Lions 2013 Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

subfreq · 02-07-2013 03:41PM

My guess at the Warrenball 10 would be

Hibbard
A Jones
AW Jones
Evans
Lydiate
Faletau
Phillips
North
Roberts
Halfpenny

Other 5

Corbisiaro
BOD
SOB
Bowe
Sexton

pappyodaniel · 02-07-2013 03:42PM

I'm certain Tipuric will be a straight swap for Warburton.

Buer · 02-07-2013 03:43PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Do people realistically think BOD will be dropped?

Crazier things have happened but it would be madness. JD played poorly the other day in attack and defence. He made a couple of glaring errors and the missed tackle for the try was really poor; that was a basic tackle where he was caught slow on his feet in the 13 channel. I've looked at it several times and he simply did not trust the man inside him. The look Bowe gives when AAC scores would kill you dead.

subfreq · 02-07-2013 03:46PM

pappyodaniel wrote: »

I'm certain Tipuric will be a straight swap for Warburton.

Probably right. It makes more sense that they don't replace two of the back three.

Pudsy33 · 02-07-2013 03:54PM

Buer wrote: »

Crazier things have happened but it would be madness. JD played poorly the other day in attack and defence. He made a couple of glaring errors and the missed tackle for the try was really poor; that was a basic tackle where he was caught slow on his feet in the 13 channel. I've looked at it several times and he simply did not trust the man inside him. The look Bowe gives when AAC scores would kill you dead.

Rightwing wrote: »

I wouldn't be overly concerned if he was, a bit like many others, he's offered nothing in attack,

Have to say I agree with Buer here. Davies has been by far and away worse then BOD over the two tests. BOD has been a monster in defence and you can't lay the blame for the poor attacking play at his feet IMO (not Davies either to be fair as he's out of position) No Lions players, bar George North in the first test, has offered anything in attack Rightwing. Defensively Davies has been quite frail at times.

Tbh the way I see the centres

Roberts/Tuilagi and Bod > Roberts/Tuilagi and Davies > Davies and BOD

Rightwing · 02-07-2013 04:04PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Have to say I agree with Buer here. Davies has been by far and away worse then BOD over the two tests. BOD has been a monster in defence and you can't lay the blame for the poor attacking play at his feet IMO (not Davies either to be fair as he's out of position) No Lions players, bar George North in the first test, has offered anything in attack Rightwing. Defensively Davies has been quite frail at times.

Tbh the way I see the centres

Roberts/Tuilagi and Bod > Roberts/Tuilagi and Davies > Davies and BOD

No question about that. I'd have Tuilagi in first, then Roberts/BOD, I don't mind which.

SlickRic · 02-07-2013 04:10PM

BOD could only really be dropped for Davies.

if it happens, it would show just how biased Gatland is towards the Welsh. nobody offered anything in attack in the 2nd Test, and BOD was our best defender among the backs.

Gatland may like his own, but he's not dropping BOD for this one. not a chance.

the 10, IMO, will be, if 10 is what it will be...

Hibbard
AJ
AWJ
Tipuric
Lydiate
Faleteau
Phillips
North
Roberts
Halfpenny

as "cold" as we think Tipuric will be, he's as close to Warburton as there is.

IMO, they're more likely to use SOB as a sub, than they are to drop BOD or Bowe, which are the only other 2 positions where Welsh can come in.

Grimebox · 02-07-2013 04:30PM

Why are people insisting on picking 10 welsh? Did Gatland say he would do that?

clsmooth · 02-07-2013 04:30PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Of course the players can execute the game plan. They crossed the gain line 72% of the time in T1

What was the percentage in T2?

.ak · 02-07-2013 04:31PM

Grimebox wrote: »

Why are people insisting on picking 10 welsh? Did Gatland say he would do that?

Yes, through his boards.ie account (danthefan).

bilston · 02-07-2013 04:52PM

I'd say these will be the ten boyos (mods edit if that phrase is deemed in any way offensive but I don't think it is).

