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19-06-2013 11:13PM

Something I'm noticing re watching season 2 is that Jaqen demands deaths for the red god but should it not be the many faced god that he worships?

ShelTomato · 19-06-2013 11:15PM

Liam O wrote: »

Something I'm noticing re watching season 2 is that Jaqen demands deaths for the red god but should it not be the many faced god that he worships?

IIRC the many faced god is all gods.

PhlegmyMoses · 19-06-2013 11:57PM

If Jon is fully dead after developing his character to the point where he is lord commander of the nights watch and it turns out his mam was some generic peasant, it will be the most pointless storyline in any book I've read. He's significant in some way, remains to be seen how much.

20-06-2013 01:37AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

If Jon is fully dead after developing his character to the point where he is lord commander of the nights watch and it turns out his mam was some generic peasant, it will be the most pointless storyline in any book I've read. He's significant in some way, remains to be seen how much.

Ah nothing will ever be more pointless than Quentyn Martell.

Witcher · 20-06-2013 01:40AM

ShelTomato wrote: »

IIRC the many faced god is all gods.

+1

They were just owed to the red god because they were saved from a fire.

Mr.Prodston · 20-06-2013 01:45AM

Liam O wrote: »

Ah nothing will ever be more pointless than Quentyn Martell.

Ah now, I got a right good laugh out of Quentyn. The "Oh Sh!t" moment when he realised he couldn't tame two dragons in a pit that wanted to burn him :pac: Yes I moonlight as Ramsey Bolton at times

Seriously though we saw first hand the unruliness of the dragons. Showed us what Dorne was up to, brought his two friends which will be helpful to Dany and Ser Barristan. Just because he died doesn't mean his story wasn't worth telling.

hussey · 20-06-2013 02:20AM

I think the part of the TV series were Melisandre was shocked and wanted to know how to bring someone to life, was a key spoiler, as TV usually have to have to be spoon fed.
I think bringing Jon back from Ghost and freeing him of his duties of the nights watch, is what above alluded to.
I think either Jon or Dany will be Azor Ahai, I'd love it to be Jon, but Dany fits more (smoke/salt, the comet at her rebirth).

I'm currently re-reading book 3 and I can't believe some of the info I missed or simply didn't take in, I remember finding Dany/Brianne really boring, but now I am enjoying their journey.

conorhal · 20-06-2013 08:34AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I was going to suggest Hodor but then who is Hodor's father? Obviously a Targaryen!

My God! It all makes sense, Maester Amon must have been sneaking out to Mole Town where Old Nan was 'working'.... making Hodor HEIR TO THE 7 KINGDOMS!

username123 · 20-06-2013 10:29AM

conorhal wrote: »

My God! It all makes sense, Maester Amon must have been sneaking out to Mole Town where Old Nan was 'working'.... making Hodor HEIR TO THE 7 KINGDOMS!

Could Jon warg into Hodor making Jodor the one true king????

20-06-2013 10:32AM

conorhal wrote: »

My God! It all makes sense, Maester Amon must have been sneaking out to Mole Town where Old Nan was 'working'.... making Hodor HEIR TO THE 7 KINGDOMS!

Durrtyyyyy

As they were finishing their act Amon shouted to the top of voice " Hodoooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr "

On a serious note if Jon Snow is dead I'll be raging I just think that part was similarly written to Ayra's part with the axe leaving questions unanswered while comparing it to others like Rob or Ned when the death reads like it is final.

Sleepy · 20-06-2013 10:57AM

Liam O wrote: »

Ah nothing will ever be more pointless than Quentyn Martell.

There is a few theory that Quentyn isn't Dead at all: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61113-did-quentyn-succeed-spoilers/

I'm not sure I buy it but it would explain why so much build-up was used on a character who, if he died as read, was only there to throw a spanner in the works of Doran (or Arianne) raising Dorne for Danaerys.

Gbear · 20-06-2013 12:58PM

Sleepy wrote: »

There is a few theory that Quentyn isn't Dead at all: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61113-did-quentyn-succeed-spoilers/

I'm not sure I buy it but it would explain why so much build-up was used on a character who, if he died as read, was only there to throw a spanner in the works of Doran (or Arianne) raising Dorne for Danaerys.

Alternatively it was a device to release the dragons so that they could defend Meereen while Dany wasn't there.

Either way, it seemed a bit pointless. Not sure they really needed a POV for it at all.

hussey wrote: »

I think either Jon or Dany will be Azor Ahai, I'd love it to be Jon, but Dany fits more (smoke/salt, the comet at her rebirth).

Lightbringer is her dragons, with Drogo being "Nissa Nissa", who she sacrificed to birth them.

I skimmed through book 3 part 2 (bloody great book) so I'd know what's coming next season but kept skimming into Feast. I reckon there's a good bit of feast that they'll be able to just leave out.
Won't need POVs like Damphair and Dorne will probably be able to be condensed quite a bit.

Son0vagun · 20-06-2013 04:07PM

Gbear wrote: »

I skimmed through book 3 part 2 (bloody great book) so I'd know what's coming next season but kept skimming into Feast. I reckon there's a good bit of feast that they'll be able to just leave out.
Won't need POVs like Damphair and Dorne will probably be able to be condensed quite a bit.

Makes you wonder will the TV will wrap up before the books do.

thegreatiam · 20-06-2013 04:10PM

Son0vagun wrote: »

Makes you wonder will the TV will wrap up before the books do.

I am hoping they will have the sense to make 10-12 series, rather than just skip chunks of the book to squeeze it into the 1 book per series format.

on the flip side, i hope they only make 8-10 series rather than extend it purely because its a ratings getter.

