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Supreme Court orders Garda murderer be given remission.

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  • #62
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    ImDave wrote: »
    The interesting thing from what I know of this case, is that he was sentenced to murder but was a passenger in the car/accomplice to an earlier crime. He didn't supply the weapon or pull the trigger. I didn't know one could be sentenced to murder in such a situation.

    The rule of common enterprise, if two or more people set out to commit a felony and as a result of that felony someone is murdered then all of the active participants are guilty of the murder AFAIK.


  • #63
    martinedwards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭martinedwards


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Gardai and RUC are not comparable. The RUC were combatants in a war. They were a corrupt organisation that acted as the armed wing of a bigoted unionist state and colluded with loyalist death squads. They made themselves targets.

    that is a spectacularly bigoted statement. well done.

    Prisoners were released as part of a political settlement..
    very true, but the families of the innocent victims felt just the same as the families of the RUC and Army vicitms, which is just the same as this Guard's family feel
    Completely different scenarios and attempting to draw parallels is just petty point scoring

    point scoring? no.

    MAKING a point?

    yes.


  • #64
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    martinedwards wrote: »
    that is a spectacularly bigoted statement. well done.

    How?
    martinedwards wrote: »
    very true, but the families of the innocent victims felt just the same as the families of the RUC and Army vicitms, which is just the same as this Guard's family feel

    Still doesnt make the situations any more comparable. Families are always going to feel the loss of a loved one but it's the state's duty to produce justice, not inflict revenge.
    Also, without wishing to drag this thread off topic, are you implying that the RUC were in some way innocent?
    martinedwards wrote: »
    point scoring? no.

    MAKING a point?

    yes.

    'fraid not. You took a totally unrelated topic and attempted to compare it to a totally incomparable situation in the north to allow you to have a go at the "southies" (?????) and venerate a discredited police force. That, is point scoring.


  • #65
    theSHU
    Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭theSHU


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    Exactly. If released in 2016 he'll have served more than 30 years. he went into prison at 22 and will be coming out in his 50s. Surely he has passed the punishment and rehabilitation stages by now. It doesn't serve the state to keep him in any longer.
    He wasnt the triggerman and he has been a model prisoner for nearly three decades.
    It was a horrendous act and I hope the bastards who shot Garda Donohoe end up spending a similar amount of time behind bars, but after 30 years and the best part of the fella's life gone now anyway, this just smacks of revenge, not justice.

    I don't give a fcuk if he is rehabilitated. He took a life and his should be taken from him too. He needs to locked up in the smallest cage for the rest of his life along with the rest of the lowlifes in this country.


  • #66
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    seamus wrote: »
    We do also have to remember that the aim of prison is not to exact revenge for a person's crime on behalf of society. It serves firstly as a deterrent, but primarily its purpose is punishment - to try and rehabilitate the offender to the point that they understand why their crime was wrong.
    It's not the aim, but retribution is one of the legitimate aims of penal servitude, as recognized by the law reform commission and members of the judiciary in handing down prison sentences every day.

    The logic behind it is clear and valid. By punishing the criminal, albeit in a potentially constructive manner, we remove the danger of people taking justice in their own hands. So even where there is little to gain by imprisonment by way of recidivism, there is merit in retribution in its own right.

    This is a central tenet of public confidence in the criminal justice system.


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  • #67
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    theSHU wrote: »
    I don't give a fcuk if he is rehabilitated. He took a life and his should be taken from him too. He needs to locked up in the smallest cage for the rest of his life along with the rest of the lowlifes in this country.

    But did he? I know the legality of the whole joint enterprise thing but bottom line what he actually did was rob a place with a guy who went on to shoot a guard. he didnt shoot him or order him to shoot him.


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