Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Nodin · 05-08-2013 05:17PM

old hippy wrote: »

Why is their life already forfeit? Do we stoop to barbarism in order to prevent barbarism?

...in the full knowledge that it hasn't worked before, and theres no evidence of it every having done so, ever, anywhere.

MadsL · 05-08-2013 05:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

...in the full knowledge that it hasn't worked before, and theres no evidence of it every having done so, ever, anywhere.

..and the utter rejection that anyone, anywhere has rehabilitated into society after committing a murder.

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 06:01PM

old hippy wrote: »

Why is their life already forfeit? Do we stoop to barbarism in order to prevent barbarism?

Do you only engage with soundbites ? They are being locked up for the rest of their lives. They live at the direction of the penal system. They no longer have a life of their own. You throw out the word barbarism to describe the death penalty. What about locking someone up for the rest of their lives ? How is it more barbarous than punishing someone indefinitely ?

Btw I never mentioned preventing anything. I actually made it clear that it wasnt a means to prevent anything or punish anyone in my post to leftist.

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 06:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

...in the full knowledge that it hasn't worked before, and theres no evidence of it every having done so, ever, anywhere.

In the context of the discussion you are quoting you are 100% wrong. My point is that some people with many convictions that are not safe be left in society must be removed from society. I see the death penalty as a better option than punishing these people indefinitely. So whats it got to achieve ? Removing the person from being an issue to the state, the penal system and themselves. Does execution do that ? Yes it most certainly does.

Norwesterner · 05-08-2013 06:27PM

Leftist wrote: »

the death penalty is pointless and serves as no deterrent to crime.
It can also cost more than housing a prisoner for life because of appeals.

Quite frankly if I was given a choice of death sentence or prison for rest of my life, I'd choose death.

23hrs lockdown a day, with no access to literature or television for the rest of your days? come on. Give me the chair.

So, you're actually saying that the death penalty is the more humane option?
Thumbs up.

Nodin · 05-08-2013 06:31PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

In the context of the discussion you are quoting you are 100% wrong. My point is that some people with many convictions that are not safe be left in society must be removed from society. I see the death penalty as a better option than punishing these people indefinitely. So whats it got to achieve ? Removing the person from being an issue to the state, the penal system and themselves. Does execution do that ? Yes it most certainly does.

....I was unaware we were limited to those two options.

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 06:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

....I was unaware we were limited to those two options.

And what other options are there for someone who has failed to be rehabilitated and is a continuing source of suffering for others in society ? ........ in full knowledge that each and every time they have been release previously they have re offended.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-08-2013 08:01PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Removing people who have no place in society from society completely, not just hiding them away at the expense of everyone else.

The expsene is grearter when killing them. And how is killing them any different from "hiding them away"?

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 08:08PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The expsene is grearter when killing them. And how is killing them any different from "hiding them away"?

Doesnt mean it wouldnt serve a purpose outside merely preventing crime by being seen as a harsh punishment. Its expensive now because of the appeals process which is the way it is because they seek the death penalty as punishment for a crime. I dont think it should be used as a punishment but a solution to a problem individual who's exhausted every effort the state has tried to rehabilitate them and are facing life in prison.

It would be different because it would remove the problem that is the individual rather than shifting it along.

phenomenalcat · 05-08-2013 08:11PM

Yes, the ultimate deterrant for scumbags

Gatling · 05-08-2013 08:26PM

Don't give mulitipley appeals ,

One appeal

Charged ,trial ,convicted ,sentenced ,

12-14 months

Carrying out of sentence no longer than 30 days from conviction

KwackerJack · 05-08-2013 08:48PM

If a person commits murder, child abuse etc they should be removed from society completely!

Can you really rehabilitate a person who commits those types of crimes??

If a person commits a crime knowing the penalty is death well that's there choice and they deserve what they get!

All this ' It's barbaric to take a life for a life' is nonsense, if you kill another human being or molest a child you deserve not to exist on this planet and when the public see a person being executed it will make them think twice before making that final lethal choice!!

dar100 · 05-08-2013 08:56PM

You don't hit a child to teach him not to hit others, why should this be different

05-08-2013 08:57PM

Gatling wrote: »

Don't give mulitipley appeals ,

One appeal

Charged ,trial ,convicted ,sentenced ,

12-14 months

Carrying out of sentence no longer than 30 days from conviction

I'd hate to be a wrongly convicted man/woman, in your state/country.

namloc1980 · 05-08-2013 08:59PM

KwackerJack wrote: »

If a person commits murder, child abuse etc they should be removed from society completely!

Can you really rehabilitate a person who commits those types of crimes??

If a person commits a crime knowing the penalty is death well that's there choice and they deserve what they get!

All this ' It's barbaric to take a life for a life' is nonsense, if you kill another human being or molest a child you deserve not to exist on this planet and when the public see a person being executed it will make them think twice before making that final lethal choice!!