Mickeroo · 20-06-2013 04:17PM

I'd be very surprised if Jon turns out to be dead (same with Brienne, wouldn't be as certain of Pod and the other guy though). I really think GRRM's reputation to off characters is exaggerated a lot. In reality the only main character, ie POV character, he's killed (permanently) so far is Ned that I can think of. Obviously not counting the characters who only got the odd random POVs. Quentyn was built up than most I suppose but tbh it wasn't hard to see his death coming.

It's his tendency to kill off characters like Robb, who wasn't really an important character imo but was very well liked. Obviously in the show he seemed more important because there was no such thing as POV characters. The greatest trick GRRM ever pulled was convincing the world he regularly kills off his main characters.

Brian? · 22-06-2013 10:08AM

Liam O wrote: »

Ah nothing will ever be more pointless than Quentyn Martell.

I think the only point of him was to show it took more than being related to Dany to have the ability to control dragons.

ArmaniJeanss · 22-06-2013 01:33PM

GRRM calling Quentyns last pov chapter 'The Dragon Tamer' was darkly funny.

Mickeroo · 22-06-2013 02:42PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

GRRM calling Quentyns last pov chapter 'The Dragon Tamer' was darkly funny.

Hah yeah, I used to have a habbit of flicking ahead in the book to see the names of the chapters and who was getting POV chapters this time around etc. When i saw that one I thought it was going to be Tyrion!

December2012 · 28-06-2013 05:10PM

I was thinking about similarities between Jon and Daenarys, and it occurred to me that both of them lost their mothers who died while these characters were being born.

Tyrions mother also died during his birth, yet his situation is treated differently - he is accused of killing his mother, but neither Jon nor Daenarys have ever referred to their birth as the killing of their mother.

Albeit Jon Snow knows nothing (!) about his birth, but Viserys certainly had the temperament and the opportunity to torment Daenaerys about it, but he doesn't.

I wonder therefore is there something about characters with no mother at all in their lives.

Are there any more such characters? I can't think of any now.

Maybe the three heads of the dragon are Jon, Dany and Tyrion? (There is a theory that Aerys raped Joanna Lannister).

LionelNashe · 07-07-2013 10:06PM

December2012 wrote: »

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Myrcella could also be the young queen to challenge Cersei, and Cersei will be too fixated on Margarey that shell never see it coming!

I always assumed that Danaerys was the younger queen.

December2012 · 07-07-2013 10:07PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

I always assumed that Danaerys was the younger queen.

I think that's the fake out though - Cersei thinks its Margery, so it must be Danaerys so really it's Myrcella.

LionelNashe · 07-07-2013 10:57PM

December2012 wrote: »

I think that's the fake out though - Cersei thinks its Margery, so it must be Danaerys so really it's Myrcella.

But Myrcella can't be the younger, more beautiful queen - she has just had her ear hacked off with a sword.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Selyse has a beard, and Asha (who could in theory become queen of the Iron Islands) has a beaky nose, Stannis's daughter has greyscale. Myrcella has that sword wound to the side of her face. It's like the author is setting us up to think that Margaery is one possibility and Danaerys another, but maybe it is a double bluff and there is yet another character waiting in the wings.

LionelNashe · 07-07-2013 11:47PM

So it seems that he has been fermenting discord in the kingdom so that there will be no united resistance when Dany and the dragons arrive. What if he's actually sowing strife so that there will be no united resistance when the others come for from the north?
"For the realm, and the children" he says to Kevan Lannister at the end of book 5; the children could be the children of the forest? I don't see him being so sentimental about the Targaryen children.

Paddy Cow · 09-07-2013 01:03PM

LionelNashe wrote: »

But Myrcella can't be the younger, more beautiful queen - she has just had her ear hacked off with a sword.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Selyse has a beard, and Asha (who could in theory become queen of the Iron Islands) has a beaky nose, Stannis's daughter has greyscale. Myrcella has that sword wound to the side of her face. It's like the author is setting us up to think that Margaery is one possibility and Danaerys another, but maybe it is a double bluff and there is yet another character waiting in the wings.

It would be poetic justice if that someone turned out to be Sansa :pac:

Michael D Not Higgins · 09-07-2013 01:43PM

Found out the other day that Bran in Welsh means raven

09-07-2013 02:20PM

Has anyone read the notes from the Barristan chapter in WOW? Sounds ****ing epic

Mr.Prodston · 09-07-2013 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anyone read the notes from the Barristan chapter in WOW? Sounds ****ing epic

No the only thing I've read from TWOW was Theon's chapter and that was at the back of ADWD and I'm trying to keep away from them because I'll have half the book read before it even comes out otherwise :pac:

09-07-2013 02:26PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

No the only thing I've read from TWOW was Theon's chapter and that was at the back of ADWD and I'm trying to keep away from them because I'll have half the book read before it even comes out otherwise :pac:

I had a very productive start to my day in work going through that forum. I won't mention anything on here but if anyone wants to read some of that stuff check out Westeros.org

Mr.Prodston · 09-07-2013 02:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I had a very productive start to my day in work going through that forum. I won't mention anything on here but if anyone wants to read some of that stuff check out Westeros.org

Stop tempting me :pac: Good job I'm going to the beach soon or I might sneak over to it!

Reekwind · 09-07-2013 02:40PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

I am hoping they will have the sense to make 10-12 series, rather than just skip chunks of the book to squeeze it into the 1 book per series format

Ye gods, no. AFFC was one of the most boring books that I've ever read, a lengtly and pointless tour of the Riverlands. The idea of stretching that out over 12-24 episodes is painful. Personally I hope that they combine AFFC and ADOD into the one series

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