Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:26PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

As far as im concerned anybody who thinks there shouldn't be a death penalty allows these monsters to live amongst us, sum people r not human and deserve to die, and I know it was England, but im just using that as an example.

The pro death penalty camp always resort to the emotional arguments...says it all really.

Hitchens · 04-08-2013 07:27PM

claypigeon777 wrote: »

Killing someone who is an evil monster dehumanizes society and diminishes us all collectively.

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Straight off the 1st page of the PC Brigade manual.....:rolleyes:

Gatling · 04-08-2013 07:28PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The pro death penalty camp always resort to the emotional arguments...says it all really.

Mean while the love and hugs crowd still can't put up a an actual argument to counter ,

jwkbyrne · 04-08-2013 07:31PM

cometogether wrote: »

Nonsense. Amongst us? So according to that the only options for dealing with murderers are killing them or keeping them in the general population? Have you not heard of prisons? And what gives you the right to decide if someone deserves to die?

The prisons r overcrowded and like a holiday camp, wat r u on about keeping them in general population? And what gives u the right or any government the right to say certain things should live? This is my opinion? If u even understand that, all child molesters, rapists should die after yrs of pain,anybody who murders them first shouldn't die, they should get a free bus pass.

04-08-2013 07:33PM

For 2011, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.7, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2010, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.6, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 2.9

For 2009, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.9, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 2.8

For 2008, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 5.2, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.3

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

mattjack · 04-08-2013 07:35PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

The prisons r overcrowded and like a holiday camp, wat r u on about keeping them in general population? And what gives u the right or any government the right to say certain things should live? This is my opinion? If u even understand that, all child molesters, rapists should die after yrs of pain,anybody who murders them first shouldn't die, they should get a free bus pass.

Glad you cleared things up.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

Mean while the love and hugs crowd still can't put up a an actual argument to counter ,

Would you happy to leave the EU and rescind the European Convention on Human Rights to bring it back? It also isn't a deterrent to crime. It reduces society to the same level as the criminal and it's irreversible in the case of a mistake (which do happen). Also where were all you pro death people in 2001?

Hitchens · 04-08-2013 07:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

all just tree-hugger spin................!!

claypigeon777 · 04-08-2013 07:39PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Straight off the 1st page of the PC Brigade manual.....:rolleyes:

Would you be prepared to do the killing?

Killing is no joke and only a psychopath would feel no conscience about it even if the person was a multiple murderer or rapist.

Anyone who claims they feel nothing when someone's life is taken is either lying or is not normal.

A person who is in chains and in restraints and is under armed guard is not a danger to anyone.

If you kill a person in those circumstances even if they are a brutal evil criminal that's utterly unjust.

I've seen people die in hospitals even where the best care is provided and to hear them struggle for breath and to hear their last death throes is not fun.

Human beings have dignity and deserve dignity even if they are people we detest.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:42PM

Hitchens wrote: »

all just tree-hugger spin................!!

What a well reasoned and sound argument. Can't argue with it really.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 07:46PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's not a deterrent... see the USA for example.

The homicide rate in North America is 4.8 per 100'000 citizens.
In Central America (where they have no death penalty) it's 28.5 per 100,000.
In South America No death penalty) it's 20 per 100'000.

The homicide rate in laid back Cayman Islands is double the U.S homicide rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 07:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

For all those looking for revenge and to have state sponsored killing in Ireland, would you all be happy for us to leave the EU and rescind our obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights (which would undoubtedly mean a loss of many rights for us all) to have capital punishment? Because that's what it would take for us to reintroduce it. Oh and a referendum as well to overturn a 62/38 decision from the 2001 referendum. Well?

Happy to leave the E.U?
Um......yes.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 07:49PM

Gatling wrote: »

There's people out there who wouldn't support castration for rapist's and child abusers under the stupid argument of they have the right to a family life ,

Some people have a seriously sugar coated views on human rights

Castration is used in several European countries including Germany and the UK.
Time we had it in Ireland too.

Hitchens · 04-08-2013 07:51PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What a well reasoned and sound argument. Can't argue with it really.

It's more well reasoned and sound than something you copied and pasted from a totally partisan website!

claypigeon777 · 04-08-2013 07:53PM

If someone should die unnaturally it should be only their own choosing and they should not be pressured and they should be with their loved ones.

I can think of nothing crueler than killing someone when they wish to live.

Private Eddie Slovik was executed for desertion.

He was utterly helpless and utterly alone when he died.

