Uruguay to legalise marijuana

dublinbhoy88 · 01-08-2013 10:55AM

I think people are missing the point about cannabis prohibition... Its not banned for health reasons.. That conspiracy theory is well debunked at this stage... The government want to grow up and join the human race

Tabnabs · 01-08-2013 11:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have never smoked marijuana, but it's my own personal choice. Know many others who have and the only effect I've ever seen on them is that they feel a little lazy. Nothing wrong with that. It's completely silly that it's still banned. Can you imagine how quickly we would be out of recession if it was legalized and taxed? I really hope it proves successful in Uruguay, it might hopefully lead to other countries doing the same.

this is not the recession cure you are looking for...

Duck's hoop · 01-08-2013 11:35AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

this is not the recession cure you are looking for...

Hmmm. Yet it is estimated to be worth 12-14 billion to US economy. Rising to 20 bn by 2020.

Fact is, it's not going away, it's utterly ridiculous to criminalise smokers and growers and there's definitely a revenue source there.

At a time when they're cutting this and taxing that to make or save as little as 10 million, it's time our govt got progressive.

The world is moving on fast, particularly, and very ironically, the US.

Christ the Redeemer · 01-08-2013 11:38AM

Leftist wrote: »

ireland is about 50 years behind the rest of the western world when it comes to education about drugs.

I remember in the late 90s having guests into our secondary school to teach us about how marajuana is a 'stepping stone drug', can cause hallucinations and criminal behaviour. Can destroy lives and tear families apart.

Unfortunately, while there's a prohibition in effect, MJ is a stepping stone drug.

Alcohol would be too, though, if we had to buy it off some charlatan on a corner who also sold other drugs.

dublinbhoy88 · 01-08-2013 11:41AM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Unfortunately, while there's a prohibition in effect, MJ is a stepping stone drug.

Alcohol would be too, though, if we had to buy it off some charlatan on a corner who also sold other drugs.

I know plenty of people who stepped from alcohol to cocaine without using weed

Leftist · 01-08-2013 11:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, but that's like saying a person drank water during a drinking alcohol binge that ultimately ended up in a hit and run.

Exactly.

studiorat wrote: »

If you actually quoted the article properly and weren't so intent on twisting the truth you'd see that the cannabis was mixed with other drugs.
Only a moron would misquote the Irish Times too I suppose.

Wentholt, who had been drinking .. and smoking cannabis...before repeatedly stomping on

mis·quote (ms-kwt)
tr.v. mis·quot·ed, mis·quot·ing, mis·quotes
To quote incorrectly.
Cringe.

Christ the Redeemer · 01-08-2013 11:43AM

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

I know plenty of people who stepped from alcohol to cocaine without using weed

So do I.

Leftist · 01-08-2013 11:46AM

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Unfortunately, while there's a prohibition in effect, MJ is a stepping stone drug.

Alcohol would be too, though, if we had to buy it off some charlatan on a corner who also sold other drugs.

perhaps. the point was the misinformation that was used to educate youth about the effects of usage.

General General · 01-08-2013 11:47AM

Weed is from the Earth... God put it here for me & you! ...take advantage, man!

mikom · 01-08-2013 11:48AM

The leader of Uruguay is Jose Mujica.

He donates about 90% of his monthly salary, equivalent to $12,000 (£7,500), to charity - which has led him to be labelled the poorest president in the world.

In 2010, his annual personal wealth declaration - mandatory for officials in Uruguay - was $1,800 (£1,100), the value of his 1987 Volkswagen Beetle.

Elected in 2009, Mujica spent the 1960s and 1970s as part of the Uruguayan guerrilla Tupamaros, a leftist armed group inspired by the Cuban revolution.

He was shot six times and spent 14 years in jail. Most of his detention was spent in harsh conditions and isolation, until he was freed in 1985 when Uruguay returned to democracy.

He is about to legalise cannabis.

**********************************************

Enda Kenny is on a salary of €200,000.

Enda Kenny was a teacher.

He climbs croagh patrick with trapattoni for photo ops.

Here is his insightful commentary on cannabis.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k9sohbulg

FANNY.

Duck's hoop · 01-08-2013 11:48AM

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

I know plenty of people who stepped from alcohol to cocaine without using weed

In actual fact, many that use coke, or powders in general, as well as pills, never touch a joint.

Leftist · 01-08-2013 12:00PM

mikom wrote: »

He was shot six times and spent 14 years in jail.

Maybe if he layed off the joints and respected the law he would have led a better life?

Spunge · 01-08-2013 12:01PM

Leftist wrote: »

Maybe if he layed off the joints and respected the law he would have led a better life?

weak

MonaPizza · 01-08-2013 12:09PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I remember when the occupy dame street was about I had a look around the camp, I could confidently say that all the protesters would be well experienced in cannabis usage.

Do people really want to turn Ireland into one big occupy movement full of stoners?

Well it's not against the law to buy glue in ireland. Are we all walking around in a haze sniffing into plastic bags full of the stuff?

Leftist · 01-08-2013 12:09PM

Spunge wrote: »

weak

quite the opposite infact. Takes strength to go straight.

Not sure how this convicted criminal is supposed to control a country while his arms feel like a fortnight in a bad balloon. What happens if he overdoses?

mikom · 01-08-2013 12:11PM

Leftist wrote: »

quite the opposite infact. Takes strength to go straight.

Not sure how this convicted criminal is supposed to control a country while his arms feel like a fortnight in a bad balloon. What happens if he overdoses?

Insert Brass Eye quote here.

Leftist · 01-08-2013 12:15PM

mikom wrote: »

Insert Brass Eye quote here.

