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What should politicians/policy makers do to fix the country?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    xpletiv wrote: »
    The current generation, as in the 18-30 bracket, are amongst the best educated and intelligent people on the planet. We have been lucky to have an excellent education through primary, secondary, and college levels of schooling, much, much more than the generation before us, and probably better than the generation to follow due to our cuts and debts. So as radical as it seems, I believe that all politicians over the age of 40, with no third level education, be immediately terminated from the government. This is because they have little or no clue about what the country needs. We can see this through the cuts towards education and yet investment in multinational corporation.

    What member of the government doesn't have a third level education? Also, isn't 40 (or age limits of the sort you are suggesting in general) a tad arbitary? Why not 39, or 41?
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Indiginous companies need to be generated. Start giving much, much better tax breaks to irish companies than to the MNCs. Otherwise, continue to see our best and brightest emigrate to other countries that give better offers. This generation is well educated and international; when we see some opportunity internationally, we are more likely to go for it due to the poor chances here.

    If we abandon the free trade model in favour of the sort of protectionism you talk about, we would be stoking other countries to tarrif our exports. Double edged sword.
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Expenses - cut them all. We, as the working people of Ireland, should not be paying these people for cushy lives, which they have. There is no excuse and I believe that the Irish people (yes, you me and all) are as much to blame for letting it get to this stage. Cap at 100k and no other expenses. Nothing. Everything comes out their own pocket; see smaller B&Bs and cheaper hotels suddenly start to get more business due to politicians have to spend their own money. Got to open a school in Galway Enda? Get a bus or drive yourself; no helicopter or private driver. These people are just people; they should not have been allowed to get on this pedistal, especially seen as how poor a job has been done in the last few years.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but the only politicians with drivers etc are the President, the Taoiseach, the Tainiste and the Minister for Justice. The reason it was put in place was because the drivers would be part of their Garda close protection team. This was due to the threat of terrorism - twould be quite the coup for a dissident republican group or a loyalist thug band to get their hands on the Minister for Justice, wouldn't you think? All other politicians including other cabinet ministers make their own arrangements.

    I'd be of the opinion that they should be harder to get, and all without fail vouched. Dublin deputies don't need them. Kildare/Wicklow deputies might be subsidized the price of their bus/DART ticket unless they have a damn good reason for needing to subsidize the car, and an independent body verifies it. Everyone else, some arrangement (again independently verified) depending on their situation and distance.

    I don't particularly feel anyone should have to pay out of their own pocket just to do their job - that goes for whatever the job. That's why I'm not quite as hardline on this as you.
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Dole - Cut off after 6 months if no work is found for 1 month. Saves a bundle and will get people back working. Be more forceful; dont reduce the amount, because thats at its tether already, but reduce the amount of time in a row that people can claim it. People are lazy; get a job in Tesco or a bar or something for wages. Staying on the dole for 2 and 3 years+ is inexcusable.

    Because cutting people off to starve won't create a social explosion that would make the London Riots look like a tea party at all, would it?

    Idiotic, right-wing crankologist suggestion. I agree that the system we have isn't fit for purpose - starving people who can't find work in 6 months isn't a solution. There are less jobs than there are people here - that includes "jobs in Tesco or a bar or something for wages".

    Crack down on people working while claiming the dole would be one viable solution. Automatic enrolement in a jobsbridge scheme or the like after 6 months claiming jobseekers would be another. Starving people - not so much...
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Party Whip system - agree with above. Abolish, makes a mockery of democracy.

    The whip system is there to ensure that politicians can't fall prey to becomming lobby fodder for special interests. What you get in its absence is auction politics - look at the special (generally moneyed) interest pandering that goes on in the US Senate and House if you want to see that in action.

    Loosen the whip considerably? Yes.
    Get rid of it altogether? No - it would basically destroy democracy and replace it with legalized bribary.
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Keep drink cheap, dont increase smokes any more. These are tough ones for people to deal with; we need something in these troubled times. There are particular other substances that could be legalised to generate money as well and I think Ireland is ready for this. We are an intelligent population; we can make our own decisions.

    This should be our national priority right now is it? Are you under 17 by any chance?
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Diplomacy - Stop being so darn cowardly. Play more hardball with Europe.