Taking a life corrodes society and reduces us all to level of beasts.

jwkbyrne · 04-08-2013 07:53PM

U know im sorry I even bothered posting on this thread with a load of kids on it, bring it back, that's me that was the question, sum pimple deserve death, we're all gonna go anyway, sum deserve it earlier than others, bye

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:55PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

The homicide rate in North America is 4.8 per 100'000 citizens.
In Central America (where they have no death penalty) it's 28.5 per 100,000.
In South America No death penalty) it's 20 per 100'000.

The homicide rate in laid back Cayman Islands is double the U.S homicide rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Haha. Are you seriously trying to compare crime in Ireland to basket case regions like central america??

Hitchens · 04-08-2013 07:56PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Haha. Are you seriously trying to compare crime in Ireland to basket case regions like central america??

Geez, is that your best shot?

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:59PM

Hitchens wrote: »

It's more well reasoned and sound than something you copied and pasted from a totally partisan website!

Still can't come up with an argument I see. And now resorting to spurious accusations. How sad.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 07:59PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Geez, is that your best shot?

It's all your ridiculous comparisons deserve.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:00PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Haha. Are you seriously trying to compare crime in Ireland to basket case regions like central america??

I didn't mention Ireland in my post.
I was responding to the guy who said homicide rates were not affected by the Death penalty in the U.S.
I stated they had the lowest rates in the Continent.
Even the Caribbean islands of Barbados, St Kitts, and the Bahamas have higher rates than the U.S.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:01PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Happy to leave the E.U?
Um......yes.

I see you've thought this through.

claypigeon777 · 04-08-2013 08:02PM

If you are not prepared to pull the lever and hang someone, if you are not prepared to pull the trigger to shoot someone, if you are not prepared to administer the fatal dose, if you are not prepared to swing the axe or drop the guillotine blade, then I think you should shut up if you advocate the death penalty.

It's easy to call for someone's death when you aren't the one doing the killing.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:02PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I see you've thought this through.

Abso....wait for it......lutely.

rasper · 04-08-2013 08:04PM

Not a hope , humans have been tortuing , imprisoning and killing each other for crimes for centuries
, where or when does it work, has to be a better wsy

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:05PM

claypigeon777 wrote: »

If you are not prepared to pull the lever and hang someone, if you are not prepared to pull the trigger to shoot someone, if you are not prepared to administer the fatal dose, if you are not prepared to swing the axe or drop the guillotine blade, then I think you should shut up if you advocate the death penalty.

It's easy to call for someone's death when you aren't the one doing the killing.

Dross. Thats like saying unless you're prepared to scrape a foetus from a womb you shouldn't support abortion.
I don't want to climb down a sewer with a stick and a net to fish condoms in order to unblock an exit, but hey I support it being done.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:08PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

I didn't mention Ireland in my post.
I was responding to the guy who said homicide rates were not affected by the Death penalty in the U.S.
I stated they had the lowest rates in the Continent.
Even the Caribbean islands of Barbados, St Kitts, and the Bahamas have higher rates than the U.S.

Canada has a substantially lower rate and has no death penalty. How do you square that one? Germany, Spain, France and the UK combined have a lower rate than the USA and have no death penalty.

cometogether · 04-08-2013 08:11PM

jwkbyrne wrote: »

The prisons r overcrowded and like a holiday camp, wat r u on about keeping them in general population? And what gives u the right or any government the right to say certain things should live? This is my opinion? If u even understand that, all child molesters, rapists should die after yrs of pain,anybody who murders them first shouldn't die, they should get a free bus pass.

Surely the bolded statement is a contradiction? I'm pretty sure the UN Charter if Human Rights guarantees the right to life, but I'm sure you know better than that. As for the rest of your post, you're going to have to be a bit more coherent, because I don't understand a word of it.

Norwesterner · 04-08-2013 08:12PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Canada has a substantially lower rate and has no death penalty. How do you square that one? Germany, Spain, France and the UK combined have a lower rate than the USA and have no death penalty.

It wasn't me who raised the correlation between the death penalty and homicide rates.
Someone mentioned the U.S and implied they had a homicide rate going through the roof, despite the death penalty. when it's actually around the global average.
Given it's gun ownership and rich-poor divide, I'd imagine they'd have a higher rate if they weren't as tough on crime.

namloc1980 · 04-08-2013 08:13PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Castration is used in several European countries including Germany and the UK.
Time we had it in Ireland too.

To be clear it's not available in the uk or Germany as a punishment. Convicted offenders can apply for it voluntarily only.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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