Hibbard will come in at hooker - fair enough
Jones - fair enough
AWJ - fair enough
Lydiate - would go SOB myself but there you go
Tipuric - fair enough IMO
Faletau - fair enough IMO
Phillips - because of the fact it's a massive game I can see why Phillips would get the nod over Murray
Roberts - fair enough
North - fair enough
Halfpenny - fair enough

Corbisiero, Parling, Sexton, O'Driscoll and Bowe being the tokens.

Pudsy33 · 02-07-2013 04:57PM

I bet (hope) there wont be 10 Welsh

Pudsy33 · 02-07-2013 05:00PM

Whiff of Cordite sums up my thought more eloquently then I ever could.

http://whiffofcordite.com/2013/07/01/reductive/

sydthebeat · 02-07-2013 05:06PM

Rightwing wrote: »

No question about that. I'd have Tuilagi in first, then Roberts/BOD, I don't mind which.

???

what do you mean?

doc 12 manu 13?

they havent played together EVER as far as i can make out

sydthebeat · 02-07-2013 05:12PM

oh and on roberts coming is as most people are suggesting... lets be honest, hes been pretty poor ineffectual so far on tour and didnt exactly stand out as one of wales best during the 6N.

personally id prefer the battering ram of tuilagi running up lilos channels all day

Pudsy33 · 02-07-2013 05:12PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

???

what do you mean?

doc 12 manu 13?

they havent played together EVER as far as i can make out

He means he wants Manu and Drico more so then Doc and Drico

sydthebeat · 02-07-2013 05:17PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

He means he wants Manu and Drico more so then Doc and Drico

i read it as hes saying tuilagi first... than either of bod / doc

how does that put BOD into both equations?

if im wrong in the interpretation i apologise..

Pudsy33 · 02-07-2013 05:23PM

He meant his first choice is Tuilagi, then Roberts. So either of them/BOD

Rightwing · 02-07-2013 05:50PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

oh and on roberts coming is as most people are suggesting... lets be honest, hes been pretty poor ineffectual so far on tour and didnt exactly stand out as one of wales best during the 6N.

personally id prefer the battering ram of tuilagi running up lilos channels all day

I'd don't see anything great in Roberts either, it really shows how poor we are in midfield when this guy is seen as vital. I hope to see Tuilagi in the team, also hope to see Gray get his test, Corbo, Murray is playing v well but he has a tendency to blow try scoring chances, so even with my munster hat on, I'd go with Philips.

thomond2006 · 02-07-2013 05:57PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I'd don't see anything great in Roberts either, it really shows how poor we are in midfield when this guy is seen as vital. I hope to see Tuilagi in the team, also hope to see Gray get his test, Corbo, Murray is playing v well but he has a tendency to blow try scoring chances, so even with my munster hat on, I'd go with Philips.

NO FUPPIN' WAY!

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danthefan · 02-07-2013 06:00PM

Le vieux renard wrote: »

Well you nailed it last week DTF so I'll give your post credence. I'll be counting to 10 when the teams announced tomorrow.

This one is pure dodgy though tbh, I haven't much faith in it. Last week was a lot more solid.

Swiwi. · 02-07-2013 06:06PM

danthefan wrote: »

This one is pure dodgy though tbh, I haven't much faith in it. Last week was a lot more solid.

Modesty becomes you Dan.

I have faith.

.ak · 02-07-2013 06:15PM

Thornley's team:

15. Halfpenny
14. Bowe
13. BOD
12. Roberts
11. North
10. Sexton
09. Philips
08. Heaslip
07. SOB
06. Lydiate
05. AWJ
04. Evans
03. Jones
02. Hibbard
01. Corbisero

Bench: Youngs, Mako, Cole, Croft, Tipuric, Murray, Farrell, Cuthbert

Apart from the omission of Parling that'd be my select team as well.

Swiwi. · 02-07-2013 06:16PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I'd don't see anything great in Roberts either, it really shows how poor we are in midfield when this guy is seen as vital. I hope to see Tuilagi in the team, also hope to see Gray get his test, Corbo, Murray is playing v well but he has a tendency to blow try scoring chances, so even with my munster hat on, I'd go with Philips.

