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HANGING GATES

  • 21-07-2013 11:35PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭


    I have a few gates to hang. Just wondering what is the minimum size of RSJ that I would need and the cost per foot of this rsj. Would it work out cheaper than the hanging irons you can buy in a farmstore


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    Tomjim wrote: »
    I have a few gates to hang. Just wondering what is the minimum size of RSJ that I would need and the cost per foot of this rsj. Would it work out cheaper than the hanging irons you can buy in a farmstore
    i hung 2 gates on old railway sleepers. got 2 good ones for 25 each. much cheaper than rsj's. the price of steel is very high now. think its 50 euro a meter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    Jimini, that price for steel would be big enough to hang the pearly gates from.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    If you're using an RSJ, you nearly want to get it galvanised. I'd prefer a railway girder too. A lot more meat to it. It'll outlive you, no bother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Tomjim


    jimini0 wrote: »
    i hung 2 gates on old railway sleepers. got 2 good ones for 25 each. much cheaper than rsj's. the price of steel is very high now. think its 50 euro a meter


    do you mean timber railway sleepers or the steel one (railway tracks)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭gazahayes


    Tomjim wrote: »
    do you mean timber railway sleepers or the steel one (railway tracks)

    We have some railway sleepers as gate posts in soft ground (bog) they seem to pull up a bit with the tension on the wire at the back of the gate tho.
    We used to make our own concrete posts about 10 foot long. 2 10 foot lengths of 9 by 2 and a few threaded bars and some inch pipe for threaded gate hangers in the right place. Still have them here for at least 15 years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭iverjohnston


    gazahayes wrote: »
    We have some railway sleepers as gate posts in soft ground (bog) they seem to pull up a bit with the tension on the wire at the back of the gate tho.
    We used to make our own concrete posts about 10 foot long. 2 10 foot lengths of 9 by 2 and a few threaded bars and some inch pipe for threaded gate hangers in the right place. Still have them here for at least 15 years.

    Keep a look out for someone getting rid of old cattle slats, two bolted back to back and concreted into a 4 foot deep hole will easily carry a 14 foot gate . They shouldn't cost more than a tenner each, a few euro for threaded bar and a bag of concrete. Long lasting job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,396 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Have used old esb poles as well, they seem to replace one or two every yr here, and the old ones look perfect and they let us have them for free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭joto


    I had to replace some gate posts myself this year. 4 of them where railway sleepers put in about 20 years ago which had rotted.

    I replaced them with concrete posts €25 each at local concrete manufacturer. Used a bag and a half per post of cement and a trailer load of aggregate mixed with tractor mounted mixer.
    Great job they'll last 100 years!
    Steel posts were €75 each. Concrete posts look neater too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Standard RSJs are not the greatest thing for hanging gates esp. heavy ones.They are inclined to twist a good bit over time unless the web is well reinforced with extra plates and even then will sometimes still twist.

    To hang gates in a field,in a fence or at the roadside use either a 9 foot round timber strainer gatepost(8 foot strainers will work but sometimes dont have enough in the ground)or lenghts of steel tubing or even heavy box,depending on where the gate is going,type of fence ,enterence etc.Much better job all round

    Only trick with driving gateposts is to make sure they are plumb both ways ie so gate hangs level both open and closed.Drill out top and bottom holes,run threaded bar hanger through and then you can level gate by adjusting the hangers.Dont forget when marking holes to plumb the holes vertical to the ground.
    Nothing looks worse than 150 euros worth of a gate plus two posts with the gate hanging down or the end way up in the sky.
    Sometimes with an extra large diameter post you may need to either weld another piece of threaded bar to the standard hanger or cut a piece from the back of the post at the top.

    Tubular posts in concrete are easier to get right but you will have to leave the gate off for a while till the concrete sets.

    Not a great idea to strain wire from a gate post as over time the tension on the wire will pull the post back and unless you have lots of adjustment the gate will never hang correctly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Manoffeeling


    What about piers? 6 inch on their flat? Tedious I know and laborious, but looks well!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭hoseman


    I agree to paddysdream ,If they are hung right they add to a place,also if you are hanging a double gate make sure they are the right way up!!Neighbour has a pair by the road and one is upside down takes the look away.Used esb poles here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭Bactidiaryl


