Do you think its fair parents bring young babies on flights for a holiday ?

bumper234 · 12-07-2013 10:22AM

Jake1 wrote: »

What bothers me more, are the people who scowl and moan at the parents as if the parents deliberately set the kids off crying.

I always found that the situation is made worse by grumpy feckers pissing and moaning about a child crying. Lets face it, they do stop ( after a while :pac:)

It usually just ends up flustering the poor parents more, and in turn making the childs behaviour worse.

I find the words **** Off works.:D

keithclancy · 12-07-2013 10:22AM

jmayo wrote: »

That is fooking water mate and unless you have a special campervan you would get very wet driving it from Dublin to Nice.
Of course you could take a ferry which only adds €1600 odd to your trip cost.

1600 quid ? for my Colleagues that drive to Ireland they only pay around 400-600 euro with the Landbridge or Celtic link from Cherbourg/Irish Ferries from Cherbourg/Roscoff.

You can even bring your Dog if you like these days without hassle.

BizzyC · 12-07-2013 10:22AM

I have no problem when the child making noise is very small.
They're too small to be spoken to about the noise and in most cases the parent will be doing everything they can to make the child more comfortable.

I only have a problem when a toddler or older is making a tonne of noise and the parent decides to ignore it.

bumper234 · 12-07-2013 10:25AM

BizzyC wrote: »

I have no problem when the child making noise is very small.
They're too small to be spoken to about the noise and in most cases the parent will be doing everything they can to make the child more comfortable.

I only have a problem when a toddler or older is making a tonne of noise and the parent decides to ignore it.

I have NEVER had any issues with children on planes (this includes a lot of long haul flights around Europe, Canada and the US) I have had plenty of reason to complain about loud, drunken obnoxious adults.

Meangadh · 12-07-2013 10:26AM

syklops wrote: »

Why do you think looking after a child in Wexford is easier than looking after a child in Portugal, Spain, or Croatia where food, drink and baby sitters are much cheaper? As i said in my post above, if you think looking after a small child beside a pool with waiters bringing you drinks is hard work, try doing it in Kerry when its raining in June. I'm not being negative towards Ireland, I love this little country, I'm being realistic.

I remember going on sun holidays with my parents. Lets see, my sister wasn't there, so I was 2 at the oldest, and all I needed was a spade and bucket, and the day stretched out in front of me, with wondrous possibility. Now to enjoy the beach I need a Martini in my hand and be surrounded by girls.

I suppose for me it's more the issue of the heat and the fact that I would definitely have a bias towards holidaying in Ireland. I suppose I just have such positive memories of holidays in Ireland as a child that I'd love my children to have that too. I'm sure others have similar memories of foreign holidays though- I don't have a problem at all if others would rather go abroad, I didn't mean it to come across that way. It's just personally I'd rather holiday more often in Ireland with kids, with the sun holidays being something I'd do with them when they're a little older.

lazygal · 12-07-2013 10:30AM

Meangadh wrote: »

I suppose for me it's more the issue of the heat and the fact that I would definitely have a bias towards holidaying in Ireland. I suppose I just have such positive memories of holidays in Ireland as a child that I'd love my children to have that too. I'm sure others have similar memories of foreign holidays though- I don't have a problem at all if others would rather go abroad, I didn't mean it to come across that way. It's just personally I'd rather holiday more often in Ireland with kids, with the sun holidays being something I'd do with them when they're a little older.

God I've memories of crap holidays in Ireland. The stand out childhood holidays for me are the ones we spent in France, great weather and loads of fun. I won't take the chance on the Irish weather, we prefer to pack up and head away to where we know we can spend time outdoors without needing a batch of raingear and indoor plans.

syklops · 12-07-2013 10:30AM

keithclancy wrote: »

I don't think what you experience on Holidays is valid, if anything your looking at a Microcosm of the people that have done something a certain way rather than a wider majority of people that are from someplace that do something a certain way.

I've got news for you. Ireland is a microcosm. We are 4 million people on a small Island on the wesht of europe.

keithclancy wrote: »

Whether its right or wrong doesn't really matter to me, I just don't see the point and neither do most German/Dutch friends I know.

Well of course your German/Dutch friends don't see the point in flying with a small child, because they have good weather and cheap beer in Germany/Holland. They can go to a random town, rent a chalet, and have a ball. Try doing the same in Ireland and there is a decent chance you will be stuck inside playing the worlds longest game of monopoly.

Another friend is heading off next month to Eastern Germany with his wife and three kids.

Is that the East Germany that gets good weather and has the cheap beer?

keithclancy wrote: »

Another German guy I know from Bavaria that lives in Duesseldorf is heading to Ireland on his third trip with the P&O Landbridge to Ireland, spending three weeks down around the south in Kerry/West Cork with his Wife and 2 kids.

