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U2 Still haven't found what they are looking for...

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  • #32
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadsL wrote: »
    Both Bono and the Edge don't give a shite - they both have had run ins with planners.
    http://www.macphisto.net/article238.html
    http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/bono-clears-final-hurdle-to-extending-family-mansion-27897539.html

    Bono expressed the notion he would be a property developer were he not a musician. Since he has little actual musical talent, this hotel development is him working out his childhood dreams. Pathetic really.

    Its obvious that have you some deep seeded hatred of Bono/U2 and are merely using this as a stick with which to beat them, and this does seem very egotistical of them I agree. But what harm will it do really? Dublin is quite ugly as Capital cities go and I doubt this will make it much worse so if they want to spend some of their millions employ local builder let them at it.

    Also, even if you don't like their music or them as people, which is fair enough, Bono can be very annoying but he is still a hugely talented song writer, although his voice has gotten a bit wrecked over the last few years.


  • #33
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Jester252 wrote: »
    Increasing the heigh of a building is must better than building more low rise buildings on green space.

    Green space?

    Dublin probably hasn't granted PP on a greenfield site in Dublin in years. I'd say Grangegorman DCU project is about the only large-scale greenfield development within the city centre in years. Perhaps, the Phoenix Park Racecourse.

    What 'green space' specifically?

    The obsession that Dublin must have skyscrapers to be 'modern' is very sad and somehow smacks of penis inadequacy.

    Increasing the height of a building without slimming it makes for an oversized mass, not a pleasant aesthetic. However the footprint of taller buildings requires a plaza or public space at the base to avoid canyoning. All of which makes skyscrapers actually not terribly efficient at densification of cities.

    Practical and careful infill works much better.


  • #34
    De Bellem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭De Bellem


    If it is allowed by the planners what would you with respect to "the Spire " call it. How about my idea. " The Highly Reilly ashtray." The only smoking public area in Dublin after 2020...... And it could cure Vertigo as well....... What would you call it if given the contract


  • #35
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Its obvious that have you some deep seeded hatred of Bono/U2 and are merely using this as a stick with which to beat them,

    I'm more opposed to ego-fuelled rich people thinking they can **** on the city in a 'look-at-me' exercise and then try and pass it off as a 'landmark'.
    ...and this does seem very egotistical of them I agree.

    We agree.
    But what harm will it do really?

    It will totally gut one of Ireland few Arts and Crafts interiors, a very fine interior at that, and will destroy the classical balance of the rooftops down the quays. Dublin's quays are its landmark, and worthy of protection.
    Dublin is quite ugly as Capital cities go and I doubt this will make it much worse so if they want to spend some of their millions employ local builder let them at it.

    So one more shit on top of the pile in your world view. Lovely.

    Dublin is anything other than ugly. It is a city full of human scale, parks and pavements, rivers and canals. It is one of the great walk-able cities in the world. Be proud of it ffs, and give it some TLC.

    Again the old "ah, bit o'money in it" argument. There are more valuable things in the world than short-term gain. Have we really, REEally, not got this concept yet?

    Also, even if you don't like their music or them as people, which is fair enough, Bono can be very annoying but he is still a hugely talented song writer, although his voice has gotten a bit wrecked over the last few years.

    He's a wrecking ball as far as his home city is concerned though, clearly doesn't give a monkey's...


  • #36
    MadYaker
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    The old "ah, bit o' money in it" arguement stands in this case IMO because judging by the pictures you put in the OP it doesn't really seem like it will be that intrusive. I've walked around dublin loads and some parts are nice, especially some of the leafier south side suburbs but the city centre itself has always felt a bit seedy and dirty to me. In terms of impressive architecture it isn't a patch on London, Paris, Vienna, Rome etc.

    People don't come to admire the beauty of it, they come for the history and culture and to buy overpriced pints of guinness in temple bar. They come for the "irish experience" not to wonder at a beautiful and impressive city.


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  • #37
    Carnegie
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    MadsL wrote: »

    The obsession that Dublin must have skyscrapers to be 'modern' is very sad and somehow smacks of penis inadequacy.

    Skyscrapers are the best solution to dealing with Dublins problems- urban sprawl, terrible infrastructure, pathetic public transport and unaffordable housing.

    Skyscrapers would allow the people who actually work in the city to also live in the city, cutting down massively on congestion and improving the quality of life of workers in that they wouldn't need to commute for an hour or more each day.

    It would also help free up the suburbs for families and make accommodation more affordable for all.

