SCC Helping hand?

trixi2011 · 26-06-2013 11:11AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

90,000-150,000 couple of older ladies hovering around 300,000-400,000 that are keeping it above the 100,000,we find cluster-dipping a good help have only had two clinical cases of mastitis this year so far touchwood, biggest problem here seems to be steph-ubers causing a few sub-clinical cases biggest cause of this is meant to be at drying-off time dirt getting into the teats etc, so going using teat sealers this year.
The thing I was getting at with the aussie example is that in the case of this farm it was being run like a circus no milk recording, really bad staff, rotary parlour was falling apart numerous vacuum leaks, liners/pipes hadn't being changed in 10 months before I went and got the owner to get us new liners, but still the cell count wasn't sky high like it should of been, there is a lot to be said for dilution due to numbers, remember one morning when I wasn't on milking was doing the calves came in to find the antibiotic herd had gone into the bulk tank about 25 cows, went and got the milk tested and it came back negative :eek: milk was sent on and there wasn't a word said, large herds run right where there is a good parlour and plenty of good staff at milking are a lot easier to keep milk quality right then for your average small farmer milking 50-60 cows in my opinion.

I've seen 1cow milked by mistake putting down 22000l of milk And she was not a fresh treatment but still under withhold not on my farm tho touch wood so I really don't think dilution rates matter. That farm sounds just like a farm I had little stint on a few years agok . Farmer spent 250,000 on a new scc and milk quality testers but wouldn't put new rubber ware in , joke of a place

awaywithyou · 26-06-2013 01:50PM

delaval wrote: »

One of our goals this year is to reduce scc to <120k. To date we have been happy to be inside penalty limits. We have been taking firebrigade action for the last few years. While is ranging between 150 and 250 at the moment we reallly need to take action as this is the easy time of year to control it.

We always get a spike at clving and among heifers, it clears quickly once they settle and start to get into a routine. Having said that we rarely have a clinical case. We would however treat quarters in the spring as we CMT all cows and heifs before they join main herd.

We milk record monthly and have identified the cows causing the problems. We have taken cultures and it is staph. We know the culprits and the bacteria.

My plan is to record again on Friday and as soon as results are back we intend doing the following
1 Seperate offenders
2 Cmt to identify quarter
3 Treat offfending quarter
4 Cmt continuously throughout treatment
5 If treatment is unsuccessful ie CMT fail I will dry quarter

If I am missing any steps please fill in the blanks. All these cows will be completely seperate and milked last to avoid cross ontamination and an antibiotic cockup

Whenever we tube a cow we withold milk till it passes charm antibiotic test. As all calves are weaned and we will need to dump witheld milk I was wondering do any of you milk the other 3 quarters into the tank and only dump milk from treated quarter? Am I being too stingy here, does whole system become antibiotic pos or only the treated quarter?

what kind of pulsation do you have in your parlour....??

im from dairymaster country.... and a load of lads have thrown out the dairymaster 4x0 pulsation system and put in delavals 2x2 and have claimed it has made the world of difference to their SCC...

delaval · 26-06-2013 02:46PM

awaywithyou wrote: »

what kind of pulsation do you have in your parlour....??

im from dairymaster country.... and a load of lads have thrown out the dairymaster 4x0 pulsation system and put in delavals 2x2 and have claimed it has made the world of difference to their SCC...

2x2 I think it's more attention to detail required here

delaval · 01-07-2013 09:21PM

Update;
Scc sitting at 130 since I started this thread. Maybe getting conscious of it switches us on more.
Some one mentioned machine both serviced and were in perfect order.
All liners and pulse tubes changed.
We recorded this pm and will review results when they return.

delaval · 08-07-2013 09:23AM

4 clinical cases in the last week. Nothing changed except liners.
Machine tested all well.
Scc 130 spiked to 200, bAck to 120 now. What's most frustrating is we don't know what's causing the problem.
To be fair I have not reviewed Scc report from last weeks recording as has not been sent yet. I must check ICBF to see is it up and go from there.

whelan1 · 08-07-2013 09:45AM

would the warm ground be causing it? just a thought, ring your recording place and they will give you the highest cows . One thing against recording is the data is old hat by the time you get the results

mahoney_j · 08-07-2013 11:33AM

delaval wrote: »

4 clinical cases in the last week. Nothing changed except liners.
Machine tested all well.
Scc 130 spiked to 200, bAck to 120 now. What's most frustrating is we don't know what's causing the problem.
To be fair I have not reviewed Scc report from last weeks recording as has not been sent yet. I must check ICBF to see is it up and go from there.