You should know by now Rightwing that Gray is anathema. It's sacrilege to utter his name and axiomatic that he is unworthy of his Lions call of duty. What therefore the forum hath decreed, let no man impugn.

BoardsMember · 02-07-2013 06:25PM

Rightwing wrote: »

also hope to see Gray get his test

Is he sitting his driving test or something, surely you cant mean a place on the test team/bench...

irishbucsfan · 02-07-2013 06:37PM

Le vieux renard wrote: »

You should know by now Rightwing that Gray is anathema. It's sacrilege to utter his name and axiomatic that he is unworthy of his Lions call of duty. What therefore the forum hath decreed, let no man impugn.

It's not about the forum decreeing anything, its just about common sense. His performances have been dire. Particularly that Brumbies performance, which must rank among the worst of a Lions lock in the professional era.

Swiwi. · 02-07-2013 06:45PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It's not about the forum decreeing anything, its just about common sense. His performances have been dire. Particularly that Brumbies performance, which must rank among the worst of a Lions lock in the professional era.

I am ambivalent in this matter IBF. But I wished to spare Rightwing a headache from banging his head against a brick wall. You have lead the critique against Gray, and have always elucidated your position. Others have subsequently joined the bandwagon to the point that any rational debate as to the merits or otherwise of Gray seems no longer possible. To diss Gray invites a multitude of "thanks", to mention him in a favourable light is almost viewed now as tantamount to trolling.

[Jackass] · 02-07-2013 06:49PM

I'd say he'll keep O'Brien on the bench for his impact coming into the game late, and also the out and out 7 ability of Tupiric as a direct replacement for the role of Warburton, which is different to the type of role SOB brings to the pitch.

Personally I'd go with O'Brien, perhaps blue / green tinted glasses there, but overall I've a bad feeling about this game. If the Lions lose, they'll have thrown away the last two tours, I would be amazed if they got near NZ in 4 years, and may well be turning into a bit of a joke, having not won a tour in 20+ years.

They REALLY need to win this to return credibility to the Lions as a formidible touring party. The Lions could slip into the realms of Barbarians type regard - an exebition team rather than a serious team.

Rightwing · 02-07-2013 07:10PM

Le vieux renard wrote: »

I am ambivalent in this matter IBF. But I wished to spare Rightwing a headache from banging his head against a brick wall. You have lead the critique against Gray, and have always elucidated your position. Others have subsequently joined the bandwagon to the point that any rational debate as to the merits or otherwise of Gray seems no longer possible. To diss Gray invites a multitude of "thanks", to mention him in a favourable light is almost viewed now as tantamount to trolling.

Thanks, but interestingly, the only place I've seen Gray criticised is here.
Case closed as far as I'm concerned.

Richie Gray (v babas)
He appeared to cope with the conditions better than most and made a number of carries, one which almost led to a try for Hogg. Promising start after injury-disrupted season. 7

4 Richie Gray (v Rebels)

In a straight shoot out for a place on the Test bench with Ian Evans and Gray just edged it with an all-round display. He carried impressively, he won his six lineouts and put in an impressive shift defensive. 8

Grandpa Hassan · 02-07-2013 07:18PM

.ak wrote: »

Thornley's team:

15. Halfpenny
14. Bowe
13. BOD
12. Roberts
11. North
10. Sexton
09. Philips
08. Heaslip
07. SOB
06. Lydiate
05. AWJ
04. Evans
03. Jones
02. Hibbard
01. Corbisero

Bench: Youngs, Mako, Cole, Croft, Tipuric, Murray, Farrell, Cuthbert

Apart from the omission of Parling that'd be my select team as well.

Yeh, that's the 15 I think he'll pick. Predictable as hell. I don't know what I'd do to shake it up, but it saddens me that there is nothing in there that looks inspirational.

If we are to have any chance, execution of the limited gameplan is going to have to be exceptional. I just don't see us scoring a try

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