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Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

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  • #932
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Yes they can. Most families now a day have both spouses out working. Your stuck in the 70s. Ye have to do what you have to do to make a living.


    And child care ? you know it is not the 70s they expect you to look after your children these days.


  • #933
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    cdebru wrote: »
    And child care ? you know it is not the 70s they expect you to look after your children these days.
    Which both me and my partner are capable of paying without wages like yours


  • #934
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Yes there are and My statement was not made to be a joke and for that I apologize if you somehow took me up wrong.


    I didnt take you up wrong - you referred to the risk of starving to death and trocaire boxes when clearly the former is not an imminent risk and the latter is not necessary.


  • #935
    Megatron!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Megatron!!


    they do nothing in return for this money so...that makes it money for nothing, unlike my money

    that was the arrogant sentence I responded too as if you were insinuating they shouldn't get it, to which I referred to a circumstance in which that was the case.

    No jokes Im afraid your still dodging the facts. Answer me the 1 question I have asked time and time again......

    How long does it take to get a bus license and then your job?


  • #936
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sh!t service, Drivers with bad attitudes who pretend not to see you as your pounding on the door.


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  • #937
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    they do nothing in return for this money so...that makes it money for nothing, unlike my money

    that was the arrogant sentence I responded too as if you were insinuating they shouldn't get it, to which I referred to a circumstance in which that was the case.

    No jokes Im afraid your still dodging the facts. Answer me the 1 question I have asked time and time again......

    How long does it take to get a bus license and then your job?

    It's true. I only get my money because I work. If I dont work, my employer wont pay me. I dont know why you have a problem accepting this.

    I'm not dodging facts, I'm stating them - and you are taking offence.

    Re the license and job...you seem to have me confused with another poster!


  • #938
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sh!t service, Drivers with bad attitudes who pretend not to see you as your pounding on the door.
    no thats not a **** service, thats just the fact the doors are closed as its time for the bus to depart, once the doors are closed the driver has no obligation to let you on, its nice of them if they do but they don't have to

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #939
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    cdebru wrote: »
    correct they aren't they are a semi state company that is not the public sector, see you are learning.

    This is something that always gets me.
    It is all symantics.

    For instance look at the answers to the following.
    Who owns the company that these workers work for ?
    Who supplements the funding of this company when it makes a loss ?
    Who funds infrastructure and technology investment ?
    Who appoints the board and management of this company ?
    Who do the baord and management of this company ultimately report to ?

    Now if anyone can find an answer to these questions that involves anyone bar the state, the government of the state and/or a government minister of the state then please tell me that this company is not ultimately part of our state's public sector infrastructure.
    Bambi wrote: »
    *cough*farmers*cough*
    *cough*self employed*cough*

    Excuse me, would you mind telling me where the self employed are subsidised by the state ?
    From experience I know damm well self employed do not get to enjoy all the unemployment benefits like other workers.

    Oh and farmers are subsidised becasue food production is kinda seen as important.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #940
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    end of the road wrote: »
    no thats not a **** service, thats just the fact the doors are closed as its time for the bus to depart, once the doors are closed the driver has no obligation to let you on, its nice of them if they do but they don't have to

    How about ignorant drivers who see you are standing at the bus stop (1st stop) and decide to drive 10/15 meters PAST the stop to let people on causing a free for all rush. Drivers have a bad job i understand that but there are some TERRIBLE ones with no customer service skills at all who make the rest look bad. I can honestly say i have met more good drivers than bad but the margin is fine.


  • #941
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    jmayo wrote: »
    This is something that always gets me.
    It is all symantics.

    For instance look at the answers to the following.
    Who owns the company that these workers work for ?
    Who supplements the funding of this company when it makes a loss ?
    Who funds infrastructure and technology investment ?
    Who appoints the board and management of this company ?
    Who do the baord and management of this company ultimately report to ?

    Now if anyone can find an answer to these questions that involves anyone bar the state, the government of the state and/or a government minister of the state then please tell me that this company is not ultimately part of our state's public sector infrastructure.



    .


