transition to Senior.

Funfair · 10-08-2013 06:20PM

alllcounty wrote: »

I'd say the problem in development of players from minor to U21 is down to the club structures more than anything else. Clare dont have our problem. They also reformed their club structures years ago with 12 teams in senior, 8 in senior B, 12 teams in intermediate and 12 in junior A. They dont do divisional competitions at adult level. But we do and that's where the problem is. If you are a member of a non senior club in waterford you are not allowed play against clubs in the other half of the county. While we are producing good players up to minor and have a very good representation from non senior clubs you would have to feel that further progress for these players will be limited when compared to Clare and KK.

Agree with you on this, the lack of competitive games at minor to 21's is in my opinion the real problem.. Players that were running midfield on the clubs minor team are drafted to corner back on the clubs senior team and is shackled to basic defending . His midfield days are over he settles into his basic defending duties and gets bored with hurling and soon gets uninterested and gets involved with other activities.. This is the common scenario in all clubs. You have up to 60 x minors of the previous 3 years trying to get on a club U21 team which means good bye to say 40 players who never play hurling again as they have no team to play on. Why the Co Board can't see this and organise U19 & U20 competitions is beyond me, like how hard can it be ?

robopaddy · 10-08-2013 11:33PM

Funfair wrote: »

Agree with you on this, the lack of competitive games at minor to 2t's is in my opinion the real problem.. Players that were running midfield on the clubs minor team are drafted to corner back on the clubs senior team and is shackled to basic defending . His midfield days are over he settles into his basic defending duties and gets bored with hurling and soon gets uninterested and gets involved with other activities.. This is the common scenario in all clubs. You have up to 60 x minors of the previous 3 years trying to get on a club U21 team which means good bye to say 40 players who never play hurling again as they have no team to play on. Why the Co Board can't see this and organise U19 & U20 competitions is beyond me, like how hard can it be ?

Theres barely enough time in the calendar for u21 games not to mind under 19 or 20 competitions

deiseindublin · 11-08-2013 02:55AM

Well done to u16 Waterford ladies team tonight, beating Roscommon!

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