“Kiss your mother, You may never see her again"

Neutronale · 24-07-2013 10:30AM #1

In the early hours of Friday 15 March 2013, masked Israeli soldiers, some with attack dogs, stormed the village of Hares, which is close to Road 5. More than 50 soldiers broke the doors of the villagers’ houses, demanding the whereabouts of their teenage sons. Ten boys were arrested that night, blindfolded, handcuffed, and transferred to an unknown location. The families were not informed of their sons’ alleged wrongdoings.

Two days later, a second wave of violent arrests took place. At around 3 o’clock in the morning, the Israeli army, accompanied by the Shabak (the Israeli secret service), entered the homes of 3 Palestinian adolescents. They had a piece of paper with their names in Hebrew. After forcing all the family members into one room, taking away their phones so that they wouldn’t call for help, and interrogating them, the soldiers handcuffed their sons, all aged 16-17.

“Kiss and hug your mother goodbye,” a Shabak agent told one boy. “You may never see her again.”

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eyescreamcone · 24-07-2013 10:37AM

Neutronale wrote: »

In the early hours of Friday 15 March 2013, masked Israeli soldiers, some with attack dogs, stormed the village of Hares, which is close to Road 5. More than 50 soldiers broke the doors of the villagers’ houses, demanding the whereabouts of their teenage sons. Ten boys were arrested that night, blindfolded, handcuffed, and transferred to an unknown location. The families were not informed of their sons’ alleged wrongdoings.

Two days later, a second wave of violent arrests took place. At around 3 o’clock in the morning, the Israeli army, accompanied by the Shabak (the Israeli secret service), entered the homes of 3 Palestinian adolescents. They had a piece of paper with their names in Hebrew. After forcing all the family members into one room, taking away their phones so that they wouldn’t call for help, and interrogating them, the soldiers handcuffed their sons, all aged 16-17.

“Kiss and hug your mother goodbye,” a Shabak agent told one boy. “You may never see her again.”

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And your point is..
Israel = militaristic fascist bully boys?
Palestinians = poor freedom fighters?

Not everybody agrees with your viewpoint.

Neutronale · 24-07-2013 11:03AM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

And your point is..
Israel = militaristic fascist bully boys?
Palestinians = poor freedom fighters?

Not everybody agrees with your viewpoint.

They are kids who should have their rights respected and shouldn't be mistreated, is that too hard for you to understand?

eyescreamcone · 24-07-2013 11:28AM

Neutronale wrote: »

They are kids who should have their rights respected and shouldn't be mistreated, is that too hard for you to understand?

Please.
The whole world doesn't operate on TCD Debating rules.

Would you prefer that the Israelis write registered letters to the parents asking if they could bring their "little treasures" in for a chat... at their convenience of course???

It would be nice if the world operated like that wouldn't it?

Neutronale · 24-07-2013 04:35PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Please.
The whole world doesn't operate on TCD Debating rules.

Would you prefer that the Israelis write registered letters to the parents asking if they could bring their "little treasures" in for a chat... at their convenience of course???

It would be nice if the world operated like that wouldn't it?

You're supporting the type of tactics used by the Nazis, it would be nice if you opposed such oppression.

eyescreamcone · 25-07-2013 10:19AM

Neutronale wrote: »

You're supporting the type of tactics used by the Nazis, it would be nice if you opposed such oppression.

Is this a record for the earliest mention of the Nazis in a thread?

I'm not supporting anyone - what I'm doing is pointing out that "the little treasures" are probably not as perfect as you think, and that rules of engagement differ somewhat throughout the world.

There are two sides to every story and the Palestinians can be quite dirty with their tactics when the need arises also.

Dogwatch · 25-07-2013 04:00PM

When nothing else works.........Godwins Law comes into play.

Neutronale · 25-07-2013 06:32PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Is this a record for the earliest mention of the Nazis in a thread?

I'm not supporting anyone - what I'm doing is pointing out that "the little treasures" are probably not as perfect as you think, and that rules of engagement differ somewhat throughout the world.

There are two sides to every story and the Palestinians can be quite dirty with their tactics when the need arises also.

Minors in the Israeli Military Courts

“The rights of Palestinian minors are flagrantly violated at every stage of the proceedings conducted against them, from the initial arrest and removal from their homes, through interrogation and trial, to serving the prison sentence, and then release […]

The amendments to the military legislation are marginal and have failed to bring about meaningful change in the military system’s treatment of minors.” B’Tselem

Neutronale · 25-07-2013 06:37PM

Ali's parents describe his forced confession...

http://youtu.be/MANc8H2Mk2U

Neutronale · 25-07-2013 06:43PM

Dogwatch wrote: »

When nothing else works.........Godwins Law comes into play.

Honesty is the best policy

long range shooter · 01-08-2013 01:15PM

Neutronale wrote: »

You're supporting the type of tactics used by the Nazis, it would be nice if you opposed such oppression.

Theres two sides to the story here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10023810/Hamas-teaches-Palestinian-schoolboys-how-to-fire-Kalashnikovs.html

Snickers Man · 01-08-2013 01:50PM

tac foley wrote: »

U
I'd start worrying about where Israel is going on the day I read about an Israeli schoolkid getting on a Palestinian school bus and blowing it up.

