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Clare GAA discussion thread

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  • #1172
    CheltenhamJ
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    The draw has really opened up for Clare , need to capitalise now


  • #1173
    Clareman
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    I wouldn't say that at all, ok we are on the opposite side to Kilkenny but Wexford will be no push over, they had 2 tough games against the Leinster champions, anyone that's looking past Wexford are being very silly.


  • #1174
    Kristopherus
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    Clareman wrote: »
    I wouldn't say that at all, ok we are on the opposite side to Kilkenny but Wexford will be no push over, they had 2 tough games against the Leinster champions, anyone that's looking past Wexford are being very silly.

    Depends very much on which Wexford turns up. They have been woeful on a few occasions against Clare in previous qualifiers.


  • #1175
    WumBuster
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    although it was against poor opposition, 1-32 is serious scoring and with a favourable draw, i think Clare could be a wise bet to go all the way this year. However, your achilles heel could be your manager. When he was Waterford manager he tended to make some baffling decisions in big games.

    One thing about Davy is that he'll have a team fierce fit and motivated and if its a war of attrition the team wont be found wanting. But tactics and team selection? nada


  • #1176
    Clareman
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    I don't think much can be brought into the Laois game, Laois played completely into our hands with their setup and tactics. Wexford will setup the next day with a plan on how to beat Clare, and if we're honest it's not brain surgery.


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  • #1177
    Hidalgo
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    WumBuster wrote: »
    although it was against poor opposition, 1-32 is serious scoring and with a favourable draw, i think Clare could be a wise bet to go all the way this year. However, your achilles heel could be your manager. When he was Waterford manager he tended to make some baffling decisions in big games.

    One thing about Davy is that he'll have a team fierce fit and motivated and if its a war of attrition the team wont be found wanting. But tactics and team selection? nada

    Yes they'll be very fit, but come July August, I don't think there's that much of a difference between teams fitness wise at the top level.

    Our HB line is a serious problem, very little attacking platform from there, midfield is shaky enough at times also. Being weak in those key areas puts us on the backfoot V quality opposition.


  • #1178
    Hidalgo
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    Clareman wrote: »
    I don't think much can be brought into the Laois game, Laois played completely into our hands with their setup and tactics. Wexford will setup the next day with a plan on how to beat Clare, and if we're honest it's not brain surgery.

    For me, the gameplan is ideal for teams up to the Wexfod level, but not for the level above that. It will be suited for the space that's provided in Thurles and we should have enough for Wexford, anything after that and I'm dubious.


  • #1179
    WumBuster
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    Yes they'll be very fit, but come July August, I don't think there's that much of a difference between teams fitness wise at the top level.

    Our HB line is a serious problem, very little attacking platform from there, midfield is shaky enough at times also. Being weak in those key areas puts us on the backfoot V quality opposition.

    In '09-'11 we got to three All ireland semi finals with him and each time the game took a similiar pattern and we were found wanting tactically. We had the fitness but KK and Tipperary hit us with typical early goals in those games. In each of those games the game was over with 15 mins to go, and although we finished strong in each game it was too late. people say, well ye just werent good enough to do it on the big day but the blame must lay at the Davy's door for not learning from his mistakes of the previous years. the Munster final in 2011 was an abonimation also.


  • #1180
    marco_polo
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    For me, the gameplan is ideal for teams up to the Wexfod level, but not for the level above that. It will be suited for the space that's provided in Thurles and we should have enough for Wexford, anything after that and I'm dubious.

    Would you not say it more that the players are good enough to overcome the system up to about that level.


  • #1181
    Hidalgo
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    marco_polo wrote: »
    Would you not say it more that the players are good enough to overcome the system up to about that level.

    I'm not sure I follow what your asking???
    Apologies


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  • #1182
    marco_polo
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    Hidalgo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I follow what your asking???
    Apologies

    No worries it was a pretty inane point tbh, just imo the gameplan is never ideal but the players are talented enough to beat the meerly decent teams in spite of it, and maybe a few of the better ones if they hit top form on a good day.

    When having an off day against a good team like against Cork for example I think it is a recipe for disaster though.


  • #1183
    Hidalgo
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    marco_polo wrote: »
    No worries it was a pretty inane point tbh, just imo the gameplan is never ideal but the players are talented enough to beat the meerly decent teams in spite of it, and maybe a few of the better ones if they hit top form on a good day.