    No semantics if they were public servants they would be covered by deals for the Public Service like haddington road agreement and they would have benefited from benchmarking which they didn't, they are not part of the public service pension etc etc.

    Who owns the banks ? are they public servants ?


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  • #942
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Which both me and my partner are capable of paying without wages like yours

    So tell us us then how much are you and your wife paid, what do you do and how much do you pay for childcare and how many kids have you in childcare ?


  • #943
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Megatron!! wrote: »
    Ok well lets cut the dole and the rest and all public spending maybe lets invest in little trocaire boxs with pictures of irish people on them. Will you come off it, people on the dole have lost jobs and payed their taxes like everyone else. I was on it last year for 4 months between jobs so does that mean me and my family deseaved to die of starvation. The quicker we sort out stupid public spending like this the fast we can get these people off the dole and back to work.

    SNIP Please read the forum charter, mainly this part

    Try and keep it civil folks


  • #944
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sh!t service, Drivers with bad attitudes who pretend not to see you as your pounding on the door.


    Why are you pounding on the door ? do you follow the Luas along pounding on the door, do you pound on the door of the local shop if you missed it's closing time ??


  • #945
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    bumper234 wrote: »
    How about ignorant drivers who see you are standing at the bus stop (1st stop) and decide to drive 10/15 meters PAST the stop to let people on causing a free for all rush. Drivers have a bad job i understand that but there are some TERRIBLE ones with no customer service skills at all who make the rest look bad. I can honestly say i have met more good drivers than bad but the margin is fine.


    Where when how ?


  • #946
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    cdebru wrote: »
    I see now why you were so offended by the mention of social welfare, no problem sticking your hand out for your money did you ? Odd that you were not offended by the bloated social welfare payments when you had your had out. How much of your social welfare did you hand back to help get the country back on it's feet, or did you selfishly grab as much as you could ?


    Not everyone on social welfare lost jobs, some never had or wanted a job, perhaps that is the source of your bitterness, what happened you lost your free travel pass and the driver made you pay, so you swore revenge ??

    The bitterness and nastiness of that post is matched or surpassed by the greed of those cosseted and spoilt drivers that the poster has been defending.


  • #947
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    cdebru wrote: »
    Where when how ?

    43 bus stop stop most evenings and not just one driver but several. There will not be any other buses there yet the drivers go PAST the bus stop and stop almost at Liberty hall theater entrance.


  • #948
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    The bitterness and nastiness of that post is matched or surpassed by the greed of those cosseted and spoilt drivers that the poster has been defending.



    Oh oddly I didn't see you getting offended when, others are accused of greed or have nasty posts directed at them, nah because you are a hypocrite.


  • #949
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    bumper234 wrote: »
    43 bus stop stop most evenings and not just one driver but several. There will not be any other buses there yet the drivers go PAST the bus stop and stop almost at Liberty hall theater entrance.


    Not familiar with it perhaps there is some reason other than to piss you off though ?


  • #950
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    The bitterness and nastiness of that post is matched or surpassed by the greed of those cosseted and spoilt drivers that the poster has been defending.

    It's the friendly face of Dublin bus...


  • #951
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    cdebru wrote: »
    Not familiar with it perhaps there is some reason other than to piss you off though ?

    You tell me why a bus driver doesn't stop at the bus stop? Why would you drive further down the road past your customers (several elderly) and come to a stop where there is no bus stop to let people on?


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  • #952
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    wexie wrote: »
    It's the friendly face of Dublin bus...

    It is a bus company not a religion, they don't practise turn the other cheek.


  • #953
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    bumper234 wrote: »
    You tell me why a bus driver doesn't stop at the bus stop? Why would you drive further down the road past your customers (several elderly) and come to a stop where there is no bus stop to let people on?
    Hve you considered asking them?


  • #954
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    cdebru wrote: »
    Hve you considered asking them?

    Shouldn't have to. Maybe i will have a nasty fall one day while getting on the bus. I reckon DB are not insured to stop and let customers on down there.


  • #955
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Cdebru has been removed from gen. pop. for a few days to take a breather.