    I can see how that conversation would go...

    Kenny: "My people have told me to stop being so cowardly and to start playing hardball with you, so that's what I'm going to do!"

    Merkill: "Hmm... OK, do you have any bargining power to speak of? Natural resources to trade? Are you of any major foreign policy importance, like Israel is?"

    Kenny: "Eh... no on all fronts"

    Merkill: "I see... and I notice you rather stupidly socialized all your enormous private banking debts a few years ago - can you afford to keep your State running without cash injections from us. You know - hospitals, police, schools, etc?"

    Kenny: "That would be a no too..."

    Merkill: "I see, well fcuk off then!"
    xpletiv wrote: »
    Banks - No more bank bailouts. Bring those responsible to trial. No more cowardice.

    And if the banking system collapses, what do we do then? What do you reckon would be the result of such a move a week, a month, a year after we let our banking system completely collapse?

    I want to see those responsible brought to trial more than anything else in the world - every cell in my body wants it. But it's a job for the Gardai and the Courts - the politicians can't put anyone in jail, and it's probably a good thing too.

    No more cowardice in terms of what precisely?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Make changes to welfare to make working more attractive (for when jobs do come back). Stop importing new people into the country to do jobs that unemployed people already here could do.

    Employment is the solution to our problems. Nothing else will fix this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭my my my


    go **** themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    I think they should cut taxes, raise welfare and subsisdise people in negative equity like a write down say 15% off their mortgages.
    We should aim to hold the world cup in 17 years time and start building the infrastructure to make sure it happens.
    We should burn the bond holders and amalgate all the state owned and partly owned banks into one big super bank.
    Take back the oil and gas reserves off the coast.
    Build a large casino city that would attract millions from around the world .
    Legalise the weed and making love for money.
    Have a siesta in summer time so we can be more European.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭MOC88


    Seeing some good ideas that are all common sense here... and none of it will be implemented.

    The argument that eliminating the party whip system would encourage auction politics is a fallacy, what we have now is auction politics just with much fewer targets for the lobbyists. Lobbyists in this country are paid massive wages and have massive influence and anyone with any input in to legislation is communicating with them regularly. In fact many politicians int his country use lobbyists to inform them of the issue. The Irish banking federation has a particularly strong one... if you read on the end of this article you can quickly ascertain their aims http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/banks-slash-interest-rates-for-savers-by-40pc-29267381.html (edit - that was done by a quick google search- there seems no problem in anyone's head that private interest groups pay and give someone money to influence a politicians decisions - are the elected representatives meant to research and make their own decisions not to represent a party line influenced by lobbyists)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    So when it comes time for them to canvas at your door in in your area exactly what issues will you raise with them? The issues I will raise are as below and In my view are standing in the way of the county's recovery.
      [*]The party whip system (as used here) is undemocratic to say the least
      [*]Politician's expenses
      [*]Gangsters like you Lowry still being part of Fine Gael
      [*]We need a system of education like Finland's and to ensure standardised testing we need to malke all schools private schools, get rid of private schools or bring all schools up to the same level.
      [*]I don't like the ad hominem attacks Enda makes every time he is asked a stragtforward question!


      I also think we should be very wary of student politics but that's another story.
      The problem with abolishing the party whip system is that politicians can simply pander to their local electorate instead of acting in the national interest (yet still piggyback on the popularity of the major parties). What is the point in voting for someone with a party manifesto if they turn around and act in self-interest? The system isn't perfect (none are) but it does provide some checks to that sort of behaviour. I would however like to see TDs having a free vote on more issues.

      I think students being involved in and passionate about politics is very important. I kind of expect them to rage against the system, protest against all their perceived inequalities and mellow out as they mature. Alas students are more likely to join the youth movements of FF and FG. The cynic in me sees these people as having no interest in politics rather a calculated career move.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 My_Sharona


      Foxhound38 wrote: »
      I can see how that conversation would go...

      Kenny: "My people have told me to stop being so cowardly and to start playing hardball with you, so that's what I'm going to do!"

      Merkill: "Hmm... OK, do you have any bargining power to speak of? Natural resources to trade? Are you of any major foreign policy importance, like Israel is?"