Delaval just wondering what teat dip ur using??was talking to a friend last weekend with a 250 + cow herd who had serious scc issues last year.he changed to a 3% parceatic acid solution from silk dip and scc is averaging under 100 k this year from close to 400 last year.cow teat condition is excellent.sounds mad but seen his cows this am and teat condition is as good as he says it was.might be worth considering??

delaval · 08-07-2013 01:22PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Delaval just wondering what teat dip ur using??was talking to a friend last weekend with a 250 + cow herd who had serious scc issues last year.he changed to a 3% parceatic acid solution from silk dip and scc is averaging under 100 k this year from close to 400 last year.cow teat condition is excellent.sounds mad but seen his cows this am and teat condition is as good as he says it was.might be worth considering??

Could you find out the brand name and I will try.
Tear spray we use is iodine based with an added conditioner. I was milking for wend and it was something I was watching for, all teats in good order.

Incidentally all cows responded very well to tubes and cleared CMT with 3 tubes. Again it could just extra vigilance.

I should never have gone to that bloody Cell Check meeting!!!!!!!!

Timmaay · 08-07-2013 01:37PM

"mahoney_j wrote: »

and scc is averaging under 100 k this year from close to 400 last year.cow teat condition is excellent

Did he notice much of an increase in milk volume as a result, which the cell check lads were saying is one of the biggest advantages of getting your scc down.

Teat condition definitely deteriorated about 2 months ago by me, I couldn't pin down what caused it. Apart from 2 or 3 mastitis cases as a result of blocked teat ends I didn't really see any changes, in average scc etc. It cleared itself up anyways, teats all perfect now.

mahoney_j · 08-07-2013 02:27PM

delaval wrote: »

Could you find out the brand name and I will try.
Tear spray we use is iodine based with an added conditioner. I was milking for wend and it was something I was watching for, all teats in good order.

Incidentally all cows responded very well to tubes and cleared CMT with 3 tubes. Again it could just extra vigilance.

I should never have gone to that bloody Cell Check meeting!!!!!!!!

It's just the normal par acetic acid that you use for use for cluster dipping mixed at 3% so that's 3 Ltrs in 100 Ltrs of water

TEAT SQUEEZER · 08-07-2013 02:50PM

peracetic acid is an oxidising agent so the solution will have turned into water and oxygen in a matter of hours so make a fresh batch between milkings..... it might make a good predip too.. i`d wonder does it have any carryover disinfection after you initally zap the teat

delaval · 10-07-2013 08:01AM

FFS another case this am. Going to dip units to try and break cycle.

jomoloney · 10-07-2013 08:52AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

It's just the normal par acetic acid that you use for use for cluster dipping mixed at 3% so that's 3 Ltrs in 100 Ltrs of water

very hard water can cause issues

we always use a ready to use dip here , otherwise (especially in this weather) we would'nt have a spin intact

Timmaay · 10-07-2013 09:15AM

jomoloney wrote: »

very hard water can cause issues

we always use a ready to use dip here , otherwise (especially in this weather) we would'nt have a spin intact

Hmm how does hard water effect scc? Water is very hard around here, most kettles/heating elements only last 6months here!

delaval · 10-07-2013 09:18AM

Me too

blue5000 · 10-07-2013 09:47AM

I haven't milked for a few years now, but one other thing that helped was a selenium bolus to offenders at drying off. It is tied in with Vitanin E uptake/availability. Vit E is needed to repair body cells that are damaged. AFAIK there is no withdrawal period so could be used when the cow is still milking.

Mulumpy · 10-07-2013 10:17AM

Has anyone used the mastitis vaccination. think its supposed to be good against strep.

