Which Party do you definately not want to see in the next Government?

AllthingsCP · 22-07-2013 01:29AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

You know that they helped set up the provos, armed them and had the souths army train them?

More information please, Are you relating to the 1920-1950 or 1950-disarmament. Interested is all

tomtucker81 · 22-07-2013 01:31AM

Dónal wrote: »

Splitters

Are they not the popular front?!!

Iwasfrozen · 22-07-2013 01:35AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

You know that they helped set up the provos, armed them and had the souths army train them?

Current generation. If Sinn Fein were to purge the terrorist elements (Martin McGuiness, Gerry Kelly etc.) from their ranks I wouldn't hold their past against them either but as things are I just can't support them.

Iwasfrozen · 22-07-2013 01:39AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

That's a very fair and valid point, I wouldn't like to see them in power personally, but they will do well in the next elections, I myself would have been affected by the college grants-household charge debacle, Sinn Fein were the first to be on that, I felt that stage that they were the only party in the country looking out for young people like myself trying to educate themselves and better themselves.

I know how you feel and I'm the exact same, a young person trying to educate and better myself but SF are not the answer. FF bankrupted the nation but SF's socialist policies would destroy any chance of recovery.

If we give terrorists power this country loses any sort of morality or self respect it may still have.

Bigdeadlydave · 22-07-2013 01:45AM

AllthingsCP wrote: »

More information please, Are you relating to the 1920-1950 or 1950-disarmament. Interested is all

I'm referring to the setting up of the provisional IRA, in return for concentrating on the north and leaving the south alone, and to break apart the IRA into the provos and Officials FF gave the militarists who became the provos, weapons ( a number of TDs gave their privately held weapons as well as the shipments) money and army training in a base in Donegal I believe it was

Grab All Association · 22-07-2013 01:57AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I'm referring to the setting up of the provisional IRA, in return for concentrating on the north and leaving the south alone, and to break apart the IRA into the provos and Officials FF gave the militarists who became the provos, weapons ( a number of TDs gave their privately held weapons as well as the shipments) money and army training in a base in Donegal I believe it was

Charles Haughey and a few other high profile TD's were kicked out of the Fianna Fáil over it.

Bigdeadlydave · 22-07-2013 01:58AM

Chris___ wrote: »

Charles Haughey and a few other high profile TD's were kicked out of the Fianna Fáil over it.

No they were not

meoklmrk91 · 22-07-2013 02:00AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I know how you feel and I'm the exact same, a young person trying to educate and better myself but SF are not the answer. FF bankrupted the nation but SF's socialist policies would destroy any chance of recovery.

If we give terrorists power this country loses any sort of morality or self respect it may still have.

And I can assure you I will not be voting for them, while I agree with some of their policies I could never morally vote for a party that is fundamentally the polical wing of the Provisonal IRA. But then I wonder who I am supposed to vote for in the next election?

FF, not a chance, FG pretty much the same, Labour I have lost all respect for, the Greens lol, the independants, Jackie Healy Rae, Ming Flanagan and Mick Wallace! I will most likely vote independant though, as the only other option seems to be not voting at all.

Iwasfrozen · 22-07-2013 02:07AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

And I can assure you I will not be voting for them, while I agree with some of their policies I could never morally vote for a party that is fundamentally the polical wing of the Provisonal IRA. But then I wonder who I am supposed to vote for in the next election?

FF, not a chance, FG pretty much the same, Labour I have lost all respect for, the Greens lol, the independants, Jackie Healy Rae, Ming Flanagan and Mick Wallace! I will most likely vote independant though, as the only other option seems to be not voting at all.

I feel the exact same, there is no credible alternative out there and the tragedy is SF are going to benefit from protest votes.

Bigdeadlydave · 22-07-2013 02:08AM

The reaction of the hysterics will be a great laugh when SF inevitably end up in govt

Iwasfrozen · 22-07-2013 02:17AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

The reaction of the hysterics will be a great laugh when SF inevitably end up in govt

We'll have the last laugh. PDs, Greens, Labour, this country is not kind to junior coalition members.

mathepac · 22-07-2013 02:19AM

Ming the Mindless and his fellow travellers.

kumate_champ07 · 22-07-2013 02:29AM

dirtyden wrote: »

Sinn Fein above all the others. If Adams ever got anywhere near power I would organise a coup.

some sort of republican militant party?

JillyQ · 22-07-2013 02:32AM

Sinn fein

policarp · 22-07-2013 03:03AM

JillyQ wrote: »

Sinn fein

Why not?
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael were Sinn Fein once. . .

Corvo Attano · 22-07-2013 03:19AM

If it came down to the two I'd give SF power over FF.

I cannot see how so many people would let them back so quickly. How they forget that the austerity of this government was brought on by the last. Never ****in happy. What did they expect from FG and Labour? Streets paved with gold?