    A bit of oul baler twine off a bit of a bush Shure it will Be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    Tomjim wrote: »
    do you mean timber railway sleepers or the steel one (railway tracks)
    timber railway sleepers.
    9ft long 3.5 ft underground 5.5ft over and the bonus= they have the holes in the right place for the hanger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    A bit of oul baler twine off a bit of a bush Shure it will Be grand.
    tie 3 pallets together and you have a lever gate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    .........if it's good enough for the americans and the french :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 360 ✭✭Bactidiaryl


    jimini0 wrote: »
    tie 3 pallets together and you have a lever gate

    Would you call it a concertina gate. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Birtles


    only problem with any concrete type support ( slat, block pillar etc) is any touch from a over enthusiastic driver in and out a gate will mean it cracks and you cant repair. timber strainer posts, metal etc will have a bit of give shouldn't or in metal's case can be fixed/repaired/straightened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭Birtles


    only problem with any concrete type support ( slat, block pillar etc) is any touch from a over enthusiastic driver in and out a gate will mean it cracks and you cant repair. timber strainer posts, metal etc will have a bit of give shouldn't or in metal's case can be fixed/repaired/straightened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭gazahayes


    Birtles wrote: »
    only problem with any concrete type support ( slat, block pillar etc) is any touch from a over enthusiastic driver in and out a gate will mean it cracks and you cant repair. timber strainer posts, metal etc will have a bit of give shouldn't or in metal's case can be fixed/repaired/straightened.
    We've a homemade concrete gate post buried at least 4 foot into clay and it got a slap of a bale trailer about 5 years back and still standing crooked but still standing gate is a bit shook tho. Not too inclined to fix it as the field is leased out till the end of the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    Jimini, that price for steel would be big enough to hang the pearly gates from.
    bought a 4 meter lenght of i beam a few months ago. it was 200mmx200mm and it cost 240 including delivery. ie 50euro a meter.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭delaval


    Muckit wrote: »
    .........if it's good enough for the americans and the french :pac:

    Tarinaki gate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    I bought 200 x 100 @ 26 a metre delivered 2 weeks ago. You should shop around although 200 x 200 would make one hell of a gate post it is dear. Some steel suppliers that cut to lenght will sell ofcuts of 7-8 ft cheaper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Juniorhurler


    jimini0 wrote: »
    bought a 4 meter lenght of i beam a few months ago. it was 200mmx200mm and it cost 240 including delivery. ie 50euro a meter.

    Like I said you'd hang the pearly gates from that, nevermind G6 gates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭conseng


    Those prices are similar on a per tonne basis. 200 by 100 is 22 or 23 kg/ meter where 200 x 200 is 46 kg/ m. Roughly €1,000 per tonne sounds about right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭hoseman


    Won't say how long these took,9 ft long so to cover as much of the lane when opened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    hoseman wrote: »
    Won't say how long these took,9 ft long so to cover as much of the lane when opened.
    Tidy job . Why is the electric fence behind the gates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭hoseman


    moy83 wrote: »
    Tidy job . Why is the electric fence behind the gates
    Ground is rock,pure lucky to get the posts down,It carries the current around the field,stop cattle scratching at the gates also it is used to guide the cattle into the paddocks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭JohnBoy


    A job I started 12 months ago, but have yet to fully finish:

    gap12.jpg

    gap21.jpg

    I still need to make the lift out centre post. 99% of the time just one gate will do, but for the silage boys, especially if there's a load of bales going out, the big gap is the only way to go.

    In time I'll do the same directly across the road and the gates will meet to make a passage. My auld lad was ranting that you couldnt be doing that, blocking a public road. He came and spent the day with me putting in the foundations and setting the steelwork. I think we counted 10 things passing the road, in 6 hours but it was actually only 3 seperate vehicles. it's a very quiet road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭49801


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    A job I started 12 months ago, but have yet to fully finish:

    gap12.jpg

    gap21.jpg

    I still need to make the lift out centre post. 99% of the time just one gate will do, but for the silage boys, especially if there's a load of bales going out, the big gap is the only way to go.

    In time I'll do the same directly across the road and the gates will meet to make a passage. My auld lad was ranting that you couldnt be doing that, blocking a public road. He came and spent the day with me putting in the foundations and setting the steelwork. I think we counted 10 things passing the road, in 6 hours but it was actually only 3 seperate vehicles. it's a very quiet road.

    I like it.
    been thinking about retractable clothes lines thingy's to block off gaps so we are not alway pricking around looking for bits of fencing tape etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭hesker


    JohnBoy wrote: »
    My auld lad was ranting that you couldnt be doing that, blocking a public road.

    Was riding a bike past a farm yard one day. They had strung a wire across the road to move cattle across. Never saw it till the last second. Have you ever tried to do the limbo on a bike. Not easy I can tell ya


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