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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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  • #422
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    jonneymendoza wrote: »
    Give RM 40m for Higuin instead

    Been saying that for weeks now just pay it up and sign him.


  • #423
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Been saying that for weeks now just pay it up and sign him.

    That ship has sailed and I'm pleased we dropped interest when Madrid started playing silly buggers


  • #424
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    greendom wrote: »
    That ship has sailed and I'm pleased we dropped interest when Madrid started playing silly buggers

    It was a dick move but masterful from Real. Now they've got a much bigger price for Higuain and can probably afford a big offer for Suarez.


  • #425
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    jester77 wrote: »
    I wouldn't pay much attention to him, remember this is the club that valued Andy Carroll at 35 million. They don't get the concept of what things are worth over there.


    This is true and that was a massive waste of money, but then again Liverpool is also the club that got £50m the last time a star forward was sold, and are under no pressure to sell another star forward cheaper just because it suits some other club.


  • #426
    Fuzzy_Dunlop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,503 ✭✭✭Fuzzy_Dunlop


    TheGunns wrote: »
    He has very little reason not to wait since he's banned for the first 6 games, I think it could drag to the end of the window.

    Best case would be Madrid buying Bale and then Suarez is left with one option

    It's not really in Liverpool's interest to let it drag too long because they'll have to have some time to get a replacement. We know that from experience.


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  • #427
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Can't believe the delusion of some Liverpool fans considering Suarez to Arsenal a "sideways" move. We're a consistent CL side and finished 12 pts ahead of them last season.

    Liverpool finished 12 pts ahead of West Brom, so using their logic, I'm sure Liverpool fans would have no problem if I suggested a player moving from West Brom to Liverpool would be a "sideways" move too, right? Of course not, history, YNWA, blah blah blah.


  • #428
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    For the accounting lads in here :pac:

    Arsenal made €31mil or 32 from last seasons CL, I can't mind if you included it in your reports

    It's on arseblog. I'm on the phone couldn't be bothered linking it

    Tottenham made about €6mil in the EL
    A season in it is what we need - remember that :pac: :pac: :pac:


  • #429
    mike65
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Can't believe the delusion of some Liverpool fans considering Suarez to Arsenal a "sideways" move. We're a consistent CL side and finished 12 pts ahead of them last season.

    Liverpool finished 12 pts ahead of West Brom, so using their logic, I'm sure Liverpool fans would have no problem if I suggested a player moving from West Brom to Liverpool would be a "sideways" move too, right? Of course not, history, YNWA, blah blah blah.


    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.


  • #430
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    greendom wrote: »
    That ship has sailed and I'm pleased we dropped interest when Madrid started playing silly buggers

    Well at least your pleased that's something, but I would rather higuan starting up front against villa to be honest!


  • #431
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    gosplan wrote: »
    Positives:

    Being encouraged by Suarez agent

    Not that far off Liverpool's valuation

    Liverpool have to sell him

    Liverpool will probably have to reinvest the cash so might need to get it wrapped up in next fortnight or so

    No other clubs in so far

    Negatives:
    Real might be interested


    Would say that the bid is quite a bit off the valuation to be honest, especially that for a team in the same league.

    And Liverpool don't have to sell. Suarez signed a contract extension last season, so has three years left on his contract. If he refuses to hand in a transfer request and no club meets Liverpool's valuation then he stays.

    A lot will depend on what motivates the player too. If wages are the main motivation then Arsenal will notbe able to offer anything Liverpool cannot. If playing in the CL in the coming season is the motivation then Arsenal have that. if winning silverware is the motivation, then it could be argued that liverpool and Arsenal both have the domestic cups as their best chance of silverware.

    To be honest if silverware and a chance to win the CL do turn out to be the motivation, the player would be best served to avoid Arsenal altogether and leave Liverpool in favour of Real (assuming Real have a genuine interest)


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  • #432
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,533 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    mike65 wrote: »
    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.

    That old chestnut it's getting as tiring as the notion that l'pool are the high status club of the 80's

    Arguably not even on top in mersyside


  • #433
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,831 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    mike65 wrote: »
    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.

    Well, outside of us, Real are the only ones who I think will make a bid and I actually believe he'll be a Real player very soon. Arsenal would be a less ambitious move but my point is that it's still an upgrade, not a major upgrade, rather than a sideways move. Don't get me started on the 8 trophy-less years, I have a bigger problem with the 'Wenger Knows Best' lot than most.