Bavaria: Good weather all summer. He doesn't mind if it pours for his 2 weeks in west cork, because he gets guaranteed nice weather at home all summer long, he is going to cork for the culture, and the seeing new places. For a few scoops and plenty of the incorrectly spelt craic. If it rains, he puts on his raincoat which he brought with him just in case because he is German, and gets on with it and has a good time.

shamrock55 · 12-07-2013 10:35AM

I honestly cant see a problem with it we took our little girl to new zealand with us and she had her first birthday there and back obviously no problems

keithclancy · 12-07-2013 10:41AM

syklops wrote: »

Well of course your German/Dutch friends don't see the point in flying with a small child, because they have good weather and cheap beer in Germany/Holland. They can go to a random town, rent a chalet, and have a ball. Try doing the same in Ireland and there is a decent chance you will be stuck inside playing the worlds longest game of monopoly.

The Weather in the Netherlands/North West Germany is not much better than Ireland.

Summer is maybe a little bit hotter, Winter is definitely colder.

But the frequency of rain is pretty much the same.

For camping trips myself there are some great spots down around West cork (Bantry/Balleylickey)

Its not raining all the time in Ireland

Bavaria: Good weather all summer. He doesn't mind if it pours for his 2 weeks in west cork, because he gets guaranteed nice weather at home all summer long, he is going to cork for the culture, and the seeing new places. For a few scoops and plenty of the incorrectly spelt craic. If it rains, he puts on his raincoat which he brought with him just in case because he is German, and gets on with it and has a good time.

He lives in Duesseldorf, which is in Nordrhein-Westfalen, 'home' is an 8 hour drive in his Campervan.

Frank Black · 12-07-2013 10:42AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There are many circumstances where it is necessary for people to fly with young children in my opinion, going on holiday isn't one of them. I'd include children up to at least seven years of age in that.

Apt username.

syklops · 12-07-2013 10:50AM

Meangadh wrote: »

I suppose for me it's more the issue of the heat and the fact that I would definitely have a bias towards holidaying in Ireland. I suppose I just have such positive memories of holidays in Ireland as a child that I'd love my children to have that too. I'm sure others have similar memories of foreign holidays though- I don't have a problem at all if others would rather go abroad, I didn't mean it to come across that way. It's just personally I'd rather holiday more often in Ireland with kids, with the sun holidays being something I'd do with them when they're a little older.

I can understand Keiths point in some ways. I was abroad for 4 years and had rose tinted memories of trips back home. I was living slightly south of where keith is, and summer started around May, and slowly transitioned into Autumn around mid september, and it was scorching for those months in between. The only time it rained was for a rainstorm, and there would be heavy rain and thunder and lightening for an hour, and if you were out and about during it you went to the nearest pub and had a few scoops, and when it stopped, it stopped and you went on your way and the streets were dry in 30 minutes and you were back to blue skies. So I can understand him wondering why don't we holiday in Ireland, but once you're home again for a while the reality kicks in. I've had weekends in cork where it started raining during the drive down in Mallow on the Friday evening, and it stopped raining during the drive home in Mallow on the Sunday evening and we spent the weekend in the pub at 4 euros a pint, and on the drive home we calculated that if we had flown to Dusseldorf instead, the journey time would have been the same, price of pints would have been half, price of smokes would have been a third, and we would have been guaranteed sun.

keithclancy · 12-07-2013 10:53AM

syklops wrote: »

I've got news for you. Ireland is a microcosm. We are 4 million people on a small Island on the wesht of europe.

BTW I think you'll find unless they floated a bit off the Population of the Island is almost 6.4 million.

The Backwards Man · 12-07-2013 10:56AM

Frank Black wrote: »

Apt username.

Na, I just have no problem telling people what they don't want to hear. There is no rational reason under the sun to take a very young child on a needlessly long journey for a holiday. That's my opinion.

bumper234 · 12-07-2013 10:58AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I just have no problem telling people what they don't want to hear. There is no rational reason under the sun to take a very young child on a needlessly long journey for a holiday. That's my opinion.

What you deem to be needless is important to others.

wexie · 12-07-2013 10:58AM

keithclancy wrote: »

BTW I think you'll find unless they floated a bit off the Population of the Island is almost 6.4 million.

Must have floated off a lot, was about 4.5 million according to the 2011 Census...

Ihatecuddles-old · 12-07-2013 10:59AM

Brought my son on an 8 hour flight when he was 4 months old. I don't see anything wrong with it to be honest. If he was a difficult baby (can't think of a better way of phrasing that) then I wouldn't have.

keithclancy · 12-07-2013 11:02AM

wexie wrote: »

Must have floated off a lot, was about 4.5 million according to the 2011 Census...