      Kenny: "Eh... no on all fronts"

      Merkill: "I see... and I notice you rather stupidly socialized all your enormous private banking debts a few years ago - can you afford to keep your State running without cash injections from us. You know - hospitals, police, schools, etc?"

      Kenny: "That would be a no too..."

      Merkill: "I see, well fcuk off then!"

      The Germans are the core creditor state at the heart of the Euro. They would have to sit up and take notice if peripheral states decided to stop subsidising foolish decisions made by their banks to lend money to Anglo etc.

      The basic problem with the Euro is that money was loaned across national borders without restriction therefore it became profitable for German banks to borrow cheaply domestically and lend to the periphery such as Ireland. Now that these loans have gone bad the Germans use their political power to force the periphery to socialise bad debts and enhance recovery for their banks.

      Take a look at who was lending to Treasury:

      "Hypothekenbank Frankfurt now plans to appoint David Hughes and Luke Charleton of Ernst & Young as joint receivers to finalise the sale of the properties."

      http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/kennedy-wilson-set-to-win-battle-over-306m-property-portfolio-29394140.html

      A good start would be to end the bank guarantee and exit the Euro. A re-entry could be negotiated if the Euro became a proper currency union at some stage in the future.

      Foxhound38 wrote: »
      And if the banking system collapses, what do we do then? What do you reckon would be the result of such a move a week, a month, a year after we let our banking system completely collapse?

      The banking system has already collapsed in case you hadn't noticed. Better to do something drastic now to promote recovery rather than wait around 5 years to make the same decision.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Garzard


      For me there's hundreds of ideas. I'll therefore l just list a few of some.

      1: Our Education System

      I'd probably start by fixing our education system. I think introducing an IT Program at secondary school is a brilliant idea since that's what most Irish jobs in the future will be centred around. Plus, they should scrap Irish and Religion out of the system completely - let people spend their own time and money learning Irish outside of school. Both subjects are outdated and a waste of tax payer's money. Make the system similar to Finland's.

      I think the whole process of entry into third-level should be changed too. Instead of it being all about a points race and huge competition that leaves countless students each August devastated, (including myself) entry into a course should depend on interviews or entrance exams. Those who get the highest results will be accepted.

      2: Our Welfare System

      I agree with many that our social welfare system rewards people for being lazy. I remember listening to the Adrian Kennedy Phoneshow a while back discussing this and one fella rang in and claimed that he's been on the dole since the mid-60's! IMO those who are long term unemployed, let's give it 2.5 years should gradually be penalised with welfare cuts which I think would greatly discourage laziness.

      Although I'm not sure how this would be properly implemented, I've always thought making people work for their dole is a great idea as well. Imagine having 400000+ people doing community service or cleaning our streets etc.

      3: Abortion Laws

      I know the abortion discussion has been done to death. While this probably wouldn't improve the country per se, I think abortion in Ireland should be legalised on demand. It's the only way to end the debate and we might as well since thousands women travel abroad to have terminations anyway. While it would be hugely controversial at first, I think even the extreme pro-lifers would in time get used to it if the government refused to budge on a decision like this.

      4: Our Natural Resources and Renewable Energy Potential

      I was annoyed to see people protesting over the planned Corrib pipeline. (Are they ongoing?) There may be billions worth of profitable oil and gas off our West coast. The government should ignore these protests and extract the oil /gas that we have. It's not doing any good just sitting there, plus it'll provide local unemployed people with hundreds of jobs. There should also be more investment to look for more fossil fuels.

      As well as making Ireland cleaner and setting an example for other countries, many thousands of jobs could also be created if the government decided to invest in more renewable energy projects as well, mainly in hydroelectricity and wind power. Install a more significant number of charging stations too, and it may encourage more people to purchase electric cars.