    When having an off day against a good team like against Cork for example I think it is a recipe for disaster though.

    oh ya, there's enough talent there to beat teams up to a certain level no matter what style/tactics are used.
    Its when the current methods are used that the trouble starts. Our slow working the ball out of defence allows opposition to sprint in and intercept the short pass or allows them to funnel back and cut out the space before we eventually go from back to front.
    We're just far too structured for my liking, its not chess we're playing. An obvious example being V Waterford, any time we had a line ball, Colin Ryan was looking to Davy for instructions on what to do. Thats U10 hurling,


  • #1184
    keeponhurling
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    So how does everybody think we are set for Wexford this Saturday?
    (Good that it's on in Thurles, give the Tipp people some hurling at least to look at this summer!)

    I still remember that Div 2 final from a few years back against the same opposition at same venue. We went in as favourites and came out severely disappointed.
    Plus Wexford were only beaten by Dublin after a replay, so this seems like a very tricky game.

    Liam Dunne is a good manager, and he'll have them ready for this.

    Could be a great game.


  • #1185
    Tssk
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    Clare should win this. How good is Jack Guiney? Could it be a matter of just stopping ball coming into him?Is there any other new guys on this Wex team we should be worried about? Wexford finished fourth in the league 1B..Are we being overly cautious because we don't know how our boys will perform as opposed to the quality of the opposition? I think too much has been read into Wexford drawing with Dublin.. They might get a boost from winning the u21 during the week..But how many of their starting 15 played in extra time in those conditions? Physically and emotionally draining I would suspect...
    We have a super fit,talented young team on the brink of taking off.. I think we can be confident without being arrogant on this one


  • #1186
    keeponhurling
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    Jack Guiney is pretty good.

    A win is a win, but a lot of room for improvement


  • #1187
    pappyodaniel
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    Who were your stand out performers for Clare today?


  • #1188
    Hidalgo
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    Tim and venue for Q finals seems to be confirmed.
    Cork V KK @ 2pm
    Galway V Clare @ 4pm

    Sunday 28 July
    Thurles


  • #1189
    Clareman
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    Strange that the Clare match is the "main event". This season's targets must have been to retain Division 1 status (done), win a Munster Championship game (done) and reach the quarter finals at least (done), from here anything would be a bonus, but we're a great opportunity here, I don't think Galway will give us as much space to play our "style" of game, but they've gone a long time without a game and we've 2 games under our belts, we've every chance here.


  • #1190
    Hidalgo
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Strange that the Clare match is the "main event". This season's targets must have been to retain Division 1 status (done), win a Munster Championship game (done) and reach the quarter finals at least (done), from here anything would be a bonus, but we're a great opportunity here, I don't think Galway will give us as much space to play our "style" of game, but they've gone a long time without a game and we've 2 games under our belts, we've every chance here.

    The Boss is in Nowlan Park that night, so the KK fans will want to be home in time, but the GAA would hardly be that accommodating.

    For me, to class this as a successful season means a win over Galway.
    Div 1 status maintained,
    But if we lose to Galway, that's only 1 big team beaten.
    Not getting to a Munster Final was a big disappointment (albeit we got lovely draw) in the qualifiers), making an AI semi would make up for that.


  • #1191
    niallo27
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    Was anyone else wondering why nobody dropped back into the full back line in injury time the last day. They were left two on two with 40 yards of space around them. The Kilkenny boys had 4 back in the full back line at the end of extra time.


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  • #1192
    Mountainlad
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Was anyone else wondering why nobody dropped back into the full back line in injury time the last day. They were left two on two with 40 yards of space around them. The Kilkenny boys had 4 back in the full back line at the end of extra time.

    First thing I was thinking after Wexford scored, expecially given ye were playing with a sweeper back. Criminal to let that happen.

    I don't think yer defense is being coached to defend well, they are just getting loads of men back. Sharper attacking forwards could cause damage. Galway certainly have the potential to do that, also I thought ye looked pretty lax. Too comfortable, but that might just have been because Wexford weren't great. Tony Kelly must have had 5 wides in the second half of normal time. Lovely hurler but needs to use the ball more wisely. Ye have a very good forward line in my opinion, it's a shame they seem so shackled most of the time.