TEAT SQUEEZER · 10-07-2013 10:44AM

delaval wrote: »

FFS another case this am. Going to dip units to try and break cycle.

get the young lad on the case.. if you flush out the cluster with a water hose you can then use the little hand sprayers up the liners .. alot quicker than u think cos if u dip in a bucket after 3-4 dips the bucket will be full of sh1t.. did you get a service done lately/ due liner change?

Timmaay · 10-07-2013 12:11PM

That sounds like a much better idea that clusterdipping, I remember reading they recommend you throw away the peracetic acid mix after dipping 12 units, what I use to do was have one dipping bucket between 2units, say 10rows of cows, that worked out at 20dips with each mix, and the mix was pure sh*te at the finish, I probably was spreading more scc than killing it!

Delaval, another problem, that the parlour serviceman once pointed out to me last winter when I was having big problems, after you put a cluster on a cow who has cruds, some of the cruds can get stuck just inside the liner, and can be hard to remove, even during washing. Of course this will spread mastitis like crazy. I remember the serviceman looking at a random liner while explaining this to me, and just as it happened that liner had aload of cruds stuck inside it!!! This was during the middle of the day, after I'd done the usual acid wash with the machine! So might well be worth going around and giving all the liners a quick clean, there is a specific brush for it, similar to a bottlebrush.

whelan1 · 10-07-2013 07:45PM

have you any autumn calvers near due for drying, i had been putting off drying mine off , but made a big difference to bulk tank scc when i did

delaval · 10-07-2013 08:05PM

Parlour serviced all liners etc changed.
Scc not really the problem it's 5 clinical cases in 2 weeks that is giving me the pips.

Scc last year hovered at 270-350. This tear sitting comfortably at <150. Once it passes 150 we go looking.

Scc not fluctuating that much just these cases.

whelan1 · 10-07-2013 08:08PM

are they the same ones recurring?

delaval · 10-07-2013 08:24PM

whelan1 wrote: »

are they the same ones recurring?

One failed CMT after calving others fresh cases.

mahoney_j · 10-07-2013 10:08PM

Could it be just down to weather????i had 2 cases this evening from nowhere,cows on aftergrass from paddock baled 22 days ago and water flowing all day with no restrictions .they gave most of day lying by the ditch though in the shade .scc averaging 97 so far this month.

delaval · 10-07-2013 10:15PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Could it be just down to weather????i had 2 cases this evening from nowhere,cows on aftergrass from paddock baled 22 days ago and water flowing all day with no restrictions .they gave most of day lying by the ditch though in the shade .scc averaging 97 so far this month.

Yes,
That's what the lads in the group were surmising also. Stress does bring it on.

TEAT SQUEEZER · 12-07-2013 10:53AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Could it be just down to weather????i had 2 cases this evening from nowhere,cows on aftergrass from paddock baled 22 days ago and water flowing all day with no restrictions .they gave most of day lying by the ditch though in the shade .scc averaging 97 so far this month.

2 cases in 2 days here ... both were old reliables who i would have deemed cured and recorded low...bulk scc down to 70 with some culls taken out.. thats the confusing thing about clinical cases.. its a war of many battles this scc thats for sure..

flat out !! · 12-07-2013 01:30PM

Last recording I had a cow with a reading almost 10 million, the 5 highest scc cows were making up 50% of overall scc in the herd.

delaval · 12-07-2013 01:33PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Could it be just down to weather????i had 2 cases this evening from nowhere,cows on aftergrass from paddock baled 22 days ago and water flowing all day with no restrictions .they gave most of day lying by the ditch though in the shade .scc averaging 97 so far this month.

2 more cases last night. Called my milk manager and he told me of many others similar. Scc remaining stable yet clinical cases. He puts it down to heat stress and told me not to do anything drastic as of yet.

Cows back in milk today, drought really biting now and costing money.

whelan1 · 12-07-2013 01:50PM

flat out !! wrote: »

Last recording I had a cow with a reading almost 10 million, the 5 highest scc cows were making up 50% of overall scc in the herd.

think the limit is 9.9999999999 million

flat out !! · 12-07-2013 01:57PM

whelan1 wrote: »

think the limit is 9.9999999999 million

That's what it was 9.9999999 million, no curds tho cmt test did show her up.

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