      5: The Defence Forces

      While most people will probably argue that the DF are already a huge waste of money as it is, I think the government should enlarge them, especially with regards to the NS and Air Corps. If the many ways of saving money in this country were brought about, a bigger DF could certainly be afforded. We're a developed country, we should be able to defend our own airspace and coastline. This is proof that we are not serious about our neutrality. I like Switzerland's system - they have conscription as well as professional military training for all, and those who finish their service can take home their weapons and use them in the event of an invasion. Switzerland is serious about it's neutrality.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


      Educating everybody and aiming towards making people skilled in IT is short sighted. Ireland already has a very high rate of education as a result of millions upon millions being spent on grants, investment into Universities, lecturers etc. Currently the colleges seem to be churning out graduates who leave the country and ply their trade elsewhere. So, what is the Return on Investment?

      Ireland needs to invest in entrepreneurs and seek out the most talented individuals and backing them. We should get away from providing "highly skilled and educated" people to work in multi-nationals that setup in the country and focus on setting up our own multi-nationals that generate Billions a year.

      Privatize some of the colleges, look at cutting grants for degrees in areas which are of little or no benefit to the long term planning for the country. Only hire lecturers with decent Industry experience in their field and a proven expertise, ensure they contribute to their area of work in a meaningful way during their tenure, if they do not, let them go and they hurt more than they help.

      Introduce greater transparency in policy making in the country, make application processes for planning approval, off-licences, lotto license etc. more transparent.

      Cut the dole slightly and cut income tax.

      Improve the hospitals and roads outside of Dublin.

      Invest in mental health care and research ways to reduce the number of those with substance abuse problems. Also invest in Tourism, making tours of all our attractions among the best in the world and complete the coastal road.


    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


      I like these threads, always full of interesting and workable ideas......

      Corporation tax. Reduce to zero % for all companies employing 500 people and over.

      Tax trade union membership as a benefit in kind. Make trade unions collect their own subscriptions as opposed to deducting them from pay.


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    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


      Garzard wrote: »
      For me there's hundreds of ideas. I'll therefore l just list a few of some.

      1: Our Education System

      I'd probably start by fixing our education system. I think introducing an IT Program at secondary school is a brilliant idea since that's what most Irish jobs in the future will be centred around. Plus, they should scrap Irish and Religion out of the system completely - let people spend their own time and money learning Irish outside of school. Both subjects are outdated and a waste of tax payer's money. Make the system similar to Finland's.

      I think the whole process of entry into third-level should be changed too. Instead of it being all about a points race and huge competition that leaves countless students each August devastated, (including myself) entry into a course should depend on interviews or entrance exams. Those who get the highest results will be accepted.

      2: Our Welfare System

      I agree with many that our social welfare system rewards people for being lazy. I remember listening to the Adrian Kennedy Phoneshow a while back discussing this and one fella rang in and claimed that he's been on the dole since the mid-60's! IMO those who are long term unemployed, let's give it 2.5 years should gradually be penalised with welfare cuts which I think would greatly discourage laziness.

      Although I'm not sure how this would be properly implemented, I've always thought making people work for their dole is a great idea as well. Imagine having 400000+ people doing community service or cleaning our streets etc.

      3: Abortion Laws

      I know the abortion discussion has been done to death. While this probably wouldn't improve the country per se, I think abortion in Ireland should be legalised on demand. It's the only way to end the debate and we might as well since thousands women travel abroad to have terminations anyway. While it would be hugely controversial at first, I think even the extreme pro-lifers would in time get used to it if the government refused to budge on a decision like this.

      4: Our Natural Resources and Renewable Energy Potential

      I was annoyed to see people protesting over the planned Corrib pipeline. (Are they ongoing?) There may be billions worth of profitable oil and gas off our West coast. The government should ignore these protests and extract the oil /gas that we have. It's not doing any good just sitting there, plus it'll provide local unemployed people with hundreds of jobs. There should also be more investment to look for more fossil fuels.

      As well as making Ireland cleaner and setting an example for other countries, many thousands of jobs could also be created if the government decided to invest in more renewable energy projects as well, mainly in hydroelectricity and wind power. Install a more significant number of charging stations too, and it may encourage more people to purchase electric cars.

      5: The Defence Forces

      While most people will probably argue that the DF are already a huge waste of money as it is, I think the government should enlarge them, especially with regards to the NS and Air Corps. If the many ways of saving money in this country were brought about, a bigger DF could certainly be afforded. We're a developed country, we should be able to defend our own airspace and coastline. This is proof that we are not serious about our neutrality. I like Switzerland's system - they have conscription as well as professional military training for all, and those who finish their service can take home their weapons and use them in the event of an invasion. Switzerland is serious about it's neutrality.

