Is the Orange Order dying out?

Jimmy Garlic · 13-06-2013 02:36PM #1

I was talking to a fella this morning and he said there has been a massive decline in membership of the Orange Order over the last ten or so years. He also said that the same OO members are marching in several towns on the 12th every year to give the illusion of numbers. By the end of the day a lot of them are fit to drop.

Is it on the way out as an organisation?

AngeGal · 13-06-2013 02:37PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I was talking to a fella this morning and he said there has been a massive decline in membership of the Orange Order over the last ten or so years. He also said that the same OO members are marching in several towns on the 12th every year to give the illusion of numbers. By the end of the day a lot of them are fit to drop.

Is it on the way out as an organisation?

Hopefully. The death of an organisation founded upon bigotry is always welcome.

Kylo Ren · 13-06-2013 02:38PM

Who orders oranges anyway? Just get them from the supermarket you lazy so and so.

crazygeryy · 13-06-2013 02:38PM

hopefully

kowloon · 13-06-2013 02:42PM

They need to make their parades fun. Antagonising the nationalists just isn't enough anymore. They need floats, costumes and the handing out of sweets.

y0pperz · 13-06-2013 02:49PM

Alive and well in Cork anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEm-zzw4FmE

Nodin · 13-06-2013 02:50PM

kowloon wrote: »

They need to make their parades fun. Antagonising the nationalists just isn't enough anymore. They need floats, costumes and the handing out of sweets.

...maybe a guy in assless leather chaps and a few dancing girls....

yore · 13-06-2013 02:51PM

Two pints of Guinness and a bottle of ord-ange for the chisler there barman

Fratton Fred · 13-06-2013 02:55PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Hopefully. The death of an organisation founded upon bigotry is always welcome.

I could never understand why a misogynist homophobic organisation like the orange order hated Rome so much, surely they are kindred spirits.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-06-2013 02:56PM

What kind of numbers do the Ancient Order of Hibernians have these days?

everdead.ie · 13-06-2013 03:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I could never understand why a misogynist homophobic organisation like the orange order hated Rome so much, surely they are kindred spirits.

It's funny because they do actually seem very similar all right.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What kind of numbers do the Ancient Order of Hibernians have these days?

I doubt there is many at all if any the IRB is completely gone as well.

Seems to be an older generation that is the base membership of the orange order and they are finding it difficult to attract younger members these days.

Fratton Fred · 13-06-2013 03:09PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What kind of numbers do the Ancient Order of Hibernians have these days?

According to espn, they averaged 10,489 last season.

gobnaitolunacy · 13-06-2013 03:19PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What kind of numbers do the Ancient Order of Hibernians have these days?

They are pretty much a US based organisation now.
You know, the lads that don't like quaaares in the parade.

The OO are declining in numbers, but there's no shortage of their sportswear and hoodie clad 'fleg'-waving brethern.

13-06-2013 03:26PM

Drying out? I didn't realise they had a problem with drink.

Buzz84 · 13-06-2013 03:33PM

It can only be seen as a good thing.

Terry1985 · 13-06-2013 03:36PM

AngeGal wrote: »

Hopefully. The death of an organisation founded upon bigotry is always welcome.

Like the Dublin taxi driving federation?

Arpa · 13-06-2013 04:07PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Like the Dublin taxi driving federation?

Bit random and a bit of a generalisation.

martinedwards · 13-06-2013 04:39PM

in the early 70s we were on Holiday in Mallorca in June and met a lovely family who were OBVIOUSLY RC and from the Nationalst community. names like (I can't remember) Sean & Caoimhe McGuikin or such like from a very nationalist/republical area of Belfast.

For some reason my Dad decided to go to the belfast 12th July parade that year and in the Edenderry field, who did we bump into but the same folks.

because way back then, the orange order weren't seen as the biggoted organisation they are now.

Catholics went for the day out too.

now, the world has changed, and as has been said before, the drunken scabs who walk alongside the parades are the troublemakers.

99% of Orangemen are decent coves who feel strongly enough about thier British heritage to stand up and be counted.

but personally, as a British Ulster Prod, I abhor the whole thing, and deliberately get well offside for the 12th.

we've been on holiday in rance over the 12th for the last 5 years. this year we're a bit cash light, so we'll likely be away in the caravan. if not already in Dublin or Sligo, we will cross the border to get well away from it.

anncoates · 13-06-2013 04:42PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I was talking to a fella this morning and he said there has been a massive decline in membership of the Orange Order over the last ten or so years.