  • #434
    mike65
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    batistuta9 wrote: »
    That old chestnut it's getting as tiring as the notion that l'pool are the high status club of the 80's

    Arguably not even on top in Merseyside

    Its chestnut that's getting older by the year. And Liverpool were the "high status" club (quaint phrase) of the 80s.


  • #435
    Fuzzy_Dunlop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,503 ✭✭✭Fuzzy_Dunlop


    mike65 wrote: »
    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.

    @Kess73

    ^^ This is what I was referring to last night.


  • #436
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Arsenal don't win anything so if Suarez was to there it would be for money


  • #437
    Pepe LeFrits
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    Arsenal also don't bid £40m on players!


  • #438
    Kess73
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Can't believe the delusion of some Liverpool fans considering Suarez to Arsenal a "sideways" move. We're a consistent CL side and finished 12 pts ahead of them last season.

    Liverpool finished 12 pts ahead of West Brom, so using their logic, I'm sure Liverpool fans would have no problem if I suggested a player moving from West Brom to Liverpool would be a "sideways" move too, right? Of course not, history, YNWA, blah blah blah.



    Arsenal would certainly not be a sideways move at present. But it would not be as big a jump up as a number of other clubs would be.

    The main advantage, and it is a very valid one, Arsenal have over Liverpool in terms of attraction (imo of course) is that Arsenal are a settled CL team who qualify for that competition season after season.

    But domestically and in terms of wages there is no such gap really. In terms of wages Arsenal are not going to blow Liverpool out of the water, and in terms of giving a player a chance of winning domestic silverware Arsenal don't look any more a sure thing than Liverpool.

    So Arsenal would be a genuine step up at present imho, but only because of the fact they would allow a player to play in the CL.


  • #439
    Kess73
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    MD1990 wrote: »
    Arsenal don't win anything so if Suarez was to there it would be for money


    Would be a bit churlish though to suggest that a player would not have a chance at silverware at Arsenal. Yes they have not won anything since the FA cup in 2005, but they do have a team/squad that will be in contention for the same domestic cups as Liverpool, and they do come with a chance ( and it is a small chance in my eyes but a chance nonetheless) of competing for the league title and the CL.

    The "Arsenal win nothing" jibe carries very little weight with me for as long as the team I support is floundering around in the upper midtable positions. If Liverpool had matched Arsenal by getting a CL slot on a regular basis over the past few seasons, then Arsenal's lack of silverware becomes a reason to see Arsenal as a sideways step at best but we all know which club has stayed in the top four and which one fell away for the past four seasons.


  • #440
    blag
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    Interesting read on Arseblog today, and I have to say I agree with a lot of what he had to say.

    I don't really feel comfortable with the idea of Arsenal paying the reported amount of money for Suarez when it all seems so risky in terms of his character and temperament.

    There'll be no guarantees that he wont repeat his horrendous behaviour if he does join us and I'd have felt a lot more comfortable and excited if the club had just stumped up the cash and bough Higuain :mad:


  • #441
    Pepe LeFrits
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10104970/Arsenals-new-financial-muscle-will-rival-that-of-Manchester-United.html


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  • #442
    Kess73
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    mike65 wrote: »
    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.



    The thing is, Mike, that supporters of other teams could say similar things about the team you and I support.

    4 years and counting since Liverpool qualified for the cl.

    23 years and counting since a league title.

    Plus if you are going to ask Arsenal fans for their predictions on what silveware their club is going to win, maybe you should offer your own prediction on what Liverpool will win this coming season.


  • #443
    .jacksparrow.
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    blag wrote: »
    Interesting read on Arseblog today, and I have to say I agree with a lot of what he had to say.

    I don't really feel comfortable with the idea of Arsenal paying the reported amount of money for Suarez when it all seems so risky in terms of his character and temperament.

    There'll be no guarantees that he wont repeat his horrendous behaviour if he does join us and I'd have felt a lot more comfortable and excited if the club had just stumped up the cash and bough Higuain :mad:
    Exactly as I have been saying if hig will improve the team then just pay the money, but some people are happy to see the money sitting in the bank.