If Fianna Fail get back into power by the time im out of college then I am leaving and when we see another crash and another wave of emigrants I'll laugh because history is doomed to repeat itself if people do not learn their lesson the first time.

Cavehill Red · 22-07-2013 05:24AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Honest to God if I was forced to choose between FF and SF I would choose FF every time. Don't get me wrong FF are corrupt idiot parish pump gombeens who couldn't run an economy to save their lives (or more importantly their pensions) but at least there are no terrorist murderers among the ilk of FF.

As a card-carrying member of the SDLP, who has opposed SF for decades, I'll simply say that if you can't clearly see which of FF and SF has consistently done the most damage to this nation, then you're too innocent to live.

Cavehill Red · 22-07-2013 05:26AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

The reaction of the hysterics will be a great laugh when SF inevitably end up in govt

If the DUP could stomach it, then so can the delicate nose grippers of the 26 counties.

Legs.Eleven · 22-07-2013 07:47AM

Fianna and Fail and Sinn Fein. I really can't choose.

I've no idea who I would vote for if I could. Voted Labour and Independents last time but I'm very disappointed with them now. I still believe they're best out of a bad lot though.

Toby Take a Bow · 22-07-2013 08:34AM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I despise all of them and what they stand for, but the worst of them has got to be Sinn Fein with the socialist party making a close second. They all only act in the interest of self preservation and not in the interest of the people.

I get what you mean about SF here as a lot of their policies and ideologies over the years have changed depending on who's in charge/what the current populist feeling is. But surely the SP's remit is to act in the interests of the people? Most of their policies stick to their ideological bent (and is one of the reasons I would be surprised if they ever got a whiff of government).

Tiddlypeeps · 22-07-2013 09:00AM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

I get what you mean about SF here as a lot of their policies and ideologies over the years have changed depending on who's in charge/what the current populist feeling is. But surely the SP's remit is to act in the interests of the people? Most of their policies stick to their ideological bent (and is one of the reasons I would be surprised if they ever got a whiff of government).

Sorry I worded that badly, the self preservation comment was referring to all of the parties. They all say what the think the people want to hear.

When FG got into government they started to sound a lot like FF did pre-election. The same with FF, all of a sudden they sounded just like FG did when they were in opposition. All of a sudden FF are against these policies they put in place, and FG are all of a sudden ok with them despite how strongly they opposed them.

The next election will change nothing, it will just be the same again

Sunnyisland · 22-07-2013 09:17AM

Fianna fail, Would love to see them getting wiped out at the next General election,but that wont happen.

Have lost most of my intrest in the politicians and there parties in Ireland a long time ago,Even the one,s I had some hope for have let us/me down.

Slightly indifferent to it all now its all a game.

Viper_JB · 22-07-2013 09:26AM

Fine Gael have just proven themselves to be a slightly more gaunt looking version of Fianna Fail, who no doubt will be elected again as we appear to have the memory of gold fish - think I may go independent next time.

keeponhurling · 22-07-2013 10:28AM

I'd never vote for Fianna Fail. After all the corruption, I'd be sickened to see them back in government.

I see most people on the thread have chosen Sinn Fein.
For the reason of their involvement in the Troubles etc. I think it's undrstandbale some couldn't bring themselves to vote for them.

For those mentioning SF policies, which ones? And are they worse policies than those of FF, FG, Labour etc. ?

JillyQ · 22-07-2013 10:33AM

policarp wrote: »

Why not?
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael were Sinn Fein once. . .

They are to socialist for my liking. I dont think they would do us much good in terms if attracting in forgein direct investment into ireland. Which we badly need at the moment.

The J Stands for Jay · 22-07-2013 10:35AM

Political parties

magicman88 · 22-07-2013 10:35AM

house party

Sleepy · 22-07-2013 10:39AM

While I'd never vote for Fianna Fail, if they were to go in as a junior partner with Fine Gael as the majority partner of a centrist government, I think I could handle that: particularly if it led to an eventual merging of the parties.

Sinn Fein or any of the ULA crowd would sicken me.

oldyouth · 22-07-2013 10:41AM

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

I think you've missed the boat, they've been in power in part of Ireland for quite a while now

Not in the part that is of interest to the majority of people

donegal_road · 22-07-2013 10:56AM

johnr1 wrote: »

Labour, - won't happen anyway, they'll be anihillated hopefully as they sold out their electorate.

ULA, I'm fcuking emigrating if they ever get in.

The Shinners, - ok up north, but down here they represent scum who get too much of my earnings already.

Anyone else.

at least they wouldnt be handing billions of our earnings over to scum Anglo unsecured bondholders, which we will be paying for, for the next 18 years approx

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Which Party do you definately not want to see in the next Government?

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