Jaffa source for this?

griffdaddy · 13-06-2013 04:49PM

What about the Orange Organics? They were the best band going

Buzz84 · 13-06-2013 06:05PM

martinedwards wrote: »

in the early 70s we were on Holiday in Mallorca in June and met a lovely family who were OBVIOUSLY RC and from the Nationalst community. names like (I can't remember) Sean & Caoimhe McGuikin or such like from a very nationalist/republical area of Belfast.

For some reason my Dad decided to go to the belfast 12th July parade that year and in the Edenderry field, who did we bump into but the same folks.

because way back then, the orange order weren't seen as the biggoted organisation they are now.

Catholics went for the day out too.

now, the world has changed, and as has been said before, the drunken scabs who walk alongside the parades are the troublemakers.

99% of Orangemen are decent coves who feel strongly enough about thier British heritage to stand up and be counted.

but personally, as a British Ulster Prod, I abhor the whole thing, and deliberately get well offside for the 12th.

we've been on holiday in rance over the 12th for the last 5 years. this year we're a bit cash light, so we'll likely be away in the caravan. if not already in Dublin or Sligo, we will cross the border to get well away from it.

That old jackanory . Yeah Catholics loved the orange order back in the day lol

99% are decent. Lovely misunderstood salt of the earth bigots.

ScumLord · 13-06-2013 06:18PM

If they're popularity is fading maybe they should change their name to the yellow order.

Jimmy Garlic · 13-06-2013 06:24PM

Buzz84 wrote: »

That old jackanory . Yeah Catholics loved the orange order back in the day lol

99% are decent. Lovely misunderstood salt of the earth bigots.

Personally speaking I know a couple that are decent. Just because they are OO members doesn't mean that they are foaming at the mouth bigots. That said, the organisation itself is bigoted and stuck in a time warp.

Nodin · 13-06-2013 06:28PM

martinedwards wrote: »

in the early 70s we were on Holiday in Mallorca in June and met a lovely family who were OBVIOUSLY RC and from the Nationalst community. names like (I can't remember) Sean & Caoimhe McGuikin or such like from a very nationalist/republical area of Belfast.

For some reason my Dad decided to go to the belfast 12th July parade that year and in the Edenderry field, who did we bump into but the same folks.

because way back then, the orange order weren't seen as the biggoted organisation they are now.
.............

On your planet, perhaps.

JD DABA · 13-06-2013 06:39PM

I put it down to the rise in internet usage.

Its so much easier to vent your fury at life at random people .

at wnkers like yourselves for example.

cletus van damme · 13-06-2013 06:48PM

i know I voted for the good Friday agreement under some assumption of peace and respect for both traditions.

Guess that's lost on some of the fools here

I am pie · 13-06-2013 07:00PM

The orange order membership will tail off over the years as less people attend church and less of it's members are in power in NI. Just like the new breed of SF politicians weren't personally involved in IRA activity, we'll see less and less unionist politicians involved in nonsense like Vanguard and the OO, Apprentice Boys etc.

All this 'the catholics used to love it' malarkey doesn't resonate with me. In a protestant area of north Belfast growing up in the 80s, all the catholic families in our fairly mixed neighbourhood and many of the protestant families all left town for the weekend. I certainly don't remember any cross community bonding as the OO and other oiks burnt the Irish flags and shouted No Surrender! ....maybe it was different out in the countryside.

Gosub · 13-06-2013 07:09PM

kowloon wrote: »

They need to make their parades fun. Antagonising the nationalists just isn't enough anymore. They need floats, costumes and the handing out of sweets.

They already have the funny costumes.

martinedwards · 13-06-2013 08:06PM

I am pie wrote: »

growing up in the 80s, .

yup, you're at least 10 years after my anecdote.

this was before all the Ulster says no stuff.....

as to town or country, there were areas of both that have always been inclusive and areas of both that have always been bigoted.

Nodin & Buzz84....

I didn't say ALL RC folk loved it, but there definitely were some who came along for a day out.

Obviously it wasn't on a Sunday so the swings wouldn't have been chained up.

Deedsie · 13-06-2013 08:48PM

What happens if July 12th falls on a Sunday?

Nodin · 13-06-2013 08:51PM

Deedsie wrote: »

What happens if July 12th falls on a Sunday?

No!

Is the Orange Order dying out?

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