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Wheres our Independence Day ??

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  • #32
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Because we are run by weak west brits who dont want to offend the Unionists even though they despise us..

    I think you pretty much summarize why people do not want to be seen as flag waving patriots.


  • #33
    It BeeMee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭It BeeMee


    humanji wrote: »
    And what exactly do you think is going to happen if we had an Independence Day?

    Michael D will fire missiles at a flying saucer from the Garda helicopter?


  • #34
    Rainblow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭Rainblow


    banbatoyota wrote: »
    19th Jan - First Dáil met and War of Independence began

    4th July - Truce with British Army signed

    11th July - Truce with British Army came into effect

    6th Dec - Anglo-Irish Treaty signed


    Take your pick

    But the taboo about celebrating let alone commemorating any of these is indeed nauseating.

    Heaven forbid we Irish celebrate our own heroes

    7th January, 1922 the Dail ratified the Treaty

    6th December 1922 Provisional Government comes to an end. Free State begins.


  • #35
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Caliden wrote: »
    Paddy's Day isn't a celebration of anything other than inebriation.

    It is if you choose to celebrate it in a way that doesn't involve inebriation.

    We bring kids to park, zoo, tayto park, parade, family dinner.

    Watch Irish movies.

    Decorate.

    Drink not needed and its still a celebration.

    And when you're in this world you realise there's a lot more people doing the same.


  • #36
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    humanji wrote: »
    And what exactly do you think is going to happen if we had an Independence Day?


    Troublemakers atroublemaking.


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  • #37
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    KTRIC wrote: »
    Given today is the Day in 1776 that the good auld US of A declared independence from the Brits I thought I'd bring up this old chestnut again !! :rolleyes:

    Two points, why is our independence from Britain such a taboo subject and how come we don't celebrate it ??


    The reality of the process of our independance is something that remains controversial. It is dificult to celebrate a process that culminated in a treaty that started a civil war, saw the country partitioned and ultimatly saw the failure of the dream of 1916.

    1916 is much more rightly celebrated as that was the event that both made independance possible without being sullied by its eventual reality.


  • #38
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    I'd like to take the time to extend my warmest greetings to our Philippine and Rwandan friends who today respectively celebrate 'Republic Day' and 'Liberation Day'.


  • #39
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    December2012 wrote: »
    It is if you choose to celebrate it in a way that doesn't involve inebriation.

    We bring kids to park, zoo, tayto park, parade, family dinner.

    Watch Irish movies.

    Decorate.

    Drink not needed and its still a celebration.

    And when you're in this world you realise there's a lot more people doing the same.

    You need only to look abroad to/visit other countries and see how they celebrate Paddy's day to find out how the day is perceived.

    Good for you that you do something different but you've got a family so I wouldn't expect you to spend the day in the pub.


  • #40
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    I'd imagine we'd have to have independence before worrying about an Independence Day.


  • #41
    December2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Caliden wrote: »
    You need only to look abroad to/visit other countries and see how they celebrate Paddy's day to find out how the day is perceived.

    Good for you that you do something different but you've got a family so I wouldn't expect you to spend the day in the pub.

    Well I don't really care about perceptions, I just do what suits me.

    According to TV, today in America their kitchens will resemble Eddie Rockets and be full of Lidl / Aldi burgers, but I doubt that's reality.


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  • #42
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    It's actually pretty accurate. Lots of high fiving, 'woo-ing' and cheering at explosions later tonight for the fireworks.


  • #43
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Caliden wrote: »
    It's actually pretty accurate. Lots of high fiving, 'woo-ing' and cheering at explosions later tonight for the fireworks.

    Im always amazed at how many of the american stereotypes that you see on TV and take with a pinch of salt turn out to be completely true.
    I've been told by numerous americans that high school in the US really is exactly like what you see in films.
    Jocks and geeks and cheerleaders and bullies and this weird social hierarchy and really intense rivalries.
    Could you be arsed puttin up with all that shit


  • #44
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    bumper234 wrote: »
    But Scotland is not an Island nation:confused:
    Neither are we.


  • #45
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    I guess it's probably because the issues around independence in Ireland are still pretty messy, what with the North and everything, and our independence was a much more drawn out, gradual process than simply fighting and winning a war and then signing a declaration of independence. I do think we should have something to at least commemorate the birth of the Free State or something like that, if independence is still a bit contentious.
    +1,000

    A Free State day would be worth it just to hear the 'RA heads howl. :D


  • #46
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    I'd imagine we'd have to have independence before worrying about an Independence Day.
    We isn't you.


