Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

Hitchens · 28-06-2013 09:16PM

Candie wrote: »

I wouldn't treat a dog like a human being any more than I'd treat a human being like a dog.

that is not an an answer, ma'am

Amerika · 28-06-2013 09:21PM

Don’t do it! Over here death penalty studies in the US found that the death penalty costs about $2.16 million more per execution more than the a non-death penalty murder case with a life sentence. The better thing to do would be some sort of Devil’s Island type prison penalty for their heinous crimes. Have them do something productive, and not live for very long throughout the process.

28-06-2013 09:21PM

Hitchens wrote: »

that is not an an answer, ma'am

You are asking me to equate human beings with dogs, and I won't because I don't.

end of the road · 28-06-2013 09:53PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I think the death penalty for some crimes is necessary

why? this backward outdated failure was abolished in many countries for a reason

end of the road · 28-06-2013 09:59PM

T-Maxx wrote: »

Nothing else seems to serve as a deterrent for some "people" it seems.

yeah, funny how the death penalty is one of those "nothing elses"

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:02PM

SV wrote: »

When people cross that line and do a monstrous thing they give up their rights to be treated as equals.

exactly, thats why it should never be brought in, if it was, then that would mean multiple people doing a monstrous thing and giving up their rights to be treated as equals, where would it stop

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:11PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Build a super prison like we were supposed to

would be a waste of money and a complete nightmare for those working in it, just look at america who have them, its a shambles of a system IMO.

bumper234 wrote: »

kill a guard = death penalty
Kill a child = death penalty

why those 2? surely if were to bring it back it has to be for taking the life of someone full stop? its more or less grading the importance of peoples lives by status as far as i can see.

bumper234 · 28-06-2013 10:25PM

end of the road wrote: »

would be a waste of money and a complete nightmare for those working in it, just look at america who have them, its a shambles of a system IMO.

why those 2? surely if were to bring it back it has to be for taking the life of someone full stop? its more or less grading the importance of peoples lives by status as far as i can see.

Unlike the prisons we have atm that are real value for money? I say guards because people will think twice before killing one duhhhhh. And children because they cannot defend themselves. I am not advocating one life over another but i do believe that the death penalty shod be bought back for certain crimes.

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:33PM

pheno wrote: »

idiots like the guy who killed a mother and a daughter recently need to die.
People who commit these kind of crimes must either never see freedom or die. Death preferably.

doesn't make sense, if it was wrong for this person to kill that mother and daughter why is it suddenly right to kill him when the law says what he did is wrong? stupid logic, either its wrong to kill or it isn't

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:44PM

TheFOB wrote: »

I don't give a **** if it's less of a deterrent

well you should, no point in having punishments that are proovin to be a definite waste of time

TheFOB wrote: »

or how much it costs.

well i and many others do, i don't want to see tax money wasted on a backward out of date failure that is as pointless as pointless as can be, keeping them in prison is cheeper so thats whats happening

TheFOB wrote: »

If the victim or victims family request the death penalty then march off to the gallows.

and then we can send them the bill and make them pay all the costs including trial investigation and so on, thankfully however they don't get a say, and nor should they ever get a say

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:49PM

pheno wrote: »

Why should a person who has killed someones family member walk this earth?

put them in prison for life and they won't be

pheno wrote: »

How is that fair.

life isn't fair, get used to it

pheno wrote: »

They should DIE.

well i'm afraid their not going to until such time as they do

Bertser · 28-06-2013 10:53PM

In some cases yes, it really depends on whether you'd want someone like Anders Breivik to spend life in prison at a cost to the taxpayer, or for him to be dead.

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:55PM

Me_Grapes wrote: »

**** me there are a lot of thug huggers out there.

huh? you see coming out with that crap just makes most people not want to listen to what you have got to say

Cedrus · 28-06-2013 10:56PM

NO

"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends" Gandalf

end of the road · 28-06-2013 10:59PM

Hitchens wrote: »

when we had the death penalty here - and carried it through - there were very few murders committed

more down to the fact we were once a religious country rather then the death penalty, + we had guards in every little village in the country

end of the road · 28-06-2013 11:02PM

crazygeryy wrote: »

by the way that quote was from 1868 what the hell did dostoevsky know about all the maniacs that are running around today. **** all.

i'l think you'l find their were rather a lot of maniacs running around back then.

delaad · 28-06-2013 11:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'l think you'l find their were rather a lot of maniacs running around back then.

The Nihilists, for example.

end of the road · 28-06-2013 11:17PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I say guards because people will think twice before killing one duhhhhh.

i'm afraid that isn't true, they won't think twice at all as if their the type to kill a guard they will do it whatever the punishment

bumper234 wrote: »

I am not advocating one life over another

but by having it for killing guards and children you are unintentionally doing so.

RealExpert · 28-06-2013 11:21PM

I read somewhere lately that to put a criminal to death costs a fortune....I dont see how (maybe the legal side of it) surely strapping them to a bed and administering a lethal injection cant be as costly as locking them up for life.
So yes I would but only if the money spared went straight into health care and education......

namloc1980 · 28-06-2013 11:38PM

RealExpert wrote: »

I read somewhere lately that to put a criminal to death costs a fortune....I dont see how (maybe the legal side of it) surely strapping them to a bed and administering a lethal injection cant be as costly as locking them up for life.
So yes I would but only if the money spared went straight into health care and education......

It's the legal side and appeals. If you are going to kill someone there has to be a very robust and hence very expensive legal framework.

And your rationale for executing people is that it would be a good idea if any money saved went to schools and hospitals.....bloody hell!

