Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Nuri Sahin · 24-07-2013 12:09PM

Soups123 wrote: »

With the exception of Downing, Henderson and Carroll (all both in the same period) when else have they become known for there in-ability to pay the right price?

Arsenal fans should read back on our thread when we where selling RVP to united, most insisting on 40+m for a player with 12 months left on his contract and more because we were selling to a rival.

Liverpool fans are just reacting exactly as we did

Not arsed doing it myself, but it'd make for interesting reading looking back to this thread 12 months back alright

I definitely remember a fair few Arsenal supporters saying RVP should be only sold for £40M or around that figure anyway.

Kess73 · 24-07-2013 12:14PM

AdamD wrote: »

Frankly I think I'd be able to use genuine reason and not come up with ridiculous figures. People saying he should go for the same fee as Cavani really haven't thought about it very well. If they say: that's a fine bid, but its Arsenal, so no. That makes sense. But thinking a 40m bid in general is derogatory is simply ridiculous.

Either way at the numbers touted I hope we pull out before all other targets are gone. As good as he is I actually think he'll score less for Arsenal than he would for Liverpool as currently everything goes through him and he shoots extremely often every game, which he probably wouldn't be doing at Arsenal as he can be quite wasteful. I have the same doubts about Bale at Madrid.
I said a few weeks back 35-40m, if we're priced over that for being a rival than just move on to somebody else.

Very little in what you said that I disagree with, but when it comes to selling a high value asset then the selling party will always try to get as high a figure as they can, and the party interested in buying will always try to get the asset for as low a price as they can.

Common sense and realistic market valuations often get left at the door by both parties in the early stages of bidding.

I have no doubt though that if Suarez moved to Arsenal for £40m that there would be Arsenal supporters saying he was a steal at that price, and Liverpool supporters trying to say he was never that good. I also have little doubt that if Arsenal fail to buy him that many of the same Arsenal supporters will be saying he was never worth £40m, and the same Liverpool supporters will be lauding Suarez as being a top talent worth twice that money.

Taking Suarez out of the equation for a bit. Ifyou guys do not get him, and Higuain goes to Napoli and Soldado went elsewhere, who would the Arsenal supporters on here like to see Wenger go after?

What about the likes of Benzema?

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 12:19PM

I'd like to see the club try to turn Lewandowski's head away from Bayern, though maybe they already have to no avail. I'd imagine Dortmund would rather get a large chunk of change from us now than lose him to Bayern for nothing next year.

Failing that, go big in other areas of the pitch. Something like El Shaarawy, Bender, etc.

Soups123 · 24-07-2013 12:19PM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Not arsed doing it myself, but it'd make for interesting reading looking back to this thread 12 months back alright I definitely remember a fair few Arsenal supporters saying RVP should be only sold for £40M or around that figure anyway.

If the deal happens these are the stages you will go through;

1. Post to convince yourself he won't do that to your club
2. Realise this is a possibility and start to pray
3. Realise its going to happen and every1 in the world in a cnut no more so than the buying club and its fans
4. Demand a ridicilous amount of money and continue to take it personal with every fan you know from the buying team, insisting that they should pay a premium
5. It happens, you stop reading the net and looking at sky sports news, a sickly feeling overcomes you like when the morning after the night before when you rode a munter without a bali on.
6. Say right lets move on who can we buy.
7. Tell every one you know you hope he breaks his legs
8. Return to phase 5 when he scores his first goal
9. Return to phase 5 when he scores against you
10. Move on and learn to deal with it

Nuri Sahin · 24-07-2013 12:20PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I'd like to see the club try to turn Lewandowski's head away from Bayern, though maybe they already have to no avail. I'd imagine Dortmund would rather get a large chunk of change from us now than lose him to Bayern for nothing next year.

Failing that, go big in other areas of the pitch. Something like El Shaarawy, Bender, etc.

Yeah.. good luck with that.

EuropeanSon · 24-07-2013 12:21PM

I really, really hope we don't get Suarez. Don't want the likes of him anywhere near the club. Don't care how much he scores, or how much he costs. £40,000,000 is far, far too much anyway.

24-07-2013 12:23PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Very little in what you said that I disagree with, but when it comes to selling a high value asset then the selling party will always try to get as high a figure as they can, and the party interested in buying will always try to get the asset for as low a price as they can.

Common sense and realistic market valuations often get left at the door by both parties in the early stages of bidding.

I have no doubt though that if Suarez moved to Arsenal for £40m that there would be Arsenal supporters saying he was a steal at that price, and Liverpool supporters trying to say he was never that good. I also have little doubt that if Arsenal fail to buy him that many of the same Arsenal supporters will be saying he was never worth £40m, and the same Liverpool supporters will be lauding Suarez as being a top talent worth twice that money.