    This sh1te about skyscrapers not being allowed because they would ruin our crap uninspiring skyline really p1sses me off.

    There are plenty of places were skyscrapers could go which would not affect Dublins skyline, ringsend being one of them.

    Of course the real reason skyscrapers are not allowed is because so many politicians are landlords and bringing high quality lower priced accommodation to the city is against their interests.


  • #38
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    Not sure if building up would truly solve urban sprawl in the capital Adelaide is a fairly decent comparison for the population size of dublin it has a very impressive high rise central heart of the city but it still sprawls on for miles and miles and miles likely even more than dublin and it has absolutely no "soul" it feels like something you would build in sim city 4 dublin feels like a city that people have lived with id have that feel any day over the soullessness you get in placed like Adelaide


  • #39
    MadsL
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    The old "ah, bit o' money in it" arguement stands in this case IMO because judging by the pictures you put in the OP it doesn't really seem like it will be that intrusive. I've walked around dublin loads and some parts are nice, especially some of the leafier south side suburbs but the city centre itself has always felt a bit seedy and dirty to me. In terms of impressive architecture it isn't a patch on London, Paris, Vienna, Rome etc.

    People don't come to admire the beauty of it, they come for the history and culture and to buy overpriced pints of guinness in temple bar. They come for the "irish experience" not to wonder at a beautiful and impressive city.

    What the hell is "history and culture" if it doesn't involve the built environment.

    Honestly, these self-loathing folks, I don't know why they don't just level Dublin and build a giant paddy-whackery, Temple Bar times 1000 Oirish theme park. After all "it's what the tourists want". I have never heard Londoners talk about levelling Georgian London to build bigger Penneys and Wetherspoons as "it's what the tourists want".

    Dublin isn't London, Paris, Vienna, Rome; it is not supposed to be, it is Dublin.

    And if you cannot find beauty in the likes of the Grand Canal, Merrion Square, Kildare Street, O'Connell Street, Mountjoy Square and Henrietta Street - I despair for your aesthetic, I really do.

    Look at it. I mean, c'mon. Are your eyes broken?

    http://www.mespilhotel.com/images/slideshow/grand_canal_dublin_2.jpg
    http://www.eventrocks.com/assets/merrion_square_street_dublin_77066.jpg
    http://www.theodora.com/wfb/photos/ireland/the_national_museum_archeology_and_history_dublin_dublin_co_leinster_ireland_photo_wikipedia.jpg
    http://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpi/23880/23880-78/681x454.jpg
    http://www.mywordwizard.com/image-files/mountjoy_square,_dublin.jpg
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/HENRIETTA_STREET_-_DUBLIN_(402556531).jpg


  • #40
    MadsL
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    Carnegie wrote: »
    Skyscrapers are the best solution to dealing with Dublins problems- urban sprawl, terrible infrastructure, pathetic public transport and unaffordable housing.

    Skyscrapers would allow the people who actually work in the city to also live in the city, cutting down massively on congestion and improving the quality of life of workers in that they wouldn't need to commute for an hour or more each day.

    It would also help free up the suburbs for families and make accommodation more affordable for all.

    This sh1te about skyscrapers not being allowed because they would ruin our crap uninspiring skyline really p1sses me off.

    There are plenty of places were skyscrapers could go which would not affect Dublins skyline, ringsend being one of them.

    Of course the real reason skyscrapers are not allowed is because so many politicians are landlords and bringing high quality lower priced accommodation to the city is against their interests.

    I'm not saying height doesn't have a place in the city, Heuston and Docklands are a good place for height. What I am saying is that there is utter nonsense spouted about Dublin somehow 'lacking' because it doesn't have a Sears tower.

    The highest building in Ireland was built in Cork city.
    It is empty.


  • #41
    thecatspjs
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    I love Dublin. I was born and raised here. I love working/studying in town. I love cycling along the canal. I love walking along the Liffey day or night. I really don't understand how people don't find it to be a beautiful city.

    I have been to plenty of other cities around the world and they have their own charm, the same way Dublin does.


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  • #42
    Bullseye1
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    The planners in Dublin City Council obviously suffer from vertigo.


  • #43
    Wanderer2010
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    The Spire is one of the biggest wastes of money Dublin has ever invested in. A big pole in the middle of the street is still a big pole in the middle of the street no matter how you dress it up. Hideous and adds nothing to the place, they cant even keep the thing clean. :rolleyes:


  • #44
    Eight Ball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 906 ✭✭✭Eight Ball


    We need to get into the 21st century and start building up. Anyone know if the kitchen nightclub is still open. I haven't had a life since 1998.