Hitchens · 28-06-2013 11:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

more down to the fact we were once a religious country rather then the death penalty, + we had guards in every little village in the country

so it was a religous country when it came to refraining from murdering but not when it came to abusing orphans and Magdalene Laundry inmates?

Christy42 · 28-06-2013 11:46PM

What are the benefits of the death penalty?

It doesn't seem to offer massive savings. Killing a child murderer leaves you with one dead child murderer and one dead child so hardly a fix. All the calls of "They deserve it." are silly. It doesn't solve any issues, the countries with the lowest levels of re-offenders have prisons nicer than my apartment. I'm not suggesting we copy them exactly as there are other issues involved. The calls for revenge are honestly a little scary, it just seems like these (from posts I have read) people are too bloodthirsty and emotional to make a rational decision. I thought it was very important in Norway that they held to their justice system and didn't reintroduce the death penalty after the horrific killings there a year? ago. I just don't see what killing people solves and with out any benefit killing people should be a last resort. State legalised killing just seems wrong unless absolutely necessary.

As for castration, what about if a woman rapes someone. Or rape that was just about dominance. They can still re-offend and you have just tortured someone for no good reason. The reason these people still have rights is that we are better then them and we show that by showing them the decency they didn't show to their victims. I never saw the argument in they did first so we can do it to them. That just means we are as bad as them.

RealExpert · 28-06-2013 11:48PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's the legal side and appeals. If you are going to kill someone there has to be a very robust and hence very expensive legal framework.

And your rationale for executing people is that it would be a good idea if any money saved went to schools and hospitals.....bloody hell!

Well I was going to put some towards the filling of the potholes cos the roads are terrible as well but I changed my mind!

namloc1980 · 28-06-2013 11:53PM

RealExpert wrote: »

Well I was going to put some towards the filling of the potholes cos the roads are terrible as well but I changed my mind!

Ah cool, that's alright so.

TheFOB · 29-06-2013 12:01AM

Christy42 wrote: »

What are the benefits of the death penalty?

It doesn't seem to offer massive savings. Killing a child murderer leaves you with one dead child murderer and one dead child so hardly a fix. All the calls of "They deserve it." are silly. It doesn't solve any issues, the countries with the lowest levels of re-offenders have prisons nicer than my apartment. I'm not suggesting we copy them exactly as there are other issues involved. The calls for revenge are honestly a little scary, it just seems like these (from posts I have read) people are too bloodthirsty and emotional to make a rational decision. I thought it was very important in Norway that they held to their justice system and didn't reintroduce the death penalty after the horrific killings there a year? ago. I just don't see what killing people solves and with out any benefit killing people should be a last resort. State legalised killing just seems wrong unless absolutely necessary.

As for castration, what about if a woman rapes someone. Or rape that was just about dominance. They can still re-offend and you have just tortured someone for no good reason. The reason these people still have rights is that we are better then them and we show that by showing them the decency they didn't show to their victims. I never saw the argument in they did first so we can do it to them. That just means we are as bad as them.

You can't reoffend if you're dead. Look at Anders Breivik cell, the Norweign Killer, it's a disgusting insult to the victims.

As for sex offenders:

Minimum Sentences > 15 years
Castration
Public Sex Offenders Register
Ankle tagged for life after prison

Wattle · 29-06-2013 12:21AM

I really don't think it's a deterrent for crimes like murder or rape. With murder people either get carried away in the heat of the moment due to jealousy or anger or they could be psychologically sick as with rapists, serial killers or paedophiles. I think people like this are going to offend even if the death penalty was re-introduced.

jigglypuffstuff · 29-06-2013 12:30AM

Ive stated this before in a debate and ill state it again, its the only opinion ive had on the death penalty. Some will see my point others wont i just think its worth adding

If tomorrow the country were asked to vote on the reintroduction or total abolishment of the death penalty. The people who were to vote yes on the reintroduction of the death penalty would be conciously playing a direct part in the killing of many people which would only increase. That would (or should at least) in their own eyes make them just as subject to the death pentalty as the each and every person who died as a result of it.

namloc1980 · 29-06-2013 12:30AM

TheFOB wrote: »

As for sex offenders:
Minimum Sentences > 15 years

Castration

Public Sex Offenders Register

Ankle tagged for life after prison

Castration doesn't prevent reoffending. It's sadistic and irreversible and amounts to a punishment for life.

Cedrus · 29-06-2013 01:04AM

pone2012 wrote: »

Ive stated this before in a debate and ill state it again, its the only opinion ive had on the death penalty. Some will see my point others wont i just think its worth adding

If tomorrow the country were asked to vote on the reintroduction or total abolishment of the death penalty. The people who were to vote yes on the reintroduction of the death penalty would be conciously playing a direct part in the killing of many people which would only increase. That would (or should at least) in their own eyes make them just as subject to the death pentalty as the each and every person who died as a result of it.

I can still remember a comment from the army officer who was tasked with assembling the volunteer firing squad for the last man to be sentenced to death in Ireland (iirc 1980s, republican murder of a Guard) He said about the volunteers (and I paraphrase from memory) "I'd rather put these mad ****ers up against the wall, they're more dangerous than he'll ever be". The sentence was later commuted to life.

Jimmy Garlic · 29-06-2013 01:06AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Castration doesn't prevent reoffending. It's sadistic and irreversible and amounts to a punishment for life.

It is the very least a sex offender deserves, especially a child abuser. I think their penis and testicles should be surgically removed. It would be fitting punishment.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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