Surely the Israelis have F-15s and cluster/phosphorus bombs for that sort of thing?

Snickers Man · 01-08-2013 02:07PM

tac foley wrote: »

I'm still waiting to hear about Israel bombing a Palestinian school bus with anything, let alone an F-15 with CBUs.

Anyway, as a Jew I'm way to near to this thread to take an impartial overview, so I'll let you all get on with it.

I won't even mention the links between Hamas, other Islamic radical terrorist groups and Irishmen, if you won't.

tac

Well you clearly don't understand the basic rules of discourse when Irish people discuss the whole Israeli/Palestine/Arab issue. If you are an Israeli or a diaspora Zionist or a Palestinian or Pan Arabist these discussions are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. This is OUR vicarious little squabble and you have no place in it.

Surely there must be forum rules about this sort of thing

And on a slightly serious note, there was a time when rebel Irishmen and zionists were a lot closer than they are now. But then history has always been full of ironies.

tac foley · 01-08-2013 02:19PM

I'm one of the rarities - an Irish Jew. Well, a HALF-Irish Jew.

Since you've shown me that, in the opinion of some here, anybody who sides with Israel is supporting a régime of child-massacring mass-murderers, and that any attempt to put over another, less-biased, point of view is wasted and none of my business, I'll leave you all to it.

tac

Neutronale · 01-08-2013 05:37PM

long range shooter wrote: »

Theres two sides to the story here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/10023810/Hamas-teaches-Palestinian-schoolboys-how-to-fire-Kalashnikovs.html

Hamas teaches Palestinian schoolboys how to fire Kalashnikovs
Palestinian schoolboys are learning how to fire Kalashnikovs, throw grenades and plant improvised explosive devices as part of a programme run by Hamas's education ministry.

The Torygraph comic :rolleyes:

The brits teach their kids to be killers as well...

Snickers Man · 01-08-2013 05:59PM

tac foley wrote: »

I'm one of the rarities - an Irish Jew. Well, a HALF-Irish Jew.

Irish Jews are an extraordinary breed. Never more than about 5,000 of them at any one time, according to census data, but in the 20th century they produced two lord mayors of Dublin, one Lord Mayor of Cork, four members of the Irish parliament (including at least one cabinet minister), several chairmen of the Irish stock exchange, at least one rugby international.

Oh and a president of Israel.

But then you probably knew all that.

long range shooter · 02-08-2013 07:05AM

Neutronale wrote: »

The Torygraph comic :rolleyes:

The brits teach their kids to be killers as well...

Its a difference from learning military discipline, and jumping on a schoolbus and blow your self and the bus up.

tac foley · 02-08-2013 03:22PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPU4UN03t7E

tac

eyescreamcone · 02-08-2013 04:17PM

Should the Israelis only leave kids on buses if they have a season pass...or at least a return ticket?

Anyone looking for a one way ticket -dodgy, very dodgy!!!

Neutronale · 07-08-2013 04:55PM

long range shooter wrote: »

Its a difference from learning military discipline, and jumping on a schoolbus and blow your self and the bus up.

Ha, so when its your enemy you say they are 'teaching kids to kill' and when its your own crowd its 'teaching military discipline' - pull the other one.

Blowing up buses is just a tactic, when you dont have F16s you employ other tactics.

Neutronale · 07-08-2013 04:57PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Should the Israelis only leave kids on buses if they have a season pass...or at least a return ticket?

Anyone looking for a one way ticket -dodgy, very dodgy!!!

There havent been suicide bombings in Palestine/Israel for years.

tac foley · 07-08-2013 06:39PM

Congratulations, Mr Neutronale.

You have now joined a couple of your like-minded pals on my ignore list.

'bye.

tac

tac foley · 07-08-2013 09:22PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Irish Jews are an extraordinary breed. Never more than about 5,000 of them at any one time, according to census data, but in the 20th century they produced two lord mayors of Dublin, one Lord Mayor of Cork, four members of the Irish parliament (including at least one cabinet minister), several chairmen of the Irish stock exchange, at least one rugby international.

Oh and a president of Israel.

But then you probably knew all that.

I did.

tac

Neutronale · 09-08-2013 12:47PM

tac foley wrote: »

Congratulations, Mr Neutronale.

You have now joined a couple of your like-minded pals on my ignore list.

'bye.

tac

Lol, I accept your invitation with gratitude...:cool:

BloodBath · 18-12-2013 02:19AM

Irish Jews are an extraordinary breed. Never more than about 5,000 of them at any one time, according to census data, but in the 20th century they produced two lord mayors of Dublin, one Lord Mayor of Cork, four members of the Irish parliament (including at least one cabinet minister), several chairmen of the Irish stock exchange, at least one rugby international.

Oh and a president of Israel.

But then you probably knew all that.

It's called infiltration. Something Jews have been doing for centuries.

Manic Moran · 19-12-2013 02:15AM

OK, this thread is of very limited military interest, and the OP is slightly lacking in discourse.

“Kiss your mother, You may never see her again"

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