4.5 Million in the Republic and 1.8 Million in the North.

If you get out the calculator and add those together you'll get the result for the Island.

Frank Black · 12-07-2013 11:04AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I just have no problem telling people what they don't want to hear. There is no rational reason under the sun to take a very young child on a needlessly long journey for a holiday. That's my opinion.

I know, and it's backwards - hence the aptness of your username.

syklops · 12-07-2013 11:04AM

keithclancy wrote: »

BTW I think you'll find unless they floated a bit off the Population of the Island is almost 6.4 million.

The population was speculated to be about 6.4 million, then the recession hit and the Poles and Latvians went home. The Census in 2011 found there were 4,588,25 living in Ireland. Not counting the ones on holiday.

The Weather in the Netherlands/North West Germany is not much better than Ireland.

Summer is maybe a little bit hotter, Winter is definitely colder.

But the frequency of rain is pretty much the same.

Its not just about the weather. A pint in North West Germany is about 2 to 2.50 euro. A pint in killarney is about 4-5 euros. A packet of smokes in West Germany is about 5 euros, its 9.45 in Ireland. A week in Germany can be done for about 120 euro. You'd barely get a night out in killarney for that.

syklops · 12-07-2013 11:08AM

keithclancy wrote: »

4.5 Million in the Republic and 1.8 Million in the North.

Very few people in the Republic count the people in the north when they use the term Irish People.

keithclancy wrote: »

If you get out the calculator and add those together you'll get the result for the Island.

There's no need to be like that. You asked the question on After Hours. If you don't like the responses you are getting ask a mod to close the thread.

freedominacup · 12-07-2013 11:09AM

seamus wrote: »

Sun holidays with a baby (i.e. under 2) - what's the point? You can't go out and sit on the beach all day with the child, you can't go out for dinner and get half sloshed, and they'll be uncomfortable as hell in the heat and won't sleep.

By inference then once they're over two it's party time so?

You're free to go on the tear with kids in tow down whatever fifth circle of hell that serves as the place to be in whatever resort you happen to be staying in. And then spend the following day sleeping it off on the beach while the kids try not to drown?

A family holiday is not a singles holiday with kids thrown in.

The Mulk · 12-07-2013 11:09AM

syklops wrote: »

I can understand Keiths point in some ways. I was abroad for 4 years and had rose tinted memories of trips back home. I was living slightly south of where keith is, and summer started around May, and slowly transitioned into Autumn around mid september, and it was scorching for those months in between. The only time it rained was for a rainstorm, and there would be heavy rain and thunder and lightening for an hour, and if you were out and about during it you went to the nearest pub and had a few scoops, and when it stopped, it stopped and you went on your way and the streets were dry in 30 minutes and you were back to blue skies. So I can understand him wondering why don't we holiday in Ireland, but once you're home again for a while the reality kicks in. I've had weekends in cork where it started raining during the drive down in Mallow on the Friday evening, and it stopped raining during the drive home in Mallow on the Sunday evening and we spent the weekend in the pub at 4 euros a pint, and on the drive home we calculated that if we had flown to Dusseldorf instead, the journey time would have been the same, price of pints would have been half, price of smokes would have been a third, and we would have been guaranteed sun.

Agree totally, we holidayed in Clonakilty when our youngest was 7 months, oldest was 2 1/2. A week in a hotel in August. It rained for 5 days, windy for the other 2, food and drink were crazy money. It didn't even feel like a holiday.
That was 3 years ago this year and we've gone abroad every year since.
Max. 3 hour flight though and the kids are grand.
Even the photos of that holiday look miserable.

As a kid I always holidayed in Ireland but didn't know any better, one year we went abroad(Wales), on the boat,I think I was about 13 and had a great time. Made me realise the that I was getting a raw deal 'Holidaying' in Ireland

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 12-07-2013 11:13AM

They shouldn't be banned from flying but there should be a section for families with small kids so they can all roar and cry away from the rest of the people.

The Backwards Man · 12-07-2013 11:16AM

bumper234 wrote: »

What you deem to be needless is important to others.

Travelling is important and should be done at every possible opportunity, in my opinion.

Dragging a baby completely unaware of their surroundings along with you is needless. Wait until they are old enough to appreciate it, leave them at home, or don't go. Perfectly practical outlook on life if I say so myself.

keithclancy · 12-07-2013 11:16AM

syklops wrote: »

The population was speculated to be about 6.4 million, then the recession hit and the Poles and Latvians went home. The Census in 2011 found there were 4,588,25 living in Ireland. Not counting the ones on holiday.

He mentioned the Island not the Republic.

Its not just about the weather. A pint in North West Germany is about 2 to 2.50 euro. A pint in killarney is about 4-5 euros. A packet of smokes in West Germany is about 5 euros, its 9.45 in Ireland. A week in Germany can be done for about 120 euro. You'd barely get a night out in killarney for that.