This guy is injecting drugs into his spliff end.

Hande hoche! · 01-08-2013 12:21PM

mikom wrote: »

Insert Brass Eye quote here.

Good point, four pages in and no mention of the scourge of cake.

Christ the Redeemer · 01-08-2013 12:24PM

You could kill an Otter in a second....Just kick its face off.

old hippy · 01-08-2013 12:38PM

I loathe the gateway to other drugs argument. It makes as much sense as saying if you have the occasional glass of wine you'll end up drinking methylated spirits.

And the endless tired cliches of smokers being long haired crusty layabout lefties does get irksome. I know garda, doctors, nurses and pleny of professional folk who enjoy the odd smoke.

studiorat · 01-08-2013 12:51PM

Leftist wrote: »

mis·quote (ms-kwt)
tr.v. mis·quot·ed, mis·quot·ing, mis·quotes
To quote incorrectly.
Cringe.

Why did you leave out the fact he was drinking Whiskey? It was reported in the "National Media".

old hippy · 01-08-2013 12:54PM

Leftist wrote: »

Maybe if he layed off the joints and respected the law he would have led a better life?

What can be better than President of a country

frank reynolds · 01-08-2013 12:59PM

people who smoke: enjoying their lives.
people who give out about it: Pat kenny/Joe Duffy and Winning Streak fans.

studiorat · 01-08-2013 01:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

I loathe the gateway to other drugs argument. It makes as much sense as saying if you have the occasional glass of wine you'll end up drinking methylated spirits.

I think there is some truth to it. Even if you start drinking in moderation there's still a possibility that you'll end up an alcoholic, I think that's possible. I don't see it as nonsensical.

If you start smoking weed regularly you aren't going to suddenly want class A's but you are putting yourself in a position where they may be available. And I do think you are more likely to try something if you have already become comfortable around weed and it's culture in Ireland.

I don't know any addicts who don't smoke weed.

Boombastic · 01-08-2013 01:06PM

studiorat wrote: »

I think there is some truth to it. Even if you start drinking in moderation there's still a possibility that you'll end up an alcoholic, I think that's possible. I don't see it as nonsensical.

If you start smoking weed regularly you aren't going to suddenly want class A's but you are putting yourself in a position where they may be available. And I do think you are more likely to try something if you have already become comfortable around weed and it's culture in Ireland.

I don't know any addicts who don't smoke weed.

That's a good argument to legalise it

old hippy · 01-08-2013 01:07PM

studiorat wrote: »

I think there is some truth to it. Even if you start drinking in moderation there's still a possibility that you'll end up an alcoholic, I think that's possible. I don't see it as nonsensical.

If you start smoking weed regularly you aren't going to suddenly want class A's but you are putting yourself in a position where they may be available. And I do think you are more likely to try something if you have already become comfortable around weed and it's culture in Ireland.

I don't know any addicts who don't smoke weed.

I knew a couple of crack addicts who didn't do weed but they'd sell their own mother to get more crack. I think if you suffer from an addictive personality you're going to latch on to and maybe be consumed by something, gateway catalysts or not.

I'm comfortable with weed but I haven't smoked it in years. And I do find all the stoner stories a bit twee but that was more from teens and college students.

frank reynolds · 01-08-2013 01:09PM

studiorat wrote: »

I think there is some truth to it. Even if you start drinking in moderation there's still a possibility that you'll end up an alcoholic, I think that's possible. I don't see it as nonsensical.

If you start smoking weed regularly you aren't going to suddenly want class A's but you are putting yourself in a position where they may be available. And I do think you are more likely to try something if you have already become comfortable around weed and it's culture in Ireland.

I don't know any addicts who don't smoke weed.

Eh... they are available EVERYWHERE.

"traces of cocaine found in the toilet of Dáil Eireann" for example. remember that?

so you've never heard of an alcoholic who only drinks and is only addicted to that substance?

and just to clear up - there is a HUGE difference in Hash and proper weed.
one is cheap and full of sh!te and the other is plant material without anything added to it.
so before you go on with your insane ideas of it, make sure you are aware that if it was regulated and legal, it wouldnt be the cheap stuff that people would be getting. it wouldnt be the sh!t you THINK is "weed" when in fact is hash. do some research on it's medical benefits.

we're soon to follow in Uruaguays footsteps. the UK will legalise in the next few years i would say, and then we will follow.

Jonny7 · 01-08-2013 01:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have never smoked marijuana, but it's my own personal choice. Know many others who have and the only effect I've ever seen on them is that they feel a little lazy.

Out of my "smoking group" a few have relatively serious problems from (directly/indirectly) long-term heavy smoking, generally mental/personality issues

So as with anything, it's not entirely harmless. Someone can smoke a joint or two a day with no probs, someone else can develop subtle or not-so-subtle issues.

frank reynolds · 01-08-2013 01:11PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Out of my "smoking group" a few have relatively serious problems from (directly/indirectly) long-term heavy smoking, generally mental/personality issues

So as with anything, it's not entirely harmless. Someone can smoke a joint or two a day with no probs, someone else can develop subtle or not-so-subtle issues.

same as someone can die from eating a peanut. it's not meant for EVERYONE.

Jonny7 · 01-08-2013 01:11PM

frank reynolds wrote: »

E aware that if it was regulated and legal, it wouldnt be the cheap stuff that people would be getting. it wouldnt be the sh!t you THINK is "weed" when in fact is hash. do some research on it's medical benefits.

The "purest" weed in the world has health benefits and health drawbacks.

Uruguay to legalise marijuana

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