Taking Suarez out of the equation for a bit. Ifyou guys do not get him, and Higuain goes to Napoli and Soldado went elsewhere, who would the Arsenal supporters on here like to see Wenger go after?

What about the likes of Benzema?

The real problem is I can't think of many others worth going for. If Higuain goes surely Benzema stays?
After that:
El Shawaaray - Expensive and not sure if he'd go
Jackson Martinez - We'd get him but would Porto try to fleece us?
Remy - Not much of an improvement + rape charge
Osvaldo - Know nothing about him but we were linked yesterday, his goal record looks above average at best.
Adrian Lopez - Linked with him last year but his goal record is horrid
Yilmaz - Seems popular in the Liverpool thread, never been linked.

If we don't get Suarez or Higuain I'd rather we went for a top LW and a DM, leaving Walcott and Podolski to deputise Giroud. Doesn't sound amazing but Giroud should score more next year and a top LW, Cazorla and Walcott should chip in with plenty of goals behind him.

Drexel · 24-07-2013 12:24PM

if this clause is true and we can in fact speak with Suarez. Can we offer him the loyalty bonus he'd get from Liverpool so that he would hand in a transfer request?

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 12:24PM

All the worthwhile transfers for a club looking to make the step up tend to look unlikely before they happen. We've got the financial muscle now to turn heads that might otherwise not have been turned.

Soups123 · 24-07-2013 12:25PM

jonny666 wrote: »

if this clause is true and we can in fact speak with Suarez. Can we offer him the loyalty bonus he'd get from Liverpool so that he would hand in a transfer request?

We can offer him double if we want, only thing we cant agree is a price.

Kess73 · 24-07-2013 12:26PM

jonny666 wrote: »

if this clause is true and we can in fact speak with Suarez. Can we offer him the loyalty bonus he'd get from Liverpool so that he would hand in a transfer request?

I'm sure you could increase his signing on fee by that amount to encourage him to hand in a transfer request, but it would add another few million onto what you pay for him.

Gringo180 · 24-07-2013 12:30PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Higuain going to Napoli for £30m, potentially rising to £33.5m.

At that fee, you can see why the club switched interest to Suarez.

I don't think that is too much of an inflated price personally, maybe 3 or 4 million over his real valuation but in my opinion we should just pay the extra few quid for him, he has a ratio of just over a goal every other game for Real and there is not a striker in world football that you could say is more dangerous in the box than Higuain. The worry with Suarez (although he is a top player and would no doubt be a great signing for us) is that 2 or 3 years down the line he may be eyeing a move to Madrid whereas Higuain would more than likely have no problem seeing out his contract and even staying on after that.

Soups123 · 24-07-2013 12:34PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I don't think that is too much of an inflated price personally, maybe 3 or 4 million over his real valuation but in my opinion we should just pay the extra few quid for him, he has a ratio of just over a goal every other game for Real and there is not a striker in world football that you could say is more dangerous in the box than Higuain. The worry with Suarez (although he is a top player and would no doubt be a great signing for us) is that 2 or 3 years down the line he may be eyeing a move to Madrid whereas Higuain would more than likely have no problem seeing out his contract and even staying on after that.

From what I have seem on him £30m seems okay as a price, what I am not sure about is why there is so little interest him from any of the big clubs? I'm not a scout so maybe there is an abvious reason Madrid dont want him and only Napoli are willing to pay with us being the only other club interested.

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 12:34PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I don't think that is too much of an inflated price personally, maybe 3 or 4 million over his real valuation but in my opinion we should just pay the extra few quid for him, he has a ratio of just over a goal every other game for Real and there is not a striker in world football that you could say is more dangerous in the box than Higuain. The worry with Suarez (although he is a top player and would no doubt be a great signing for us) is that 2 or 3 years down the line he may be eyeing a move to Madrid whereas Higuain would more than likely have no problem seeing out his contract and even staying on after that.

Worry about that 2 years down the line then, a 28 year old would still have resale value.

Arsenal need to make a big signing to change the paradigm.

Drexel · 24-07-2013 12:34PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I don't think that is too much of an inflated price personally, maybe 3 or 4 million over his real valuation but in my opinion we should just pay the extra few quid for him, he has a ratio of just over a goal every other game for Real and there is not a striker in world football that you could say is more dangerous in the box than Higuain. The worry with Suarez (although he is a top player and would no doubt be a great signing for us) is that 2 or 3 years down the line he may be eyeing a move to Madrid whereas Higuain would more than likely have no problem seeing out his contract and even staying on after that.

We will be premier and Champions league winners by then. Why would he want to leave!

gosplan · 24-07-2013 12:37PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I don't think that is too much of an inflated price personally, maybe 3 or 4 million over his real valuation but in my opinion we should just pay the extra few quid for him, he has a ratio of just over a goal every other game for Real and there is not a striker in world football that you could say is more dangerous in the box than Higuain. The worry with Suarez (although he is a top player and would no doubt be a great signing for us) is that 2 or 3 years down the line he may be eyeing a move to Madrid whereas Higuain would more than likely have no problem seeing out his contract and even staying on after that.