  • #45
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Its certainly has its charms and a great atmosphere, but it terms of architectural beauty and prowess it really doesn't have much going for it. All you those pictures you linked are a bit meh in my opinion. The canal is nice, the other 2 are just rows of terraced houses and O' Connell street is an absolute mess. That's why I don't think Bono's contruction would be all that damaging.


  • #46
    bizmark
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    MadsL wrote: »
    The highest building in Ireland was built in Cork city.
    It is empty.

    Both the tallest buildings in Ireland are in cork 1st is the council building and it was the most hideous thing you have ever seen in your life till they redeveloped it right across from one of the most interesting 1800s? i think buildings in the country in the old Our Lady's Psychiatric Hospital.

    The other is a dim a dozen cookie cutter glass high rise that no one wanted or could afford to live in :pac:

    Still cork is a very beautiful city thanks to the low rise "old fashioned" center of the city and its tall churches you know history and character not a me to glass and steel building cause tem muricas have some!!!


  • #47
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Interesting piece on how skyscrapers inhibit innovation, and how New Yorkers cherish historic neighbourhoods and how they help creativity.
    So as we begin to build denser cities, the key is not just piling up people in buildings higher and higher and higher and creating vertical suburbs where people just interact in the building, it's to build cities that can be dense, that can have multi-story buildings, that can be close together. But having that interaction is a key part of keeping our cities innovation and creative not only here but in those emerging economies around the world.
    You know, Jane Jacobs, who I invoke in the piece, and I look at this great report done by Peter Gordon in Sanford Ikeda, and they actually studied this and contrasted crude density, the piling and packing of people ever taller, what they call Jane Jacobs density, after the great urban theorist who wrote about Hudson Street in New York and the vibrancy of older areas. And she always said that new ideas require old buildings, that having affordable space with big floor plates that is reusable, that is, you know, connected to one another. And Google paid a remarkable sum. And for folks listening in, it paid $1.8 billion to be in the middle of, I guess, the intersection of Chelsea in the meat packing district. It bought the old Port Authority Terminal.
    Clearly, these are very sought-after spaces. We have to increase density, but we can do it in different ways. We can build up mid-rise buildings. We can - as Mayor Bloomberg and the Bloomberg administration is doing in New York, we can put density in certain areas. But what I was cautioning against is, in a rush to density that particularly in other societies, not necessarily our country, in other societies which are building up, one of the remarkable things in America is during the urban renewal period, you know, people united in their neighborhoods to save these old districts. And what we find is that many of these old districts that were saved and weren't particularly advanced or particularly beautiful - those are the districts were now companies and high-tech entrepreneurs and in and(ph) outer areas, artists and musicians, are now streaming.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/31/157664837/want-to-make-a-creative-city-build-out-not-up


  • #48
    MadsL
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Its certainly has its charms and a great atmosphere, but it terms of architectural beauty and prowess it really doesn't have much going for it. All you those pictures you linked are a bit meh in my opinion. The canal is nice, the other 2 are just rows of terraced houses and O' Connell street is an absolute mess. That's why I don't think Bono's contruction would be all that damaging.

    What.the.actual...


    Perhaps you would post a picture of what Dublin should aspire to? Please I would love to see what you consider "beauty and prowess" if not buildings like Leinster House.

    OCS is a mess because there is no planning enforcement of the things that make it a mess. That and allowing buildings to be knocked to build shite shopping centres that collapse into NAMA and drag 16 Moore Street into dereliction too.


  • #49
    bizmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭bizmark


    MadsL wrote: »
    What.the.actual...


    Perhaps you would post a picture of what Dublin should aspire to?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Burj_Khalifa.jpg


  • #50
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    I kinda like it. But I'd be no judge of skylines. We don't go into it much in Roscommon.


  • #51
    MadsL
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    Rasheed wrote: »
    I kinda like it. But I'd be no judge of skylines. We don't go into it much in Roscommon.

    You don't go in for conserving the bogs either, but that's a whole other day's work.


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  • #52
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    MadsL wrote: »
    You don't go in for conserving the bogs either, but that's a whole other day's work.

    Good man MadsL, nail on the head. All 65,000 of us are mad for destroying the bog.


  • #53
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    MadsL wrote: »
    You don't go in for conserving the bogs either, but that's a whole other day's work.

    Wow.