  • #956
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Cdebru has been removed from gen. pop. for a few days to take a breather.

    Very diplomatic way of putting it :D


  • #957
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Excellent poll options.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #958
    Valmont
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    Dublin Bus' monopoly needs to end. This is the only solution that will actually serve customers and their finances in the long run. When the workers of tax-subsidised monopolies strike, they are simply holding the rest of us to ransom.

    They are supposed to provide us, the tax-payers, with a service. They are now refusing to do even their basic duties because they want to take even more money from us for a service that wouldn't last a day in a free and open marketplace.

    How anyone can support such parasitism is beyond me.


  • #959
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    If the DB workers accept the clarified LC deal - which I think is very likely.
    And given that this proposal is basically the exact same as the one which was rejected.
    How do they possibly justify taking 3 days of strike action over the previous deal.

    Can't wait to hear the Union bosses try to explain that to the public.

    What I find most extraordinary about the whole situation, is that it's August 2013, over 5 years since the economy went belly-up and they're still talking to these guys about reducing their overtime rate from 2.5 to 2 times basic rate!
    How is it possible they've managed to hold onto these ludicrous rates for 5 years when the country has been borrowing billions to balance the books?


  • #960
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Valmont wrote: »
    Dublin Bus' monopoly needs to end. This is the only solution that will actually serve customers and their finances in the long run.
    wrong, it will leave skeleton services (or in some places none) higher fairs and the rest
    Valmont wrote: »
    When the workers of tax-subsidised monopolies strike, they are simply holding the rest of us to ransom.
    untrue, you can easily find another option for the little while workers are out on strike, it doesn't happen very often anyway
    Valmont wrote: »
    They are supposed to provide us, the tax-payers, with a service.
    their doing that, they just went on strike for a couple of days, nothing to be uppity about
    Valmont wrote: »
    They are now refusing to do even their basic duties because they want to take even more money from us
    there doing their duties, they don't want anymore money, they just want management to listen and to realise that cutting them alone while business as usual continues in the rest of the company isn't going to solve their finances, that cuts will have to be all through the company
    Valmont wrote: »
    a service that wouldn't last a day in a free and open marketplace.
    exactly, hense why apart from the couple of proffitable routes, private operators won't be interested in the rest even with a subsidy and it would be unreasonable to expect a private company to take on such loss making routes

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #961
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Frank Black wrote: »
    Once again, who is this 'public' you keep mentioning which can be represented by Unions?

    There are numerous public lobby groups which already exist, from Father's Rights groups to People with disabilites to Travellers rights groups.
    The country is littered with public lobby groups which tend to be small by nature because it's not possible to effectivly represent the views of large number of people, because people tend to hold different views and opinions than other people.

    You expose yourself as a left wing ideologue with your references to 'the public' (the proletariat is what you actually mean) as if we're a homogenus mass that can be represented by a single lobby group.

    Time for you to throw away you Communist manifisto I think.
    Not a single one of those groups is capable of being nearly as powerful as a collective of unions - unions which have the ability to bring parts of the economy to a standstill, in order to exert political influence.

    When you start throwing around the Communist label, on such flimsily made up pretense ("oh look! he spoke in favour of 'the public', the dirty commie bastard!"), you just betray yourself as a propagandist that wants discussion dragged down to gutter-level arguments like straw-men and 'Us vs Them' name calling (Capitalists vs Communists - I happen to favour capitalism, but don't let an ignorant assumption get in the way of some good Communist bashing, for rhetorical effect).

    That shows you know your views are incapable of surviving strictly-logical argument - so you avoid that at all costs, to put out spin and bullshít instead.


    Really, any poster that thinks "anyone who disagrees with me is a Communist" is a valid method of argument, is generally either a propagandist or extremely paranoid.

    I haven't actually ever seen a single Communist post on boards, nor a Marxist, not even over in the Political Theory forum; yet judging by all the right-wing posters, you'd swear we're either drowning in an onslaught of Communists, or that all the right-wing posters whining about imaginary Communists, are suffering paranoid delusions.


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