      1 - I agree with you, except the points about scrapping Irish and Religion. An eduication should not be just about getting into a university, ergho everything surpluss is useless. Leave it as optional, if a student wishes to study them, they sdhould be there. We`re supposed to be providing and education, not a training course.

      2 - The Adrican Kennedy guy was, like a lot callers, a paid actor paid to troll you. Don´t be so niave :D - the system is fine as it is, it`s just not implemented. If someone is on the dole for two or three years, but can prove he`s been activelz jobseeking, he should have be allowed to sign on more than a guy who`s been there for three months and hasn´t lifted a finger.

      3 - Not really relevant, as you pointed out, but fair enough.

      4 - Bit of a NIMBY argument - you can´t just steamroll over peoples´ lives and ban protests and expect them to be greatful because you´re bringing resources to someone else.

      5 - Bit of a pipedream really - I mean, if someone`s invading us, we`re going to be invaded, like it or not. We´re an isalnd with a small scattered population.

      Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


      Okay, mine (seeing as I´ve replied to a few)

      Education
      Bring in a philosophy course. From first class. If we´re going to be giving kids information, we might as well teach them how to think, how to debate, how to argue and how to solve problems using lateral as well as logical methods, so that said information actually has a prupose other than passing an exam.

      Soc Welfare
      As I said before, there`s not much wrong, jsut implement what´s there. make sure that those on welfare ARE fulfilling the requirements, i.e. looking for jobs.

      Politics
      Scrap expense limits. Just provide receipts and get them reimbursed, same as everywhere else. Remove diplomatic immunity and have more accountability. Also scrap corporate donations to political parties and limit the amount they can spend in the two months before an election

      Energy
      More natural resources. Wind farms and solar (and before some idiot points out the weather here, solar requires sunlight, not sunshine; and yes, it can be stored and used at night).

      Finances
      Taxation - raise income tax, but drop VAT - gives people more of control over how much tax they are paying. I know there´s a tricky bit here in making sure that companies don´t slyly put up the prices by the same amout as VAT drops, see point below

      Govt/Corporation
      There has to be more of a break bewteen governemnt and corporations. Easier said than done, I know, but who are we electing? TDs or CEOs? Corporations don´t provide jobs as much as we like to think they do, consumers provide jobs by consuming. Hence the VAT drop idea. This will make us less dependent on foreign business.

      Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



    • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


      Join the Commonwealth. I know the historical argument against this but it will give us a biennial opportunity to develop relations with Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We are closer to Sydney than Stockholm.
      Really quite pointless. We already have an established relationship with the UK. There is not much further scope for increased trade with the rest of the Commonwealth given that we operate within the EU trading bloc.

      Unless you propose leaving the EU in order to forge closer links with those international heavyweights, Vanuatu, St. Kitts & Nevis and Nauru. Cutting off our noses to spite ourselves. However I suppose it would give our poor overworked politicians further reason for foreign travel.


    • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Everly Plain Giraffe


      I've never been able to wrap my head around this whole party whip thing, it's absolutely contemptible in a democratic society.


    • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


      Jimoslimos wrote: »
      Really quite pointless. We already have an established relationship with the UK. There is not much further scope for increased trade with the rest of the Commonwealth given that we operate within the EU trading bloc.

      Unless you propose leaving the EU in order to forge closer links with those international heavyweights, Vanuatu, St. Kitts & Nevis and Nauru. Cutting off our noses to spite ourselves. However I suppose it would give our poor overworked politicians further reason for foreign travel.

      I didn't propose leaving the EU. If being a member of the EU trading bloc is a barrier to trade with other countries then that is cutting off our nose to spite ourselves.
      Although the Commonwealth does not have a common market, research by the Royal Commonwealth Society has shown that trade with another Commonwealth member is up to 50% more than with a non-member on average. There is a significant movement in the United Kingdom to increase trade in the Commonwealth, with some suggesting a Commonwealth Union as an alternative to its membership in the European Union.


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