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Online porn block for England

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  • #62
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    BurnsCarpenter wrote: »
    It's not nice that people should have to opt in for porn, but it's the lesser of two evils in my opinion.
    I can see it already; Daily Mail Shocker - list of every perv in England released online!!!

    What will the list be used for, and who apart from the ISP will have access to it? What sectors will have access to it to ensure that none of their employees are on the list?


  • #63
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    BurnsCarpenter wrote: »
    That seems reasonable enough, but what about the parents who can't be arsed, or who are just clueless. Their children are just a few clicks away from the most depraved filth you can imagine.

    Not only that, but the children of good, responsible parents, who happen to be friends with these kids, will also have access to it.

    When I was a young fella, this was a glimpse of the Mayfair magazines belonging to my friend's father. Those would be like Jane Austen novels compared to the stuff that is accessible today.

    It's not nice that people should have to opt in for porn, but it's the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

    This bill to force ISP's to do the blocking won't change anything though. The kids will still be able to access whatever they want. The parents will be under the illusion that they can't access it and then they will scream about their precious little kid being corrupted by the evil ISP who was supposed to be looking after their kid on the internet because they couldn't be bothered to do it themselves.


  • #64
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    What about mobile phones? Will that be under the same net?

    Most teenagers have smartphones now and, shock horror, they have internet!


  • #65
    BurnsCarpenter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    robinph wrote: »
    This bill to force ISP's to do the blocking won't change anything though. The kids will still be able to access whatever they want. The parents will be under the illusion that they can't access it and then they will scream about their precious little kid being corrupted by the evil ISP who was supposed to be looking after their kid on the internet because they couldn't be bothered to do it themselves.

    er, my point was that even parents could be responsible but their kids will still be exposed to it, through friends. There will always be useless parents.

    So, the idea is that people make a small sacrifice by having to opt in(click a button and enter a password I presume) for the greater good of society.

    I know some kids will find a way around it but surely it will have some effect.

    Do you have any concerns about how freely available this stuff is?


  • #66
    BurnsCarpenter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    Caliden wrote: »
    What about mobile phones? Will that be under the same net?

    Most teenagers have smartphones now and, shock horror, they have internet!

    I guess it would be the same situation. The mobile providers would also be ISPs so they would also have the opt-in system.


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  • #67
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Just England, so it doesn't apply to Her Majesty's fappers in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland then ?

    Not so bad.


  • #68
    EyeSight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭EyeSight


    when i got my iPhone connected to 3G i had to go into their store and ask that they not block some sites. They automatically do it for pre-pay phones(not just porn) and you have to go in and show them you're over 18. I remember they blocked some random non-explicit sites such as Facebook. This was about 2-3 years ago


  • #69
    snausages
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    The whole 'opting in' to have your digital smut delivered to you seems a bit backward, but I don't know if I'm totally opposed to this kind of thing. The way we consume porn now is so different. Our brains aren't sufficiently evolved for the sheer mass of stuff that's out there. It's a lot more harmful than people think, especially for kids. It's not the same as rubbing out a sly one to a ****ty French softcore flick on TG4 at 3 in the morning (ah, memories)


  • #70
    Professional Griefer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Professional Griefer


    Sure then they can use Tor to get around it, and possibly find much more nasty stuff.


  • #71
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    Do you have any concerns about how freely available this stuff is?

    Can I ask what your concerns are?


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  • #72
    Roar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Roar


    All this talk of "opt in for porn" reminds me of a drunk Alan Partridge phoning recption of the Linton Travel Tavern saying "can you make pornography come on my telly please?"


  • #73
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    BurnsCarpenter wrote: »
    Do you have any concerns about how freely available this stuff is?

    Nope.

    But I've not gone looking for it, and contrary to what the likes of the Daily Mail would have us believe, the internet does not force you to see it every time you go online.


  • #74
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    It sounds like a complicated solution for lazy parents who don't want to install a web filter on their computer or even monitor their child's internet usage.

    Simply get the government to do all the work for you.


  • #75
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,089 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Lapin wrote: »
    Just England, so it doesn't apply to Her Majesty's fappers in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland then ?

    Not so bad.

    Wouldn't take much too read the first two lines Lapin :p
    Every household in the UK is to have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron is to announce.

    In addition, Mr Cameron will say possessing online pornography depicting rape will be illegal, bringing England and Wales in line with Scotland.


  • #76
    smellslikeshoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Most 12-13 year olds are more net savy than their parents, if the UK government think that blocking porn is going to stop kids watching they are hilariously naive.


  • #77
    MonaPizza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    There's more to this than meets the eye.
    It has been the goal of the US administration to control and censor the internet for years now what with their quest for what they call "Full Spectrum Dominance". The UK is falling into line as well. These restrictions are always ALWAYS test balloons. They are tried as a first step. It's always a case of getting people to argue with each other the "fors and againsts" and that's usually a case of "if you oppose this then you're soft on paedos".

    The government wants people to opt IN that way they can more easily be tagged. Next will be some excuse where all political blogs and sites are blocked because of sectarian/racial violence. Those who wish to opt in are showing themselves to be far more politically minded than those who have access but choose not to opt out.