What you describe is vengeance, not justice. Killing someone to show that killing is wrong is just plain stupid. A society that allows for it stoops to the same level as the criminal as it demonstrates that killing a human is ok when of course it never is.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-08-2013 09:04PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Doesnt mean it wouldnt serve a purpose outside merely preventing crime by being seen as a harsh punishment. Its expensive now because of the appeals process which is the way it is because they seek the death penalty as punishment for a crime. I dont think it should be used as a punishment but a solution to a problem individual who's exhausted every effort the state has tried to rehabilitate them and are facing life in prison.

It would be different because it would remove the problem that is the individual rather than shifting it along.

The initial point was said that they couldn't guarantee it reduced crime, and no one's shown me proof that it can..

Now, when you say "exhausted every effort the state has tried to rehabliliate them", for what crimes are you advocating it?

Gatling wrote: »

Don't give mulitipley appeals ,

One appeal

Charged ,trial ,convicted ,sentenced ,

12-14 months

Carrying out of sentence no longer than 30 days from conviction

So, what do you think should be the punishment for the State in the event of a miscarraige of justice?

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 09:23PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The initial point was said that they couldn't guarantee it reduced crime, and no one's shown me proof that it can..

Now, when you say "exhausted every effort the state has tried to rehabliliate them", for what crimes are you advocating it?

I was just pointing out thats not the only reason for it. I dont think there any evidence to suggest it does reduce crime either.

I'm not advocating it as punishment for a particular crime, I dont believe it should. I'm advocating it as an alternative to life in prison for criminals who's record should classify them as too much of a risk of re-offending to be released.

namloc1980 · 05-08-2013 09:23PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I dont think it should be used as a punishment but a solution to a problem individual who's exhausted every effort the state has tried to rehabilitate them and are facing life in prison.

It would be different because it would remove the problem that is the individual rather than shifting it along.

Killing people to fix a social problem! Sounds like a bunch of lads I've read about who came up with the idea of killing undesirables...they called it the final solution...they were the Nazis.

KwackerJack · 05-08-2013 09:27PM

So what do we do with Serial killers, murderers, serial rapists, child molesters??

Give them comfy cells with tvs, gyms, pool tables???

Seem like a good life on the back of the tax payer who is funding these scum to live for free all be it locked up!

Nodin · 05-08-2013 09:32PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I was just pointing out thats not the only reason for it. I dont think there any evidence to suggest it does reduce crime either.

I'm not advocating it as punishment for a particular crime, I dont believe it should. I'm advocating it as an alternative to life in prison for criminals who's record should classify them as too much of a risk of re-offending to be released.

....so essentially 'I don't know what to do with you, therefore I'm killing you'. Great stuff.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-08-2013 09:32PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I'm not advocating it as punishment for a particular crime, I dont believe it should. I'm advocating it as an alternative to life in prison for criminals who's record should classify them as too much of a risk of re-offending to be released.

Doesn't really answer the question: are we talking about one-off murderers and rapists, or people who go throug life with hundreds of petty offenses?

Nodin · 05-08-2013 09:33PM

KwackerJack wrote: »

So what do we do with Serial killers, murderers, serial rapists, child molesters??

Give them comfy cells with tvs, gyms, pool tables???

Seem like a good life on the back of the tax payer who is funding these scum to live for free all be it locked up!

....I often wonder where this bullshit comes from...is it flown in? Does it come in big shipping containers?

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 09:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

....so essentially 'I don't know what to do with you, therefore I'm killing you'. Great stuff.

............. yeah that's it.

Artful_Badger · 05-08-2013 09:38PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Doesn't really answer the question: are we talking about one-off murderers and rapists, or people who go throug life with hundreds of petty offenses?

Not one off crimes. Multiple convictions for violent offenses.

Johro · 05-08-2013 09:40PM

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-innocence

Hitchens · 05-08-2013 09:51PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So, what do you think should be the punishment for the State in the event of a miscarraige of justice?

What do you think yourself?

KwackerJack · 05-08-2013 10:03PM

:rolleyes:

Nodin wrote: »

....I often wonder where this bullshit comes from...is it flown in? Does it come in big shipping containers?

Its in the water!

From a nation who defeated an empire to a bunch of couch warriors afraid to punish a criminal incase were seen as being mean to them!

If you commit a crime you must face the consequences. Its ridiculous to defend and make up excuses for criminals!

Let them kill a family member then see if you feel remorse for the poor chap!

God sure he killed a man but he's great at Gaa and has never been in trouble :rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-08-2013 10:04PM

Hitchens wrote: »

What do you think yourself?

The last time you asked me that you had difficulties defining basic words and presenting your argument, tried to hide behind a spelling mistake and then got banned for being a grammar Nazi; so what do I think? I think the same thing will happen again.

Nodin · 05-08-2013 10:54PM

KwackerJack wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Its in the water!

From a nation who defeated an empire to a bunch of couch warriors afraid to punish a criminal incase were seen as being mean to them!

...the harsh punishment/lock em up/hang em high approach doesn't work. Therefore implementing it would be institutionalising vengeance, not solving the problem of criminality.

05-08-2013 11:11PM

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year

Capital punishment appears to be working a treat.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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