  • #54
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Rasheed wrote: »
    Good man MadsL, nail on the head. All 65,000 of us are mad for destroying the bog.
    Augmerson wrote: »
    Wow.

    Relax, it was a joke.

    Can't take a joke those 65,000 Rosscommonites.


  • #55
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Depp wrote: »
    people who pick atari jaguar in these polls are so funny and witty...

    Thanks


  • #56
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    MadsL wrote: »
    What.the.actual...


    Perhaps you would post a picture of what Dublin should aspire to? Please I would love to see what you consider "beauty and prowess" if not buildings like Leinster House.

    Leinster House is average at best. You need to go visit St Petersburg. Buildings like Leinster House would make an average block of flats by that cities standards.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Palace_Square2,_St._Petersburg,_Russia.jpg
    http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/57948163.jpg
    http://www.tourspb.com/wallpapers/The_Hermitage_Winter_Palace_St.Petersburg_Russia.jpg
    http://paradiseintheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/saint-petersburg-canal.jpg
    http://www.onlinereg.ru/ORGCHEM2013/social_program/7.jpg
    http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3066/8uow.jpg

    It the most impressive city I've ever been to. Haven't been to anywhere in Asia yet though.


  • #57
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Leinster House is average at best. You need to go visit St Petersburg. Buildings like Leinster House would make an average block of flats by that cities standards.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Palace_Square2,_St._Petersburg,_Russia.jpg
    http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/57948163.jpg
    http://www.tourspb.com/wallpapers/The_Hermitage_Winter_Palace_St.Petersburg_Russia.jpg
    http://paradiseintheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/saint-petersburg-canal.jpg
    http://www.onlinereg.ru/ORGCHEM2013/social_program/7.jpg
    http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3066/8uow.jpg

    It the most impressive city I've ever been to. Haven't been to anywhere in Asia yet though.

    OK.

    Now show me the plans to build a skyscraper, or flying saucer in the Winter Palace.

    Notice how well presented these buildings are. Now, that truly is what Dublin should aspire to. Thanks for pointing it out.


  • #58
    MadsL
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    Eight Ball wrote: »
    We need to get into the 21st century and start building up. Anyone know if the kitchen nightclub is still open. I haven't had a life since 1998.

    Meanwhile the rest of the 21st century is realising UP is the wrong direction and that cities need cohesion and connections, not an architect's phallus!


  • #59
    pabloh999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭pabloh999


    MadsL wrote: »
    Meanwhile the rest of the 21st century is realising UP is the wrong direction and that cities need cohesion and connections, not an architect's phallus!

    Where do you come up with this sh1te?
    Seriously?
    There is a global skyscraper boom from London to Moscow, China to South America.
    You may like to believe that everbody is "coming round" to your anti high rise way of thinking but that simply is not true
    Every single world city has a skyscraper skyline - even the historic ones (Paris)

    Sure you will use the old skyscrapers/taller buildings should only be built somewhere like the docklands
    But the I can guarantee that you would also oppose any tall buildings proposed there



    Looking to the future, it is now foreseeable – indeed
    likely – that the recent trend of an annual increase in building completions
    will continue for the next several years, perhaps even through the end of the
    decade


  • #60
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    pabloh999 wrote: »
    Where do you come up with this sh1te?
    Seriously?
    There is a global skyscraper boom from London to Moscow, China to South America.

    Boom?

    More like the realisation that skyscrapers are overpriced and unsustainable.

    Look at this diagram for buildings under construction.

    No-one in the developed world is building one other than the US replacement for the twin towers.

    Why? Because they are a too-much cash, showy, look-at-us waste of money. China; that is who is building them.
    You may like to believe that everbody is "coming round" to your anti high rise way of thinking but that simply is not true
    Every single world city has a skyscraper skyline - even the historic ones (Paris)
    Prague? Budapest? Zagreb? Washington, D.C? Athens? Montreal? Vancouver?
    Sure you will use the old skyscrapers/taller buildings should only be built somewhere like the docklands
    But the I can guarantee that you would also oppose any tall buildings proposed there

    I have always supported the DEGW study in 2000 that identified Heuston and Docklands as suitable for height, I have never made any post or planning objection in relation to height in these areas; my post history will confirm that. (search DEGW) - you are wrong on that score.


    And tell me about the shortage of office space in Dublin that these wonderful skyscrapers will address. There are numerous mid-rise office blocks in Dublin completely empty.


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  • #61
    bizmark
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    good christ 1007 meters tall ? what is it with the middle east and giant buildings o0


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