  • #78
    ch750536
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    This is about kids stumbling across it. I have a good system here, 99% safe. I let the kids (9 & 7) search the web, no problems yet. They can use the internet for safe surfing & education. If they want to look for it that is a different issue.
    My kids wont be forced to look at porn when they are reading about 'where weather comes from'.


  • #79
    BurnsCarpenter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    GalwayGuy2 wrote: »
    Can I ask what your concerns are?

    Well I'm sure most people are uncomfortable with young children viewing hardcore porn.

    I don't know what the long term effects of this will be. I'm sure the vast majority of kids will grow up with a perfectly healthy attitude to sex but it's also possible that some children could develop warped ideas about what is normal.


  • #80
    BurnsCarpenter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭BurnsCarpenter


    MonaPizza wrote: »
    There's more to this than meets the eye.
    It has been the goal of the US administration to control and censor the internet for years now what with their quest for what they call "Full Spectrum Dominance". The UK is falling into line as well. These restrictions are always ALWAYS test balloons. They are tried as a first step. It's always a case of getting people to argue with each other the "fors and againsts" and that's usually a case of "if you oppose this then you're soft on paedos".

    The government wants people to opt IN that way they can more easily be tagged. Next will be some excuse where all political blogs and sites are blocked because of sectarian/racial violence. Those who wish to opt in are showing themselves to be far more politically minded than those who have access but choose not to opt out.

    Suddenly it all makes sense!


  • #81
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,888 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They should bring back AOL
    Them was the days

    Ban billionaires



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  • #82
    old_nick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15 ✭old_nick


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Google do block child porn. I know someone whos job was to go through search results for bing and if it was child porn they were to report it so it could be blocked.

    The internet is far larger than people realise, what we see is a tiny fraction and anyone who thinks it can be fully controlled has no idea what they are talking about. Unless we have to have any websites we want to see pre approved by a person working for the ISP you cant stop stuff slipping through.


    if they block it , how come most of the free porn sites have kiddie stuff slipped in amongst the general material

    im talking redtube , xvideo , 4tube , xhamster

    anywhere you have free material , you have less regulation and security


  • #83
    Blisterman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    It sets a very dangerous precedent in my opinion.

    First it'll be porn. Then it'll be "extremist websites" i.e. Stormfront, BNP. Then we can look forward to the definition of extremist websites becoming ever increasingly broad, just as it has done for incitement to hatred laws.

    I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but I've been to China and I've seen how it works there. All under the guise of protecting people.


  • #84
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    This is a great move that will improve the Irish economy.

    We'll have people flying over here just to watch porn.


  • #85
    who the fug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    old_nick wrote: »
    if they block it , how come most of the free porn sites have kiddie stuff slipped in amongst the general material

    im talking redtube , xvideo , 4tube , xhamster

    anywhere you have free material , you have less regulation and security

    Did you report any of that kiddie stuff you came across?


  • #86
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I see nothing wrong with it because it isn't censorship, it is just filtering out the porn by the ISP's, children should not be exposed to porn and for those adults who want it then it is simple to have the block lifted.


  • #87
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    old_nick wrote: »
    if they block it , how come most of the free porn sites have kiddie stuff slipped in amongst the general material

    im talking redtube , xvideo , 4tube , xhamster

    anywhere you have free material , you have less regulation and security

    I'll humour you for awhile.

    Thats the first time I have heard of that. Any links?

    Just read that and it sounds bad. What I meant is link to a source that has done some research into this, not link to videos.


  • #88
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong with it because it isn't censorship, it is just filtering out the porn by the ISP's, children should not be exposed to porn and for those adults who want it then it is simple to have the block lifted.

    How are children currently being exposed to porn?

    It's only there if you go looking for it. Young children are not going to go looking. Teenagers will have already found it if they can be bothered. This isn't protecting anyone from anything, but is giving the ISP's an impossible job which they will get blamed for because it will fail.


  • #89
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Blisterman wrote: »
    It sets a very dangerous precedent in my opinion.

    First it'll be porn. Then it'll be "extremist websites" i.e. Stormfront, BNP. Then we can look forward to the definition of extremist websites becoming ever increasingly broad, just as it has done for incitement to hatred laws.

    I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but I've been to China and I've seen how it works there. All under the guise of protecting people.

    This is my fear also. And such a situation is far worse than teenagers seeing some porn.

    Censorship like this is never a good idea. By all means track down people who are uploading/accessing/refusing to remove this material if it's illegal, but widespread filtering is an awful, awful solution.


  • #90
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    old_nick wrote: »
    if they block it , how come most of the free porn sites have kiddie stuff slipped in amongst the general material

    im talking redtube , xvideo , 4tube , xhamster

    anywhere you have free material , you have less regulation and security

    It's user submitted, so relies on users to also report it. You know that kind of craic happens on Twitter as well?


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  • #91
    old_nick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15 ✭old_nick


    who the fug wrote: »
    Did you report any of that kiddie stuff you came across?


    nice try

    I did no such thing as click but windows are there for all to see amongst the general adult material on most of the free sites

    type in jenna jameson on xhamster etc and lumped in there amongst the expectant stuff is something altogether different

    sure your bombarded with pop up windows on all those sites and its never ever of well known porn stars


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