I think if Wenger's offering 20+ million for players like Bernard and Bender and 40+ million for Suarez, then he clearly had big reservations about upping the fee for Higuain.

You have to trust the guy when it comes to judging a player.

farna_boy · 24-07-2013 12:41PM

AdamD wrote: »

The real problem is I can't think of many others worth going for. If Higuain goes surely Benzema stays?
After that:
El Shawaaray - Expensive and not sure if he'd go
Jackson Martinez - We'd get him but would Porto try to fleece us?
Remy - Not much of an improvement + rape charge
Osvaldo - Know nothing about him but we were linked yesterday, his goal record looks above average at best.
Adrian Lopez - Linked with him last year but his goal record is horrid
Yilmaz - Seems popular in the Liverpool thread, never been linked.

If we don't get Suarez or Higuain I'd rather we went for a top LW and a DM, leaving Walcott and Podolski to deputise Giroud. Doesn't sound amazing but Giroud should score more next year and a top LW, Cazorla and Walcott should chip in with plenty of goals behind him.

What about Thomas Muller? A front three of Poldi, Giroud and Muller sounds nice, with Walcott pushing each of them.

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 12:43PM

farna_boy wrote: »

What about Thomas Muller? A front three of Poldi, Giroud and Muller sounds nice, with Walcott pushing each of them.

Even more unlikely than Lewa tbh!

Think we probably need to be shopping in Italy this summer.

gosplan · 24-07-2013 12:43PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Worry about that 2 years down the line then, a 28 year old would still have resale value.

Arsenal need to make a big signing to change the paradigm.

Agree. IMO, Suarez wouldn't be long term future but would stay for 2-3 years, and hopefully make us far more competitive so players like Mata, Hazard and Silva might end up with us instead of City/Chelsea.

cson · 24-07-2013 12:44PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Taking Suarez out of the equation for a bit. Ifyou guys do not get him, and Higuain goes to Napoli and Soldado went elsewhere, who would the Arsenal supporters on here like to see Wenger go after?

What about the likes of Benzema?

He'll still get the season for me, but really AW leaves himself in a very difficult place if we're still scrapping for 4th this coming season and nothing comes off in the transfer window for him.

Real wouldn't countenance selling Benzema I'm afraid. Definitely think we should be pushing harder for Higuain but if Real are acting the ****e fee wise there then there's not a lot you can do. We've a big stack of chips but no one to play poker with at the moment.

24-07-2013 12:54PM

So who's this Suarez fella anyway?

Any use?

:pac:

Kess73 · 24-07-2013 12:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So who's this Suarez fella anyway?

Any use?

:pac:

Plays for Anderlecht

jester77 · 24-07-2013 12:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So who's this Suarez fella anyway?

Any use?

:pac:

He's not bad, there's a bit of bite to him

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 12:57PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Plays for Anderlecht

Jesus, I remember when we were being linked heavily with that guy. Sad days.

gosplan · 24-07-2013 12:57PM

cson wrote: »

He'll still get the season for me, but really AW leaves himself in a very difficult place if we're still scrapping for 4th this coming season and nothing comes off in the transfer window for him.

Real wouldn't countenance selling Benzema I'm afraid. Definitely think we should be pushing harder for Higuain but if Real are acting the ****e fee wise there then there's not a lot you can do. We've a big stack of chips but no one to play poker with at the moment.

We've a big stack but we're not an oil club.

This isn't like Chelsea's initial splurge where we can just throw money all over the place and get Johnson, Mutu, Duff, Parker, Geremi, Crespo, Bridge and so on.

Arsenal still need this to work out and we can't have transfer targets just for the sake of having transfer targets.

It could be that we don't get the star names this year but say if Bender moves next season we're there to remind him we were interested all along.

ronjo · 24-07-2013 01:07PM

Reading the Liverpool thread on their match now it sounds like Suarez really isnt interested in being there.

A transfer request could be next step.

Kess73 · 24-07-2013 01:09PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Jesus, I remember when we were being linked heavily with that guy. Sad days.

And funnily enough Liverpool were linked with him as well

Pepe LeFrits · 24-07-2013 01:13PM

Just thinking, it'd be tragically amusing if Liverpool deciding to hold onto Suarez at all costs resulted in us finishing 5th, but with Spurs finishing third and Moyes scraping 4th with United...

Leiva · 24-07-2013 01:16PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Just thinking, it'd be tragically amusing if Liverpool deciding to hold onto Suarez at all costs resulted in us finishing 5th, but with Spurs finishing third and Moyes scraping 4th with United...

So you'd be happy with 6th then?

24-07-2013 01:17PM

I don't understand how that could be amusing????

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