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Abortion debate thread

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  • #1682
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,111 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    hinault wrote: »
    It's interesting that when you get called about describing being pregnant as crap, that only then do you go on to qualify what you mean by describing pregnancy as being crap.

    As I said your initial comment is very telling.

    Only in the sense that it shows that no two women will have the same experience of pregnancy.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1683
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    hinault wrote: »
    It's interesting that when you get called about describing being pregnant as crap, that only then do you go on to qualify what you mean by describing pregnancy as being crap.
    Personally I thought that what she meant was pretty obvious. She only had to describe it further as you seemed to be taking her comment in a way it was not meant and trying to twist it to try to cast her in a negative light.
    hinault wrote: »
    As I said your initial comment is very telling.
    Yes, very telling, being pregnant, even when he child is wanted is not a barrel of laughs. Ask my girlfriend, the mother of my four children, what pregnancy is like and you will get a similar answer.

    MrP


  • #1684
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,251 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    hinault wrote: »
    I haven't.

    I have enough sisters/sisters-in-law/friends/acquaintances who have experienced difficult pregnancies who would never describe their experience of pregnancy as "being crap"

    The fact that you describe being pregnant as crap remains telling however.

    Some women have comparatively easy pregnancies, some women have very difficult pregnancies. I suspect you're trying to twist her words to mean something else.


  • #1685
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    My words speak for themselves.

    I have been pregnant twice and neither time was it an enjoyable experience. I don't think I can be any clearer than that. Suffice to say, I went through it freely and of my own volition, with the support of my husband, but I would not want anyone to go through even an 'easy' (whatever that means) pregnancy unless it was something she chose to do.

    I know this will be twisted into something that isn't the real meaning but I can't do anything about that.


  • #1686
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    hinault wrote: »
    It's interesting that when you get called about describing being pregnant as crap, that only then do you go on to qualify what you mean by describing pregnancy as being crap.

    As I said your initial comment is very telling.


    What do you want me to do? Revise my experience of pregnancy to fit your view of it, when you've never been through it yourself?

    Your lack of empathy isn't very suprising. As I said, your life must be very sheltered if you think every women experiences pregnancy in the way those you know at first hand do. Do you ever think maybe such women won't be honest with you because you won't take it at face value when they say pregnancy isn't always an entirely positive experience?


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  • #1687
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    hinault wrote: »
    It's interesting that when you get called about describing being pregnant as crap, that only then do you go on to qualify what you mean by describing pregnancy as being crap.

    As I said your initial comment is very telling.

    Interesting only in that it tells us more about you than her.


  • #1688
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    lazygal wrote: »
    What do you want me to do? Revise my experience of pregnancy to fit your view of it, when you've never been through it yourself?

    Your lack of empathy isn't very suprising. As I said, your life must be very sheltered if you think every women experiences pregnancy in the way those you know at first hand do. Do you ever think maybe such women won't be honest with you because you won't take it at face value when they say pregnancy isn't always an entirely positive experience?

    I take at face value your first statement about pregnancy being crap. OK?

    I don't take at face value your later qualification of your earlier statement.


  • #1689
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    hinault wrote: »
    I take at face value your first statement about pregnancy being crap. OK?

    I don't take at face value your later qualification of your earlier statement.


    It was an explanation not a qualification. I wanted to make things clearer for you, seeing as you seemed to have heard about only one type of experience of pregnancy.

    Why don't you take my explanation at face value?


  • #1690
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    lazygal wrote: »
    It was an explanation not a qualification. I wanted to make things clearer for you, seeing as you seemed to have heard about only one type of experience of pregnancy.

    Why don't you take my explanation at face value?

    What would you know about pregnancy been crap, sure you only had 2 babies, unlike ninault who had none? I think ninault should know! Bed of fecking roses so it is. I want 20 children, just so I can be pregnant 20 times. Very telling lazygal, very telling, of what I don't know but very telling....