A packet of smokes in the Netherlands is 6 euros.

They also managed to enforce the smoking ban in May (Thank god) in NRW.

A 500ml glass of something in Dusseldorf will set you back around 3.80 in a Local old man bar and between 4-5 euro in a Modern bar.

IMO there's great value to be had in Ireland at the moment, booze in Supermarkets is much cheaper for a better selection of stuff compared to the Netherlands anyway, its only cheaper if your drinking Amstel/Heineken/Bavaria/Dommelsch.

Lots of restaurants have deals on if you check around the place.

In Germany, German beer is way cheaper in the Supermarkets for sure.

Cost of accommodation varies wildly depending on if an event is on or not, if you hit anywhere around Dusseldorf/Cologne at the wrong time crappy hotel rooms can start at 500 euros and something that is along the lines of the Clarion is around 1100 euros for the night.

But the big cost is the price of owning a car, in the Netherlands is frikkin nuts, Motor tax on a Diesel is over twice what it is in Ireland, if you get a Petrol your paying 1.78 a liter.

Car parts cost a fortune in Germany/The Netherlands for some unknown reason, I get all my bits from the UK.

syklops wrote: »

Very few people in the Republic count the people in the north when they use the term Irish People.

There's no need to be like that. You asked the question on After Hours. If you don't like the responses you are getting ask a mod to close the thread.

Sorry man, didn't mean to come across the wrong way, he and I did say Island, which is not really anything to do with being Irish. Same as in the UK, they wouldn't say population of England = the UK

jmayo · 12-07-2013 11:16AM

keithclancy wrote: »

Whether its right or wrong doesn't really matter to me, I just don't see the point and neither do most German/Dutch friends I know.

Another friend is heading off next month to Eastern Germany with his wife and three kids.

Another German guy I know from Bavaria that lives in Duesseldorf is heading to Ireland on his third trip with the P&O Landbridge to Ireland, spending three weeks down around the south in Kerry/West Cork with his Wife and 2 kids.

Weather in continental Europe is better than Ireland, or UK.
Yes that guy may bring his kids to Ireland for two weeks and so what if the weather is shi**y, because for the rest of their summer back home they will have good half decent weather.
Whereas the kids here normally do not have that.
This is the first decent summer in years.

keithclancy wrote: »

1600 quid ? for my Colleagues that drive to Ireland they only pay around 400-600 euro with the Landbridge or Celtic link from Cherbourg/Irish Ferries from Cherbourg/Roscoff.

You can even bring your Dog if you like these days without hassle.

Yeah right.
On Irish ferries I have been quoted in July 1600 return for car, 5 passengers and two 4 berth cabins.
Trust me you need a cabin if you have younger kids as you can't sleep in a chair with them.
Even with Celtic the cost was about 1000.

Now I have travelled with Irish ferries in May/Spet and the cost is down around 700/800, but sadly due to school/work I have needed to do it in July/August.

I could of course have done it much cheaper by travelling through Uk, but that involves a late evening ferry (not good idea with young kids as they need sleep or get hyper) and 5/6 hour drive across UK.

There is huge difference between travelling with young kids and older kids nevermind adults.
Young kids do keep asking "are we there yet ?" even if you hav eonly left the house and the drive/ferry is two days long and 700 miles.
I have driven for 12-14 hours straight, but with young kids that is a no no.

Wabbit Ears · 12-07-2013 11:19AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Travelling is important and should be done at every possible opportunity, in my opinion.

Dragging a baby completely unaware of their surroundings along with you is needless. Wait until they are old enough to appreciate it, leave them at home, or don't go. Perfectly practical outlook on life if I say so myself.

This is one of those situations where you know full well how absolutely wrong your point of view is but you'll hold onto it regardless in the face of all reasonable discussion to the contrary.

The Backwards Man · 12-07-2013 11:27AM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

This is one of those situations where you know full well how absolutely wrong your point of view is but you'll hold onto it regardless in the face of all reasonable discussion to the contrary.

If it's wrong, tell me how it's wrong and I'll gladly change the error of my ways.

Frank Black · 12-07-2013 11:29AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Travelling is important and should be done at every possible opportunity, in my opinion.

Dragging a baby completely unaware of their surroundings along with you is needless. Wait until they are old enough to appreciate it, leave them at home, or don't go. Perfectly practical outlook on life if I say so myself.

Sounds like someone's hungry.

wexie · 12-07-2013 11:30AM

keithclancy wrote: »

Sorry man, didn't mean to come across the wrong way, he and I did say Island, which is not really anything to do with being Irish. Same as in the UK, they wouldn't say population of England = the UK

Nope that was just me misreading Island for Ireland.

Do you think its fair parents bring young babies on flights for a holiday ?

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