Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Norwesterner · 29-06-2013 01:08AM

jimgoose wrote: »

I used to think the death penalty was a good idea, until it occurred to me that an even better punishment is forcible removal from society in such a way that the convict is fully aware of it for as long as possible. That is, maximum security solitary, for life. Meaning "life".

Even at a cost of 100'000 euros per year per prisoner for taxpayers?
I'd support it in certain cases.
Abso-feckin-lutely

TheFOB · 29-06-2013 01:08AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Castration doesn't prevent reoffending. It's sadistic and irreversible and amounts to a punishment for life.

No but it reduces the chances of reoffending from 65% to 2.2%. Chemical castration, coupled with long prison sentencing and post prison monitoring (ankle bracelets & registers) will control the problem. It's sick the killer of Jill Meagher benefited from weak sentencing.

https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/4593/80_Or_L_Rev_267.pdf?sequence=1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9139845/Paedophiles-chemically-castrated-in-British-jail.html

Norwesterner · 29-06-2013 01:10AM

Castration is already permissable in the UK and Germany.
Ireland should catch up on the real world.
Many sex offenders actually apply to be chemically castrated in return for early releases and re-integration to the public.
Calling it barbaric is just ignorant and ill-thought out, knee jerk responses.

Norwesterner · 29-06-2013 01:12AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is the very least a sex offender deserves, especially a child abuser. I think their penis and testicles should be surgically removed. It would be fitting punishment.

I'd have no problem with that, but they'd use other items to insatiate their desires.
Chemical castration kills their urges and is more effective.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2013 01:19AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is the very least a sex offender deserves, especially a child abuser. I think their penis and testicles should be surgically removed. It would be fitting punishment.

I honestly hope we never resort to mutilating other humans in the name of justice. Sickening.

Norwesterner · 29-06-2013 01:22AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I honestly hope we never resort to mutilating other humans in the name of justice. Sickening.

Do you object to chemical castration?

TheFOB · 29-06-2013 01:22AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I honestly hope we never resort to mutilating other humans in the name of justice. Sickening.

There is no other way to stop them reoffending. Chemical castration kills the sexual desire they have. It's the only method that has worked.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2013 01:34AM

TheFOB wrote: »

There is no other way to stop them reoffending. Chemical castration kills the sexual desire they have. It's the only method that has worked.

Mutiliation is way beyond what I would consider justice. Anyway that debate is for another thread, this is about reintroduction of capital punishment.

end of the road · 29-06-2013 01:36AM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Ireland should catch up on the real world.

that statement makes no sense

osarusan · 29-06-2013 01:47AM

Never, ever. Not in any circumstances whatsoever.

Cedrus · 29-06-2013 02:10AM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Castration is already permissable in the UK and Germany.
Ireland should catch up on the real world.
Many sex offenders actually apply to be chemically castrated in return for early releases and re-integration to the public.
Calling it barbaric is just ignorant and ill-thought out, knee jerk responses.

Do you have any references to support this (that don't involve redtop newspapers)

Back in the Real, Real World, Ireland has joined ALL of the EU countries in banning capital punishment. Because it cannot be justified.

TheFOB · 29-06-2013 02:26AM

Cedrus wrote: »

Do you have any references to support this (that don't involve redtop newspapers)

Back in the Real, Real World, Ireland has joined ALL of the EU countries in banning capital punishment. Because it cannot be justified.

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The list of nations with existing castration statutes includes Canada,
Argentina, Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden, Moldova, Estonia, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea, among others (“Chemical castration,” 2006; Sinha, 2011; “Germany urged,” 2012), with the Estonian and Moldovan laws being passed within the past six months (“Moldova votes,” 2012; “Estonian parliament,” 2012).

http://wakespace.lib.wfu.edu/bitstream/handle/10339/37658/Vaillancourt_wfu_0248M_10359.pdf

Motopepe · 29-06-2013 10:36AM

What about a death 'penalty points' system? Like the one we use for traffic offenses. Lose twelve points in a year and its the chair. We could amalgamate all offenses into this system. Murder could cost say eleven points and so you wouldn't want to step out of line at all for the rest of the year.

vibe666 · 29-06-2013 10:55AM

whilst I'm not specifically against the death penalty itself, miscarriages of justice are surprisingly common and I am very much against the idea of killing potentially innocent people in the name of justice.

when the justice system can 100% guarantee that only the truly guilty will be found guilty in a court of law then by all means kill all the murderers and kiddie fiddlers, but until then, we'll just have to make do with what we have.

mentalist101 · 29-06-2013 11:00AM

Yes I would for serious offences like Murder, Rape and white collar crime over a certain amount of money and they would not linger for years wasting tax payer funds before they get the Injection. Three years to prove their innocence and they should be put down.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2013 11:52AM

Would those advocating bringing back capital punishment actively support us leaving the EU to do so? Death penalty is illegal under EU law.