  • #1691
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    lazygal wrote: »
    It was an explanation not a qualification. I wanted to make things clearer for you, seeing as you seemed to have heard about only one type of experience of pregnancy

    Re-read my second direct reply to you.


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  • #1692
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    hinault wrote: »
    Re-read my second direct reply to you.

    I have, and I have responded accordingly. Your responses are telling.


  • #1693
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    hinault wrote: »
    Re-read my second direct reply to you.

    Time to get off your high horse and back on your bike hinault and accept the lady at face value :)


  • #1694
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    marienbad wrote: »
    Time to get off your high horse and back on your bike hinault and accept the lady at face value :)

    You can accept at face value what she says personally I don't.

    Good joke by the way:)


  • #1695
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    hinault wrote: »
    You can accept at face value what she says personally I don't.

    Good joke by the way:)

    It's a bit silly to assume that pregnancies are an all round fun, joylful and painless experience. Knowledge dictates that a pregnancy can be an altogether crap experience even for those who want a child, to deny to the truth behind the statement is ignorant...


  • #1696
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    It's a bit silly to assume that pregnancies are an all round fun, joylful and painless experience.

    I didn't make such an assumption.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85528930


  • #1697
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    hinault wrote: »
    The fact that you describe being pregnant as crap remains telling however.

    Not nearly as telling as the fact that you latched on to that with particular indignation.

    Are we possibly back to the age old realization that the objection to abortion isn't actually anything to do with the physical welfare of fetuses, but is in fact a reaction to what some (perhaps yourself) consider to be unmotherly like behaviour from some modern women. Women who instead of presenting the, some times unpleasant, truth of pregnancy should be made through social convention to conform to a patriarchal notion of motherhood. Always selfless, always willing, always presenting a positive outward expression of motherhood to society (particularly the men in society). Faithfully fulfilling the role of dutiful breeder producing new little Christian soldiers.

    Telling indeed ...

    mary-and-baby-jesus-munir-alawi.jpg


  • #1698
    fatmammycat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    lazygal wrote: »
    How else would I describe it? It is crap, especially with the hot weather and a lively child and a fulltime job to combine with it, not to mention back pain, morning sickness, a restricted diet, a restricted range of activities, medical appointments and the surgery I'll need to safely deliver the baby playing on my mind.

    There's a group of pregnant women I'm in an online group with who'd also describe pregnancy as crap. Its not all joy, sunshine and glow, you know. Neither is birth or labour. I make no apology for not sugarcoating it for you.

    You must have a very sheltered existence if you've never heard a woman describe pregnancy in a negative way.


    Agreed, my friend-who just had her third and last child- was in bits during her last pregnancy, high blood pressure, discomfort from month 7, morning sickness that went on 24 hours for first 3 months. Yeah, describing it as 'crap' would be rather mild. 'What 'telling' here is that someone should attempt to besmirch your position on pregnancy, forgetting that women have varying experiences during pregnancy, including not wanting to carry one to term.


  • #1699
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    fatmammycat wrote: »
    'What 'telling' here is that someone should attempt to besmirch your position on pregnancy, forgetting that women have varying experiences during pregnancy, including not wanting to carry one to term.

    Quit the hyperbole.

    Instead read the second direct reply I made to the poster in question
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85528930


  • #1700
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    hinault wrote: »
    Quit the hyperbole.

    Instead read the second direct reply I made to the poster in question
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85528930

    It's telling that the stories you have of pregnancy come entirely from people you have a close association with and are all similar. Does that make anyone's experience outside that subset entirely invalid? How do you view women who don't have the same experience of pregnancy as those you know, do you think they are wrong and should feel the way the women you know do?


  • #1701
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    The fact that someone describes pregnancy as being crap is not telling of anything except their experience of being pregnant being crap.


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  • #1702
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    hinault wrote: »
    I haven't.

    I have enough sisters/sisters-in-law/friends/acquaintances who have experienced difficult pregnancies who would never describe their experience of pregnancy as "being crap"

    The fact that you describe being pregnant as crap remains telling however.