  • #47
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We isn't you.

    And you are certainly not "we" in any sense.


  • #48
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    There is a simple explanation. The people who signed the treaty didn't consider it independance - even now we still have six counties that are not part of the Republic of Ireland.

    I am sure if we ever had a 32-country republic we would then have a Unification Day or something like that.


  • #49
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Nodin wrote: »
    And you are certainly not "we" in any sense.
    If by we you mean those we accept violence in pursuit of a union of Ireland then you're right, I'm not "we".
    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    There is a simple explanation. The people who signed the treaty didn't consider it independance - even now we still have six counties that are not part of the Republic of Ireland.

    I am sure if we ever had a 32-country republic we would then have a Unification Day or something like that.
    Doubt it, don't expect unification to happen overnight even if a referendum is passed. It could take decades of preparation before Northern Ireland is handed over.


  • #50
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    there is a small commemoration the closest Sunday to the 19th of January every year where the WOI started ye can all attend if ye like


  • #51
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    We seemed to be ashamed of our patriots, pathetic isn't it.
    Depends on what you consider patriotic. Frankly the whole bloody 1916 sh*te bores the arse off me. The Americans have 1 day where they have a party and set off fireworks.It's just a fun day for most people over there and I doubt they really give a damn about the politics. This country has a never ending fcuking whinge fest about the 'revolution' and the 'brits'. Time for some people to get a life and move on.


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  • #52
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Depends on what you consider patriotic. Frankly the whole bloody 1916 sh*te bores the arse off me. The Americans have 1 day where they have a party and set off fireworks.It's just a fun day for most people over there and I doubt they really give a damn about the politics. This country has a never ending fcuking whinge fest about the 'revolution' and the 'brits'. Time for some people to get a life and move on.


    You think most Americans don't really give a damm about their Independance from the British? Are you f*****g insane?


  • #53
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Ireland is not now nor will it ever be independent, be it the church, the banks, the IMF,EU,Britain etc or the dynastic politicians that rule us now we have never been independent. Someone is always in control.


  • #54
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    An Coilean wrote: »
    You think most Americans don't really give a damm about their Independance from the British? Are you f*****g insane?
    I think most Americans just enjoy a fun family day today. The vast majority will be more interested in food and fireworks rather than raking over politics and bloodshed. Do you really think the average American regularly thinks about Independence or life before Independence? The answer would be no. They have lives to get on with like most people here do.

    Personally I don't give a monkeys about Northern Ireland. I really don't care about peoples religion, colour, sexual orientation. I don't give a damn if they kill each other or decide to just call it a day and get on with each other in peace. But I'd really be happy if people just stopped going on and on and on about Northern Ireland. Are ye just trying to bore people to death:confused:


  • #55
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Ireland is not now nor will it ever be independent, be it the church, the banks, the IMF,EU,Britain etc or the dynastic politicians that rule us now we have never been independent. Someone is always in control.


    Not really much room there for the concept ofIndependance to have any kind of realistic meaning.


  • #56
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    The Americans have 1 day where they have a party and set off fireworks.It's just a fun day for most people over there and I doubt they really give a damn about the politics.

    I don't think you know what you're talking about.


  • #57
    An Coilean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭An Coilean


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I think most Americans just enjoy a fun family day today. The vast majority will be more interested in food and fireworks rather than raking over politics and bloodshed. Do you really think the average American regularly thinks about Independence or life before Independence? The answer would be no. They have lives to get on with like most people here do.


    You dont see any difference between not obsessivly raking over the events of the past and not giving a damm about their impact on the world we live in today?


  • #58
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Dey tuk er land.


  • #59
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    An Coilean wrote: »
    You dont see any difference between not obsessivly raking over the events of the past and not giving a damm about their impact on the world we live in today?
    Honestly? I am so very bored with having had to listen to so much about Northern Ireland that I actually just zone out when I hear anyone talking about it. That and the God awful northern accent.


  • #60
    Christ the Redeemer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭Christ the Redeemer


    How come I never hear the term "west brit" used in my day to day life but see it often on this site?


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  • #61
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    We isn't you.

    I know what I am.
    And we all know what you are.


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