DarkJager · 29-06-2013 11:56AM

I'd absolutely support it. We have way too many scrotes in this country with 300+ previous convictions who think they are invincible. Prison sentences are simply viewed as a holiday by them. They might think a bit differently about things if there was a death penalty in place.

Amirani · 29-06-2013 11:57AM

DarkJager wrote: »

I'd absolutely support it. We have way too many scrotes in this country with 300+ previous convictions who think they are invincible. Prison sentences are simply viewed as a holiday by them. They might think a bit differently about things if there was a death penalty in place.

This has been proven not to be the case.

DarkJager · 29-06-2013 11:58AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

This has been proven not to be the case.

Well if it doesn't change their thinking, at least we can dispose of them and not waste tax money keeping them in a comfy prison cell.

Amirani · 29-06-2013 12:00PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Well if it doesn't change their thinking, at least we can dispose of them and not waste tax money keeping them in a comfy prison cell.

It's also been shown that it costs more public money to execute someone than to incarcerate them for the rest of their lives.

DarkJager · 29-06-2013 12:01PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

It's also been shown that it costs more public money to execute someone than to incarcerate them for the rest of their lives.

Electricity costs aren't that high

Son Of A Vidic · 29-06-2013 12:02PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

No.

Because I don't have 100% confidence in the investigative integrity and competence of the Gardaí. I also don't have 100% confidence in our Judiciary. Imposing a death sentence should contain absolutely no margin of error.

7ofBrian · 29-06-2013 12:03PM

I think the death penalty should be reintroduced but as it is an end... Not a punishment, the method of death should be chosen by the family of the victim. And ANYTHING goes.

tallus · 29-06-2013 12:05PM

The one big problem I have with the death penalty, is you cannot take it back if you execute the wrong person.
It's as black and white as that for me.

So my answer is a firm no.

Amirani · 29-06-2013 12:34PM

7ofBrian wrote: »

I think the death penalty should be reintroduced but as it is an end... Not a punishment, the method of death should be chosen by the family of the victim. And ANYTHING goes.

That's a completely ridiculous suggestion that makes you no better than the original perpetrator.

7ofBrian · 29-06-2013 12:37PM

NiallSparky wrote: »

That's a completely ridiculous suggestion that makes you no better than the original perpetrator.

Well if that's the case I should be executed and the method of execution chosen by my victims family.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2013 12:42PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Electricity costs aren't that high

But legal costs are though. Some seriously bloodthirsty people here. I'd say ye would love to live in Texas or China.

stoneill · 29-06-2013 12:44PM

As Gandalf said:
Many that live deserve death.
And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?
Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.

**Vai** · 29-06-2013 12:57PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Well a couple of days ago Texas executed its 500 th prisoner.
Among the 500 put to death by Texas since the state resumed the death penalty in 1982 were three people who were in all probability innocent. Carlos DeLuna was executed in 1989 having been mistaken for another Carlos; Ruben Cantu was sent to the death chamber in 1993 largely on eyewitness testimony from a co-defendant and a shooting survivor, both of whom later recanted; and Cameron Todd Willingham was put to death in 2004 for starting a fire that killed his three children based on forensic evidence that later turned out to be seriously unreliable.
That's only the tip of the iceberg,how would YOU feel if you were totally innocent of a crime and knew you'd be meeting your maker,think about it.

Again, those mistakes were failings in the courts, not the death penalty deciding to take innocent lives.

Hagar the Nice. · 29-06-2013 02:22PM

**Vai** wrote: »

Again, those mistakes were failings in the courts, not the death penalty deciding to take innocent lives.

Correct but at the same time think of that person's relatives and friends,how must they have felt knowing that a life has been taken from them,eh?

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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