    Fair dues to your sisters/sisters-in-law/friends/acquaintances. I wonder what they were saying when they were giving birth or maybe they are just super baby carrying machines who bypass all the crappiness of pregnancy and the rest of us mere mortals, who think pregnancy sucks.


  • #1703
    fatmammycat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    hinault wrote: »
    Quit the hyperbole.

    Instead read the second direct reply I made to the poster in question
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85528930

    Nothing hyperbole about it, I read your comment- what about it? Some of the women you know in life would not consider pregnancy crap- bully for them. Other women do not feel this way. There's nothing 'telling' about their experiences. Being aware that not every woman has the same experience of pregnancy ought to be pretty obvious, what with people being individuals and all that.


  • #1704
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fman-seeks-to-stop-partner-travelling-to-uk-for-abortion-1.1466364&ei=g5fmUeGKKvOP7Aaxv4GYDw&usg=AFQjCNFMGgWbFJMM8CQuF7gAjOrkmGivYQ&sig2=HLmyL3nDVxwCZmm14hqbxg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.ZGU

    this what pro-choice want,high court case of man trying to save his babies life.


  • #1705
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fman-seeks-to-stop-partner-travelling-to-uk-for-abortion-1.1466364&ei=g5fmUeGKKvOP7Aaxv4GYDw&usg=AFQjCNFMGgWbFJMM8CQuF7gAjOrkmGivYQ&sig2=HLmyL3nDVxwCZmm14hqbxg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.ZGU

    this what pro-choice want,high court case of man trying to save his babies life.

    "this what pro-choice want"?

    Er, perhaps you should rephrase that so it is clearer what you are complaining about.


  • #1706
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    "The man asked the High Court today for injunctions preventing his girlfriend leaving the jurisdiction for an abortion until it can be ascertained if she is acting of her own free will"

    "He has no desire to restrain her from travelling should that be her freely held wish, he said"

    I think his issue is that he feels she is being brought against her will, not that she is having an abortion.


  • #1707
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    "The man asked the High Court today for injunctions preventing his girlfriend leaving the jurisdiction for an abortion until it can be ascertained if she is acting of her own free will"

    "He has no desire to restrain her from travelling should that be her freely held wish, he said"

    I think his issue is that he feels she is being brought against her will, not that she is having an abortion.

    why do you even have an issue with abortion or pregnancy?

    this law wont affect you,it affects moms and dads.


  • #1708
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    why do you even have an issue with abortion or pregnancy?

    this law wont affect you,it affects moms and dads.

    Attack the post not the poster, unless you have a personal problem with me, in which case you should report me to a mod.

    What exactly do you mean by your reference to it not affecting me because I'm not a "mom or dad"?? I'd really like to know what you mean by that.


  • #1709
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Attack the post not the poster, unless you have a personal problem with me, in which case you should report me to a mod.

    What exactly do you mean by your reference to it not affecting me because I'm not a "mom or dad"?? I'd really like to know what you mean by that.

    well are you a mom or dad??? because you have posted before that you were not,what are you getting at here??


  • #1710
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,111 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fman-seeks-to-stop-partner-travelling-to-uk-for-abortion-1.1466364&ei=g5fmUeGKKvOP7Aaxv4GYDw&usg=AFQjCNFMGgWbFJMM8CQuF7gAjOrkmGivYQ&sig2=HLmyL3nDVxwCZmm14hqbxg&bvm=bv.49405654,d.ZGU

    this what pro-choice want,high court case of man trying to save his babies life.
    What I've read so far is that he is trying to stop her travelling because he claims she is being forced to have an abortion.

    It's the antithesis of pro-choice if she is being forced to have an abortion.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #1711
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    this law wont affect you,it affects moms and dads.

    What "law".

    This is a case in the high court to ascertain if a person is being forcibly trafficked for the purpose of an abortion. Did you even read the article you linked to?


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