  • #444
    Awesomeness
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    Kess73 wrote: »
    Would be a bit churlish though to suggest that a player would not have a chance at silverware at Arsenal. Yes they have not won anything since the FA cup in 2005, but they do have a team/squad that will be in contention for the same domestic cups as Liverpool, and they do come with a chance ( and it is a small chance in my eyes but a chance nonetheless) of competing for the league title and the CL.

    The "Arsenal win nothing" jibe carries very little weight with me for as long as the team I support is floundering around in the upper midtable positions. If Liverpool had matched Arsenal by getting a CL slot on a regular basis over the past few seasons, then Arsenal's lack of silverware becomes a reason to see Arsenal as a sideways step at best but we all know which club has stayed in the top four and which one fell away for the past four seasons.
    Man united showed last year what signing one genuinely world class striker can do to a team. Arsenal improved as a team a lot as the year progressed and if they did add suarez plus 1 or to other good players I definitely see them challenging for the title this year.

    They may not win but they should definitely be up there challenging


  • #445
    greendom
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Exactly as I have been saying if hig will improve the team then just pay the money, but some people are happy to see the money sitting in the bank.

    Not at all. I just think that if we'd let RM move the goal posts so much any future transfer would become a nightmare with the selling club thinking we were push overs. I'm still confident that the bank will be looking a lot more empty shortly and the team will have quality additions on the pitch


  • #446
    gosplan
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    mike65 wrote: »
    The main point is that moving to Arsenal is clearly less ambitious a move than Real Madrid/Bayern etc, are you going to make any predictions about what trophys Arsenal will win this season or even next season? 8 years and counting.

    No it's not.

    Sideways move implies that moving to Arsenal shows no more ambition than staying at Liverpool.

    That's what I take from it anyway and we're respectfully suggesting that this is incorrect.

    Obviously a striker would rather be at Real or Bayern.


  • #447
    gosplan
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    MD1990 wrote: »
    Arsenal don't win anything so if Suarez was to there it would be for money

    You don't think Suarez is good enough to take Arsensl to the next level?


  • #448
    Soups123
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    greendom wrote: »
    Not at all. I just think that if we'd let RM move the goal posts so much any future transfer would become a nightmare with the selling club thinking we were push overs. I'm still confident that the bank will be looking a lot more empty shortly and the team will have quality additions on the pitch

    I don't think this should be a deciding factor in whether we sign him or not, the club should decide what they feel he is worth. If he is worth 40m pay it if he is not dont, the messing around in the middle shouldnt stop us.

    I think the market is so unvalued at the minute with all the money floating around (I read Southampton where looking to buy someone for £18m) that selling clubs are struggling to identify what they can get and buying clubs what they should pay


  • #449
    TheBza
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    I just might be paro, but is anybody else skeptical about this suarez situation, as in Arsenal know we don't have a hope in signing Suarez and are going to come out and say we tried blah blah blah and sign nobody. Seems a big fishy this hole scenario.


  • #450
    Soups123
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    TheBza wrote: »
    I just might be paro, but is anybody else skeptical about this suarez situation, as in Arsenal know we don't have a hope in signing Suarez and are going to come out and say we tried blah blah blah and sign nobody. Seems a big fishy this hole scenario.

    Its possible, but in fairness they arent confirming any of these bids themselves. I think they do want to buy high end my concern is we have little experience over 15m.

    I do think we will see one big signing


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  • #451
    Kess73
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    Awesomeness wrote: »
    Man united showed last year what signing one genuinely world class striker can do to a team. Arsenal improved as a team a lot as the year progressed and if they did add suarez plus 1 or to other good players I definitely see them challenging for the title this year.

    They may not win but they should definitely be up there challenging

    My reason for saying that Arsenal would have a small chance (even if they got Suarez) is down to the fact I think Chelsea, City, and Man U have far stronger squads. Now granted all three have new managers in, but whilst Arsenal might leapfrog one of those teams in the table come the end of the coming season, I really would not fancy their chances of finishing ahead of all three.

    As for RVP moving to Man U. Well he was a top class player moving to the team that came second only on goal difference. Plus Man U finished last season on the exact same number of points as they did in the season without RVP. Suarez moving to Arsenal would not really be comparable as he would not be joining as strong a team as RVP did.

    But then again having a small chance of winning the title still means a team has a shot at it, and I would be delighted if I was going into this season thinking my team had even a slim chance of winning the league rather than feeling my team has no title chance even before a ball is kicked.


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