  • #1193
    Clareman
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Was anyone else wondering why nobody dropped back into the full back line in injury time the last day. They were left two on two with 40 yards of space around them. The Kilkenny boys had 4 back in the full back line at the end of extra time.

    Having a hold of the jersey and letting go for fear of getting a second yellow, which wouldn't have made any difference to anything, was just as bad.


  • #1194
    InchicoreDude
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Strange that the Clare match is the "main event". This season's targets must have been to retain Division 1 status (done), win a Munster Championship game (done) and reach the quarter finals at least (done), from here anything would be a bonus, but we're a great opportunity here, I don't think Galway will give us as much space to play our "style" of game, but they've gone a long time without a game and we've 2 games under our belts, we've every chance here.

    Think you are being a little kind to Clare's targets there. They would have fully expected to beat Waterford. The Cork game was 50/50 if they would win.

    Against, Laois & Wexford, Clare would also be expecting to win.

    So to get into bonus territory, I think they have to beat Galway. It will be a disappointing season otherwise.


  • #1195
    Clareman
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    InchicoreDude wrote: »
    Think you are being a little kind to Clare's targets there. They would have fully expected to beat Waterford. The Cork game was 50/50 if they would win.

    Against, Laois & Wexford, Clare would also be expecting to win.

    So to get into bonus territory, I think they have to beat Galway. It will be a disappointing season otherwise.

    This is a Clare team who hasn't won a Munster match in years and has been stuck in division 2 for years also, there's also the issue that this is a young team who need to get used to winning at senior.

    For Clare to move on now they have to beat 1 of the top teams now.


  • #1196
    InchicoreDude
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    Clareman wrote: »
    This is a Clare team who hasn't won a Munster match in years and has been stuck in division 2 for years also, there's also the issue that this is a young team who need to get used to winning at senior.

    For Clare to move on now they have to beat 1 of the top teams now.

    I understand your point. But I really dont think Clare should be happy with beating Waterford, Laois & Wexford this year. None of that shows any progress really. I think the players will feel they need to win this q/final to be a good year


  • #1197
    Clareman
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    I'm not saying they should be happy, they shouldn't be happy with anything short of an All Ireland, but at the start of hte year targets would/should have been set as to what would be an acceptable season and what wouldn't. Personally, I don't think there's a team left in it that we couldn't beat on our best day, you can't help but dream :)


  • #1198
    InchicoreDude
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    Clareman wrote: »
    I'm not saying they should be happy, they shouldn't be happy with anything short of an All Ireland, but at the start of hte year targets would/should have been set as to what would be an acceptable season and what wouldn't. Personally, I don't think there's a team left in it that we couldn't beat on our best day, you can't help but dream :)

    Setting an AI q/final as a target is 1 thing. But if you told Clare at start of year that their target was to beat Waterford, Laois & Wexford, then it would have been considered a pretty low target.

    They wouldnt be satisfied with that at the beginning of the year. And they shouldnt be now! :)


  • #1199
    Mountainlad
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    InchicoreDude wrote: »
    I understand your point. But I really dont think Clare should be happy with beating Waterford, Laois & Wexford this year. None of that shows any progress really. I think the players will feel they need to win this q/final to be a good year

    Surely beating Waterford having lost to them last year is the very definition of progress? And winning their first game in Munster since 2008. Also two more wins in the qualoifiers even if they were favourites is something. A win and a game in Croke Park would be a very good year for this Clare team. I think losing to Cork was a disappointing result but particularly the manner of the defeat. All in all though it wouldnt be a bad year for them, but I do think they have the wrong man in charge. Might reform that opinion if they beat Galway.


  • #1200
    Clareman
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    We have to be realistic as well, we're now the county in Munster with the longest gap for a Munster title, we aren't "entitled" to be the top rank or anything, we have a new team with a new setup, couple that with the expectation of successful under 21 teams as minors, we have to set realistic goals and meet/exceed them. We should be looking to beat 1 of the top teams now though, I would classify all the teams that are left in the Championship as the top teams btw.


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  • #1201
    Hidalgo
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    For me, championship progress would have been to make a Munster Final. Yes its a sign of progress as we won our 1st match in Munster since 08, but this is the strongest we've been in that period.

    We can talk about young players, new systems etc, but if your not careful, a few years have slipped by and the boat has been missed.

    We're not the only team doing well in recent years at underage level.


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