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EU Trying to Regulate E-cigs as Medical Devices

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  • #2
    Mocha Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Mocha Joe


    Cigarette companies are rich and are kicking up a bit of a fuss therefore this.


  • #3
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.


  • #4
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.

    Sigh.


  • #5
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    http://www.thejournal.ie/reilly-electronic-cigarettes-ireland-957646-Jun2013/
    “I am not convinced of [their] safety,” Reilly told the media earlier today. “I don’t like the idea that they are being promoted, particularly on flights. I don’t like that.”

    He still likes burgers though


  • #6
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I tend to agree. They're an inhaler that dispenses a potent addictive drug and we don't know what the side effects are.


    You're really not evolved to consume anything through your lungs apart from fresh air.


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  • #7
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Mocha Joe wrote: »
    Cigarette companies are rich and are kicking up a bit of a fuss therefore this.

    Thats' another myth, Cigarettes companies are all big players in the eCigs push.


  • #8
    Mocha Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Mocha Joe


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.

    Uh-oh. :rolleyes:


  • #9
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    There are three major stakeholders who stand to lose out from E-Cigs becoming poplar.

    Governments, think of all that lost taxes
    Pharma, people switching to E-Cigs means less sales for their own quitting paraphernalia
    Tobacco, less people buying their daily pack means less sales for themselves

    I suppose it is to be expected as they get more popular


  • #10
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Thats' another myth, Cigarettes companies are all big players in the eCigs push.

    Any evidence to back your myth?


  • #11
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    Mocha Joe wrote: »
    Cigarette companies are rich and are kicking up a bit of a fuss therefore this.

    I think this is the work of large pharma companies. They own all the patch,gum,sprays etc. E-cigs work, and its wiping out there profits.

    I expect to see them in chemists only, and probably sold for 50-60euro each.


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  • #12
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I don't like the fact that some of them produce clouds of vapour. I'd a big row with a guy who was blowing this stuff all over me on a bus.


    I wouldn't care of he were injecting nicotine as long as it doesn't contaminate my breathing air!


  • #13
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.

    Actually, heroin is safer than crack if you get pharma grade gear. I take it you don't think addicts should get methadone?

    God does know what is in them, and so do you, as you can mix your own. Nicotine & Glycerol either synthetic or vegetable - and a food grade flavouring.

    Here's the comparison of chemicals.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85192033&postcount=42
    Mocha Joe wrote: »
    Cigarette companies are rich and are kicking up a bit of a fuss therefore this.

    Johnson & Johnson surely (nicorette)


  • #14
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I tend to agree. They're an inhaler that dispenses a potent addictive drug and we don't know what the side effects are.


    You're really not evolved to consume anything through your lungs apart from fresh air.


    The effects of nicotine are widely known and easily available. Its similar to caffeine.


  • #15
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I don't like the fact that some of them produce clouds of vapour. I'd a big row with a guy who was blowing this stuff all over me on a bus.


    Better avoid boiling kettles and pots then.


  • #16
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I don't like the fact that some of them produce clouds of vapour. I'd a big row with a guy who was blowing this stuff all over me on a bus.

    Yeah. Water. Terrible stuff.


  • #17
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    I don't like the fact that some of them produce clouds of vapour. I'd a big row with a guy who was blowing this stuff all over me on a bus.

    I agree,I "vape" myself but some people can be quite ignorant when they do it in public places.Although the vapour itself is harmless to surrounding people,its just courtesy not to blow all over the place.


  • #18
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Anyone wrote: »
    The effects of nicotine are widely known and easily available. Its similar to caffeine.


    That's not my point. you don't vaporise and inhale coffee.


  • #19
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    Any evidence to back your myth?

    Sigh, where would you like me to start, Would one of the biggest players in the world convince you're been had for a second time http://www.reynoldsamerican.com/
    eCigs are not a cottage industry by any means, people who use ecigs are psychotic if they think there off smokes just because it's an eCig, there still addicted to nicotine.


  • #20
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.

    Wow. What utter nonsense.


  • #21
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,730 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/janice-atkinson/safer-alternative-to-cigarettes-banned-by-eu_b_2827043.html

    A proported safer alternative to smoking, yet the EU wants to place them under Governments' control through medical approvals.

    I oppose such a move, does AH agree?

    you oppose government/EU regulation of possibly harmful merchandise?. They are just doing their job, watching out for us.


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  • #22
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Safer alternative my arse, there un-regulated, god only knows what people are smoking. They are cigarettes and should be banned, all were doing is getting people off one drug and on to another.
    Saying it's safer or better than people smoking is nonsense, it's akin to saying take up herion its' not as bad as crack.

    no its not , stop posting rubbish - and as for i dont know what i am smoking ? i know i AM NOT smoking the 3000 plus lethal chemicals that are in cigarettes

    E cigs got me off the cigs , as it has loads of my mates

    you are posting crap


  • #23
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I agree,I "vape" myself but some people can be quite ignorant when they do it in public places.Although the vapour itself is harmless to surrounding people,its just courtesy not to blow all over the place.

    Would you prefer cigarette smoke?

    There are bus routes I could recommend.


  • #24
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    That's not my point. you don't vaporise and inhale coffee.

    I do. Nice coffee flavoured ejuice. You should read up and educate yourself a bit whats actually in ejuice. ITS NOT SMOKE!!!!!!!!!!


  • #25
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Anyone wrote: »
    Better avoid boiling kettles and pots then.

    And breath/air.


  • #26
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    I agree,I "vape" myself but some people can be quite ignorant when they do it in public places.Although the vapour itself is harmless to surrounding people,its just courtesy not to blow all over the place.


    proof of that harmless nature? I'm not keen on any unusual vapours being wafted in a confined space I have to breath air from!


  • #27
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Aren't Cigarette companies getting heavily into the whole E-Cig business? I can see it being a dream product for them - you still have all the addictive qualities of nicotine without the health-damaging, cancer causing aspects.

    E-Cigs are here to stay but they're going to become a bigger business and are going to be taxed soon enough too.


  • #28
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    MadsL wrote: »
    Would you prefer cigarette smoke?

    There are bus routes I could recommend.

    Of course not,as I said I vape.Just because it legal to use ecigs indoors doesn't mean we should blow it into other peoples space.


  • #29
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Sigh, where would you like me to start, Would one of the biggest players in the world convince you're been had for a second time http://www.reynoldsamerican.com/
    eCigs are not a cottage industry by any means, people who use ecigs are psychotic if they think there off smokes just because it's an eCig, there still addicted to nicotine.

    So a cigarette company bring out an electronic cigarette and all of a sudden the hundreds of other competitors already in the market are under their control?


  • #30
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    MadsL wrote: »
    Actually, heroin is safer than crack if you get pharma grade gear. I take it you don't think addicts should get methadone?

    There saying now pot can get people off heroin and crack, so i'll go wit the latest medical evidence and say give them pot.

    As for making your own, yea it's possible but can you really see smokers going down and doing it themselves i'm sure a few would but the majority just need the nicotine and want it as quick as possible.
    As I said i'm an xsmoker, it's easy to look back and see how mad smokers arguments are, it's not something you can understand until your free from nicotine, which vapers aren't. There still in denial, pretty sad really.


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  • #31
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    proof of that harmless nature? I'm not keen on any unusual vapours being wafted in a confined space I have to breath air from!

    Liquid for producing vapour in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.


    Its safe, you probably consume it in other products


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