JFK flame returning.

fryup · 20-06-2013 02:06PM

Bambi wrote: »

Actually never mind that, She had a picture of God?

yes, de Valera

Zebra3 · 20-06-2013 02:08PM

Won't be any mention in the media of all the prostitutes that JFK screwed, will there? :rolleyes:

Hopefully Clare Daly can call it as it is (again). :cool:

fishy fishy · 20-06-2013 02:10PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

They didn't really, that's like saying Pakistanis control many cities and towns in the UK. They may have had a sizeable influence but they in no way controlled these cities.

It was a big deal at the time because he was the first (and to date the only) Catholic president of the US. At the time there was not a small amount of prejudice from WASPs, fearful that he would somehow deliver the US to Rome rule (seeing any parallels here). He even had to go so far as to stress this whilst campaigning.

So in the context of highly Catholic Ireland at the time, an Irish-American Catholic president was a big deal, in the same way that Obama is to many African-Americans and even Africans, especially Kenyans.

oh, isn't Obama Irish though - did we not find his ancestry to be Oirish.

mike65 · 20-06-2013 02:10PM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

they're making quite a big deal about him in germany this week, with it being 50 years since his visit there, hence obama giving a speech at the brandenburgh gate yesterday. it's not just ireland.

The "Ich! I've been in Bernie Inner" speech was much more important, the City had effectively been annexed from the world in 1961 and his speech let the Soviets know the USA was in solidarity with 2 million isolated people.

Duggys Housemate · 20-06-2013 02:13PM

AH: for when you want to live virtually in a bar full of whining losers.

Duggys Housemate · 20-06-2013 02:14PM

fryup wrote: »

yep, and if anything old Joe Kennedy tried to play down the kennedy's irishness during the election as the boston irish at the time had a reputation of being racist

Yeah I am sure that really would have destroyed the Southern White vote. All of white America - but in particular Anglo America - was racist at the time.

They played down his catholicism. And he attracted votes from blacks for the first time from the Republicans.

Aglomerado · 20-06-2013 02:15PM

mike65 wrote: »

50 years ago Ireland was priest ridden and you couldn't get a legal abortion.

Or a rubber Johnny. On the plus side, it was a world without Tubridy.

Duggys Housemate · 20-06-2013 02:17PM

Kennedy was a great president, and probably avoided a world war. I bet that most of the presidents in the 20th century would have gone to war - to WWIII - over Cuba; think Bush, Reagan etc.

Rasheed · 20-06-2013 02:23PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I bloody hate the Kennedys. My great granny had three pictures on the wall, the Queen Of England, God, and JFK.

Hard pushed to know which one is worse.

Mam was telling me that around the time he came to Ireland, the Irish independent printed a large colour photo of him and Jackie. She remembers as a child that a lot of houses framed it. And sure everyone had a picture of God.
The Queen is an unusual one though. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many with the her hanging on the wall.

TheSB · 20-06-2013 02:31PM

Rasheed wrote: »

Mam was telling me that around the time he came to Ireland, the Irish independent printed a large colour photo of him and Jackie. She remembers as a child that a lot of houses framed it. And sure everyone had a picture of God.
The Queen is an unusual one though. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many with the her hanging on the wall.

I doubt you'd invite any of your neighbours around for tea with a picture of the Queen on the wall.

fishy fishy · 20-06-2013 02:35PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Kennedy was a great president, and probably avoided a world war. I bet that most of the presidents in the 20th century would have gone to war - to WWIII - over Cuba; think Bush, Reagan etc.

funniest post of the thread here

dan1895 · 20-06-2013 02:40PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Kennedy was a great president, and probably avoided a world war. I bet that most of the presidents in the 20th century would have gone to war - to WWIII - over Cuba; think Bush, Reagan etc.

He tried to invade Cuba but sent ill-prepared exiles who got slaughtered at the Bay of Pigs. He was a horrible c***.

Squiggle · 20-06-2013 02:43PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How much did this charade cost?

A fraction of what American tourists will spend here visiting the eternal flame at the Dunbrody ship in New Ross. The Kennedy homestead is down there too as is the JFK arboritum. I couldn't care less what Irish people think of JFK but to many Americans the Kennedys are their Royal family. I want American tourists over here spending money and this effort will help in that cause imo.

saggycaggy · 20-06-2013 02:47PM

Hondo75 wrote: »

A splendid piece of Paddywackery!
How did it get through homeland security,and was it stored in the overhead locker?:D

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kennedy-flame-arrives-in-dublin-29360150.html

My husband was on the that flight in from New York this morning. He was sitting in business class by the window and an air hostess asked him to move to the aisle seat for JFK!! He sat next to the flame the whole flight home.

Celly Smunt · 20-06-2013 02:52PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Is the tax payer paying for all of these visits?

This tax payer lad must be getting pissed off with everybody commenting on his finances.

Duggys Housemate · 20-06-2013 02:54PM

dan1895 wrote: »

He tried to invade Cuba but sent ill-prepared exiles who got slaughtered at the Bay of Pigs. He was a horrible c***.

American presidents were never going to be pacifists during the Cold War , particularly the start of it - the other side was occupying most of Europe after all.

The Cuban crisis could easily have led to world war and probably would have were the American president someone else, certainly the pentagon was gung ho.

gobnaitolunacy · 20-06-2013 02:56PM

saggycaggy wrote: »

My husband was on the that flight in from New York this morning. He was sitting in business class by the window and an air hostess asked him to move to the aisle seat for JFK!! He sat next to the flame the whole flight home.

It's not JFK, just a pair of miner's lamps. Sheesh.

Duggys Housemate · 20-06-2013 03:06PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Won't be any mention in the media of all the prostitutes that JFK screwed, wil there? :rolleyes:

Hopefully Clare Daly can call it as it is (again). :cool:

Yeah Kennedy's sex life has never been mentioned in the media. Or novels. Or books. Or dramatisations on stage, TV or the cinema. It's a wonder you even heard about it.

Anyone · 20-06-2013 03:15PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

American presidents were never going to be pacifists during the Cold War , particularly the start of it - the other side was occupying most of Europe after all.

The Cuban crisis could easily have led to world war and probably would have were the American president someone else, certainly the pentagon was gung ho.

Wasn't it as a result of Kennedy's actions(or non-action) during the Cuban crisis that resulted in certain military having the ability to launch nuclear weapons after it was over?

They were seriously pissed that they didnt get to launch missiles at CUBA and USSR, it added a lot of weight to the conspiracy theory surrounding his assassination

FatherTed · 20-06-2013 03:21PM

saggycaggy wrote: »

My husband was on the that flight in from New York this morning. He was sitting in business class by the window and an air hostess asked him to move to the aisle seat for JFK!! He sat next to the flame the whole flight home.

Nice one.

Did the flame have to pay extra for luggage?

Zebra3 · 20-06-2013 03:53PM

Squiggle wrote: »

A fraction of what American tourists will spend here visiting the eternal flame at the Dunbrody ship in New Ross. The Kennedy homestead is down there too as is the JFK arboritum. I couldn't care less what Irish people think of JFK but to many Americans the Kennedys are their Royal family. I want American tourists over here spending money and this effort will help in that cause imo.

Sure if that's the case why not build a poxy museum that promotes the Manifest Destiny and sweeps the genocide of Native Americans carried out by the US under the carpet? :rolleyes:

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Yeah Kennedy's sex life has never been mentioned in the media. Or novels. Or books. Or dramatisations on stage, TV or the cinema. It's a wonder you even heard about it.

It'll be conveniently ignored though won't it when the media continue with their cannonisation of him.

paulbok · 20-06-2013 04:01PM

Why is the flame 'returning'?
When did it emmigrate?

the_monkey · 20-06-2013 04:38PM

So they had it burning on the plane all the way over ?

isn't that hazardous ?
jesus you're not allowed take a bottle of water on a plane and these guy are taking in flaming sticks..

Riddle101 · 20-06-2013 05:13PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I bloody hate the Kennedys. My great granny had three pictures on the wall, the Queen Of England, God, and JFK.

Hard pushed to know which one is worse.

So what does god look like?

stevedublin · 20-06-2013 05:28PM

FatherTed wrote: »

Nice one.

Did the flame have to pay extra for luggage?

Ryanair dont fly to the US.

stevedublin · 20-06-2013 05:30PM

paulbok wrote: »

Why is the flame 'returning'?
When did it emmigrate?

Its returning to celebrate the Gathering 2013.

The Backwards Man · 20-06-2013 05:41PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

So what does god look like?

Charlton Heston

mikom · 20-06-2013 05:46PM

saggycaggy wrote: »

My husband was on the that flight in from New York this morning. He was sitting in business class by the window and an air hostess asked him to move to the aisle seat for JFK!! He sat next to the flame the whole flight home.

Shirley that's not it.....

My name is URL · 20-06-2013 05:53PM

saggycaggy wrote: »

My husband was on the that flight in from New York this morning. He was sitting in business class by the window and an air hostess asked him to move to the aisle seat for JFK!! He sat next to the flame the whole flight home.

hahaha.. you couldn't make that stuff up!

The pomp and ceremony surrounding the whole thing is actually mildly embarrassing.

gramar · 20-06-2013 05:56PM

I wouldn't light me fag off that flame.

JFK flame returning.

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